Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Del203211]

I prefer our Gardner to their Gardiner

Don’t mind Gardy but gee wizz he lacks anger, grit, any sort of angry facial expression. Loses a one on one and his face stays the same.

 

[Foxman98]

Don’t mind Gardy but gee wizz he lacks anger, grit, any sort of angry facial expression. Loses a one on one and his face stays the same.

I'd rather that then a Jake Lever who gets overly emotional and costs his team the game

 

[Cudi]

I'd be keen on Dev Robertson in a Dunkley trade, if we lose Dunkley I think need to look a young bid bodied mid with goal sense to fill the void.

Collier-Dawkins another I'd look into.

 

[doggiesin08]

I said late first, not early first.
He's basically the same guy who should have gone in the teens with a couple of pre-seasons into him. Late teens for him, yep I stand by it

Sorry, my typo not a misunderstanding. I think your scale is off versus the market and can’t think of any comparable players going for that with the runs on the board he has.

Jordan Clark for example was picked earlier #15, played 32 games in 3 years for Geelong (vs 24 for Robertson) including 11 in his last year and didn’t go for a late first (maybe just if you believe the points system).

 

[TBOW]

Sure but they might not do the deal separately. Bergman might only be available to us as a part of the Dunkley deal.

In that case Dunkley plus our second for Bergman plus 8 seems about right.

 

[LittleG]

In that case Dunkley plus our second for Bergman plus 8 seems about right.

Yes, that is about spot on.

IF he chooses Lion’s it’s harder to know what the trade will look like. Are we adding or are they adding, it will depend on the player.

 

[doggiesin08]

Draft one. There are always a few floating around in WA but we often avoid them as they aren't nice white bread APS kids.

There are definitely not always a few Cyril Rioli types floating around WA. The AFL doesn’t have enough elite small forwards for that math to work.

Also we literally drafted an indigenous kid from WA last year. I appreciate the the longer term view on lack of indigenous involvement at the club but there’s very clearly been a deliberate effort to change that.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Dunkley’s lack of leg speed and foot skills won’t allow him to be any teams’ No. 1 midfielder.

Dunks is one of the few players I've seen improve his pace later after drafted (think it was after coming back from the summer camp in US). He's not that slow these days.

According to some Lions supporters, Dogs asking the question about Gardiner

Geez that'll get confusing

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Dunkley’s lack of leg speed and foot skills won’t allow him to be any teams’ No. 1 midfielder.

Strongly disagree. Only have to look at some of the recent Brownlow medalists to see that’s not true. Wines, Neale, Mitchell…

Dunkley imo is an animal. I think he can easily be the #1 man.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Strongly disagree. Only have to look at some of the recent Brownlow medalists to see that’s not true. Wines, Neale, Mitchell…

Dunkley imo is an animal. I think he can easily be the #1 man.

And this is coming from a Bulldogs supporter resigned to losing him so therefore has less reason to talk him up.

I totally agree, my Dons supporting mate said he didn't understand why they were going so hard for Dunks a couple years back. It's obvious for mine, he is a big bodied midfielder who can hit the scoreboard. Not sure what isn't to love.

Further to your point, Cripps doesn't have great leg speed or foot skills either and yet he is undoubtedly one of the best midfielders in the game. Dunkley can absolutely be the #1 midfielder anywhere that doesn't have Cripps, Bont, Neale, Petracca, Oliver or Touk playing (probably missed one or two here but anyway)

 

[bobs head soup]

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If we did manage to include Bergman in a deal for Dunkley, what are people's expectations for what kind of pick we'd get on top? Ignoring for a second what picks Port actually has (shouldn't be too hard to find another with other deals going on).

Bergman is a 2020 pick 14 who played 23 games in his first year and then finished this year strongly after early injuries.

He is yet to turn 21 and has some great attributes, I'd reckon he's worth at least the 14 he was originally drafted with.

If Dunkley is around a pick 8 uncontacted, I'd reckon Bergman and a 2nd would be fair.

 

[Mofra]

There are definitely not always a few Cyril Rioli types floating around WA. The AFL doesn’t have enough elite small forwards for that math to work.

Also we literally drafted an indigenous kid from WA last year. I appreciate the the longer term view on lack of indigenous involvement at the club but there’s very clearly been a deliberate effort to change that.

We drafted a wingman from WA last year, not a small forward.
I didn't mention race at all so not sure why you'd mention it. It's irrelevant.

I'm talking pure X-factor small forwards, often from remote communities, that Freo & West Coast seem to be able to find (and not always at the pointy end of the draft either). WA seems to be a great breeding ground for them, NT sometimes produce a few too.

Willie Rioli was pick 56, Zac Langdon pick 56, Liam Ryan a pick 26 but was drafted mature age, Isah Winder pick 57, Walters a pick 53, Frederick pick 61

All WA small forwards just on Freo & West Coasts list. I really do believe that later in the draft we should be taking into account needs rather than just 'best available full stop'

 

[Dogs Rule]

Dunkley quoted in the Herald Sun saying he’ll make his decision in the next week. So I don’t think we’ll get a decision any time soon.

The one thing I can’t get my head around is he is obviously very big at marketing himself (story was a fluff piece about taking his girlfriend to the Brownlow), those marketing opportunities are going to be significantly smaller in Brisbane or Adelaide compared to Melbourne.

 

[Mofra]

Bergman is a 2020 pick 14 who played 23 games in his first year and then finished this year strongly after early injuries.

He is yet to turn 21 and has some great attributes, I'd reckon he's worth at least the 14 he was originally drafted with.

If Dunkley is around a pick 8 uncontacted, I'd reckon Bergman and a 2nd would be fair.
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I'd do it too. Bergman plays round 1 next year. If we don't ask about Berman, we should ask about Duursma considering the rumours of a rift between he and Hinkley, he also projects as a potential high quality wingman as he develops.

 

[dergert]

Watching it live, really sealed Gardiner for me

Thought he was just a battler in a good system

So you're for or against him?

 

[VitalDread]

So you're for or against him?

For
My bad, didn't make that clear haha

 

[desipura]

Logue vs Lobb
Logue was sent forward this season as he could not get a game down back, played more of a defensive forward role. At 22yo, he has yet to have a consistent season down back therefore he is still unproven. At 193cms, I am not convinced that he can play on the monster forwards ie Hawkins and Cameron. If you want him to play certain talls and smalls, $650k is way overs.

Lobb was the main focal point up forward and was rewarded with a 35 goal season. With Naughton to take the number one backmen, Lobb would take number 2 which will hopefully allow Marra to get off the leash as the number 3 forward. Paying 500k for a ready to go forward who can pinch hit in the ruck will improve the balance of our team. Darcy is a few years away from being able to kick goals regularly, let him settle down back for a few years which will help his development as a forward long term.

 

[VitalDread]

VIA HS:
The Suns believe he has real upside at only 25, while Jason Johannisen

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7.3

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4.3

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2.0

4star

MG

418.9

5star

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16.3

4star

K

10.0

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6.3

4star

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4.3

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1.9

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283.1

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15.6

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9.2

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was asking for a three-year deal at Gold Coast and at 30 might have played his best football.

The Dogs are understood to have offered Johannisen a two-season contract, so it is now unlikely but not impossible he will still move to the Suns.

 

[dergert]

For
My bad, didn't make that clear haha

Ah yep gotcha haha.

Yeah I think with our improved systems next year he would hopefully fit in.

He still isn't that number 1 we are needing down there but it's better than nothing.

 

[The Inbetweener]

VIA HS:
The Suns believe he has real upside at only 25, while Jason Johannisen was asking for a three-year deal at Gold Coast and at 30 might have played his best football.

The Dogs are understood to have offered Johannisen a two-season contract, so it is now unlikely but not impossible he will still move to the Suns.

I’m happy with that. Much rather keep JJ over a few others. 2 years is fair.

 

[TommyD13]

Would be more than happy to address the midfield at the draft with our top pick or two. Get some elite young mids coming through. Would be absolutely thrilled if we could turn Dunkley into Payne and a good pick.
Perhaps something like:
Dunkley, 37, 65
For Payne, 15

 

[Foxman98]

Would be more than happy to address the midfield at the draft with our top pick or two. Get some elite young mids coming through. Would be absolutely thrilled if we could turn Dunkley into Payne and a good pick.
Perhaps something like:
Dunkley, 37, 65
For Payne, 15

Dunkley is worth Payne and 15 alone this is an awful trade for us

 

[Del203211]

VIA HS:
The Suns believe he has real upside at only 25, while Jason Johannisen was asking for a three-year deal at Gold Coast and at 30 might have played his best football.

The Dogs are understood to have offered Johannisen a two-season contract, so it is now unlikely but not impossible he will still move to the Suns.

That ship has sailed for mine. Time for a fresh look elsewhere JJ. Another defender that we’ve moved out to another position. The same fk*ing around that we did with Richards.

 

[Foxman98]

That ship has sailed for mine. Time for a fresh look elsewhere JJ. Another defender that we’ve moved out to another position. The same fk*ing around that we did with Richards.

JJ has been very good in the defensive small forward role, Kicks goals and shuts down oppos half backs

 

[Tom14]

I'd be keen on Dev Robertson in a Dunkley trade, if we lose Dunkley I think need to look a young bid bodied mid with goal sense to fill the void.

Collier-Dawkins another I'd look into.

Most of our board has been moaning all year about Dev being played out of position rotating through half forward rather than in the guts, sounds like a perfect dogs player to me.