Strategy Jason Horne-Francis: North trade him to Port for massive unders

[Bearded Clam]

When was the last time he had it?

Very true

 

[Velvet George]

Copyright, you need to pay before using my image

 

[GROTTO]

Copyright, you need to pay before using my image

I thought your heritage like Ports, is Elite Crow.

 

[GROTTO]

Imagine the irony of North turning to us now for better picks in the draft for JHF.

 

[Southerntakeover]

It should work like that

Conditional picks

How it works in every other major trading sport.

 

[Bearded Clam]

There is a few caveats to that.

North/Clarko may want him out and not have that atmosphere around their rebuild with Clarko. Then again, will Clarko be there in 2023? Most likely.

I just hope while it looks like a complete lost cause, the Crows should still try an entertain the prospect of getting him, at least place pressure on Port with two 1sts and 2nd. Again the Rankine trade is an issue here, if we give this years 1st, our only realistic chance of two 1sts is if North hold JHF till next year. We then offer our 2023 1st and 2nd and 2024 1st.

Make no mistake our picks will still be better than Port next year and even in 2024. North need to realize this. Then we need to make a big bid for JHF. Sloane and Tex will be off our books too in 2024.

I do hope as you say North hold firm here. The Crows must push Port hard to go all guns in.

In all honesty.. and I have said this from the start (his draft year).. I reacon the lad is massively overrated.. the frothing over the lad in his draft year was just way over the top. I was so happy north said no to our ludicrously over the top offer for pick 1.

And I said all of this at the time.

The crows should forget about JHF and be doing EVERYTHING they can to get Elijah Hollands from the Suns.

Elijah wanted to be a crow too..

Maybe start by somehow trying to grab his younger brother in this years draft..

 

[Velvet George]

I thought your heritage like Ports, is Elite Crow.

No EC was a cover

 

[Amacca 23]

Imagine the irony of North turning to us now for better picks in the draft for JHF.

Would be funny as hell stick it to port and north take our deal

 

[GROTTO]

I wonder with everything that is going on with Clarko, if JHF's manager wanted to release this a couple of weeks back but couldnt?

 

[Bearded Clam]

Imagine the irony of North turning to us now for better picks in the draft for JHF.

We wont have better picks this year.. pick 5 of ours is goooorne..

We will if they wait till next year.. we’ll finish lower than port next year.

North should tell port to **** off and refuse to trade him.. they can tell him next year you either go to the crows or we send you to the PSD and you could end up anywhere including the crows..

That of course is if port dont pony up massively in the next week or so..

 

[Amacca 23]

In all honesty.. and I have said this from the start (his draft year).. I reacon the lad is massively overrated.. the frothing over the lad in his draft year was just way over the top. I was so happy north said no to our ludicrously over the top offer for pick 1.

And I said all of this at the time.

The crows should forget about JHF and be doing EVERYTHING they can to get Elijah Hollands from the Suns.

Elijah wanted to be a crow too..

Maybe start by somehow trying to grab his younger brother in this years draft..

Take his brother this year and spend all the capital to get elijah next off season

 

[Tas]

Imagine the irony of North turning to us now for better picks in the draft for JHF.

Aren't you guys chasing Rankine?

 

[GROTTO]

Aren't you guys chasing Rankine?

 

[GROTTO]

We wont have better picks this year.. pick 5 of ours is goooorne..

We will if they wait till next year.. we’ll finish lower than port next year.

North should tell port to * off and refuse to trade him.. they can tell him next year you either go to the crows or we send you to the PSD and you could end up anywhere including the crows..

That of course is if port dont pony up massively in the next week or so..

As I said if North hold onto him this year, we will be presenting North with better picks in 2023 and also have time for JHF to consider us.

North posters reading this, this is something you can comment on.

 

[Sanders]

Twomey named Port last night.

Hope Twomey is very happy there

 

[Sanders]

It appears Graham was happy to go to PORT ....PORT backed out, when it became apparent JHF was going to agree to come

Bollocks

 

[Geoffa32]

They’ll be trading a contracted player, hell that’s how they got Burton.

Georgiades

My Fake Trade


WCE to split pick 2 into two firsts.

One to Port with Rioli for Georgiades. Port give that pick plus 8 and the Amon pick to North

Other pick to Melbourne for Jackson plus Future first..


North gain picks 8, 2022 F1, 23 lose JHF

WCE gain Georgiades and Jackson lose Rioli pick 2 and F1

Port gain Rioli and JHF..

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[huludicidal]

While I do agree that adding 2-3 more quality mids under the age of 26 is key to our rebuild over the next 12-24 months, I’m not sure the sky is falling in that part of the ground to the degree that some are implying.

For starters, you’ve got to look at the age of the guys we’ve got in there.

In the back half of 2022, our major midfield minutes went to the following players:

Laird (28)
Berry (20)
Keays (25)
Schoenberg (21)
Soligo (19)

In 2023, it’s probably safe to assume that Pedlar (20) and Taylor (19) are the main two that are added to that mix.


Now if we break it down further, we have the following:

Laird - in the top 5 ballgetters in the comp. 2nd highest tackles in the comp. Disposal and decision making sometimes questionable. Hard to argue against him being a great mentor and teacher for the younger guys in how to accumulate.

Berry - best tackler in the comp in 2022 at the age of 20. Ball winning on the improve. Huge body. Can’t be tackled. Kicking needs to improve. Future leader written all over him.

Keays - nobody tries harder. Elite runner both ways. Cannot kick to save his life. Likely a stop gap who will move to a defensive forward role as the likes of Taylor and Pedlar move into the midfield.

Schoenberg - difficult to work out how he’s tracking. Has tricks. Does he want it enough? Went backwards a bit in 2022 but strong chance of a bounce back year in 2023.

Soligo - one of the most impressive debut seasons by a freshly drafted crow that I’ve ever seen. Genuine class. Runs both ways. Redo the 2021 draft and I’m taking him inside the top 12. A real point of difference for us too with his elite foot skills and decision making.

Pedlar - him getting his body right and building his tank is one of the 3 most important things that needs to happen for us this offseason. If he can alternate between the midfield and half forward for us long term, it would be a huge improvement for the team. Big body, and a goal kicker. Appears to be made of glass though, so this is a 50/50 shot at best.

Taylor - looks all class, and along with Soligo and Rachele, we have knocked the 2021 draft out of the park IMO. I’m taking Rachele at 6, Soligo at 12 and Taylor at 18-20 if that draft is redone today. Credit where credit is due for our recruiters there, and I’ve been hugely critical of them over the last few years.


Combine all of that with some rotations that see all 3 of Dawson, Rachele and Rankine have spurts in the middle of the ground (Rankine and Dawson mainly on the outside), and I just don’t think it’s as terrible a group as people are making out - in fact I think there’s some real buzz about it. There’s so much natural improvement there. You look at other sides, and there’s a lot of 29-33 year olds who are well past their best running around in the midfield.

It’s all about adding the right type of players to the above group over the next couple of trade and draft periods, and for me, class, poise and footskills are the 3 footy traits we need to add most in there.

I think we also need to target 1 or 2 22-26 year olds with these traits, rather than 18-19 year olds too. We have enough of those.

Bit of extra height / big bodies wouldn’t go astray either.

We’ve clearly been nibbling at JHF, T Thomas and Hopper over the past 12 months. Hopper was the wrong type for us so that wasn’t a major miss, JHF would have been a great get but clearly the stepdad (Fabian) and best mate (J Burgoyne) links to Port were key which happens, while T Thomas would really fit our needs nicely but looks set to maybe head up to the Suns for some anonymity as he doesn’t seem to be a big fan of the spotlight. There’ll likely be other players available next year that fit in well too - it’s the nature of the industry.

As for Rankine not being a need, again, I disagree completely.

2 of the worst 4 players selected in our side that got thumped by Port in Rd 23 were Rowe and McHenry - I’d defy anyone who disagrees with that statement (you could make an argument that Murphy belongs in this group too but he at least has some AFL attributes such as pace, tackling ability and ability to win clearances). Replacing one of them with Rankine and the other with Rachele in Rd 1 2023 is an instant and massive improvement to the team.

Every AFL list has needs. After the acquisition of Rankine, ours are now as follows:

1) 186cm plus mid with poise and excellent footskills (T Thomas would be nice but likely not gettable for us)

2) key defender with intercept prowess and an attacking side to their game (B Cox would be nice next year but not likely)

3) Ruckman (use a rookie pick)

4) quality big bodied mid who runs both ways and can kick (scour the league for options in the next 12 months via FA or trade)

5) key forward who can chop out in the ruck (Keeler would be nice)

Rankine’s skills are elite, and if there’s one thing that 2021-22 crows lacked, it was elite skills, especially when it comes to decision making entering the forward 50, which will be Rankine’s primary role as he plays predominantly as a high half forward, looking to become our number 1 goal assist player.

Just on goal assists, I’ll end on this stat. As far as per game averages in 2022 go, Rankine was the equal 6th best goal assist player in the AFL with 1.0 per game, behind only Petracca, Ainsworth, Bontempelli, Hawkins and Papley.

Who was our best GA player in 2022 (avg per game) I hear you ask? That would be Wayne Milera

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Wayne Milera

Age

28

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.9

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

265.3

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

282.0

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

182.0

3star

, who was equal 51st. Only shit teams don’t have anyone in the top 50 of this stat. The Cats had 8 of the top 50. Multiple Swans. Multiple Demons. Pies. Mostly very important players. The hopeful continual emergence of guys like Hinge, Murray and Worrell will HOPEFULLY free up Dawson to rise up these ranks in 2023 and beyond too.

Quality of ball delivery inside 50 is definitely in our top 3 weaknesses as a club (relying on Milera is not ideal, and our next best is Tex who is 12-24 months away from retirement), so Rankine is a massive get to address that. I would have had that as number 3 on that above list of needs, and we absolutely tried our guts out to get JHF and Cox to address a couple of the other needs (even though JHF is a pretty horrid kick), so overall I think Reid and co are asking the right questions to get us where we need to be as a playing group.

Is Nicks the right coach? Do our players care enough? Will this all take another 3-4 years because we went too young with the rebuild? All valid questions. Only time will tell. McRae and the Pies have shown that sometimes things can turn around faster than anyone expects though, and they did all of that with a midfield group that most pundits still see as mediocre.

 

[Sanders]

Tim Kelly says hello.

Exactly the same scenario.

Good shout. A reminder for anyone who thinks North don’t have options

Kelly’s price was still very high when fell out of contract

 

[dogs105]

Tim Kelly says hello.

Exactly the same scenario.

Jack Gunston was very homesick, and would only go to Hawthorn. Not unusual at all.

 

[crow2crow]

While I do agree that adding 2-3 more quality mids under the age of 26 is key to our rebuild over the next 12-24 months, I’m not sure the sky is falling in that part of the ground to the degree that some are implying.

For starters, you’ve got to look at the age of the guys we’ve got in there.

In the back half of 2022, our major midfield minutes went to the following players:

Laird (28)
Berry (20)
Keays (25)
Schoenberg (21)
Soligo (19)

In 2023, it’s probably safe to assume that Pedlar (20) and Taylor (19) are the main two that are added to that mix.


Now if we break it down further, we have the following:

Laird - in the top 5 ballgetters in the comp. 2nd highest tackles in the comp. Disposal and decision making sometimes questionable. Hard to argue against him being a great mentor and teacher for the younger guys in how to accumulate.

Berry - best tackler in the comp in 2022 at the age of 20. Ball winning on the improve. Huge body. Can’t be tackled. Kicking needs to improve. Future leader written all over him.

Keays - nobody tries harder. Elite runner both ways. Cannot kick to save his life. Likely a stop gap who will move to a defensive forward role as the likes of Taylor and Pedlar move into the midfield.

Schoenberg - difficult to work out how he’s tracking. Has tricks. Does he want it enough? Went backwards a bit in 2022 but strong chance of a bounce back year in 2023.

Soligo - one of the most impressive debut seasons by a freshly drafted crow that I’ve ever seen. Genuine class. Runs both ways. Redo the 2021 draft and I’m taking him inside the top 12. A real point of difference for us too with his elite foot skills and decision making.

Pedlar - him getting his body right and building his tank is one of the 3 most important things that needs to happen for us this offseason. If he can alternate between the midfield and half forward for us long term, it would be a huge improvement for the team. Big body, and a goal kicker. Appears to be made of glass though, so this is a 50/50 shot at best.

Taylor - looks all class, and along with Soligo and Rachele, we have knocked the 2021 draft out of the park IMO. I’m taking Rachele at 6, Soligo at 12 and Taylor at 18-20 if that draft is redone today. Credit where credit is due for our recruiters there, and I’ve been hugely critical of them over the last few years.


Combine all of that with some rotations that see all 3 of Dawson, Rachele and Rankine have spurts in the middle of the ground (Rankine and Dawson mainly on the outside), and I just don’t think it’s as terrible a group as people are making out - in fact I think there’s some real buzz about it. There’s so much natural improvement there. You look at other sides, and there’s a lot of 29-33 year olds who are well past their best running around in the midfield.

It’s all about adding the right type of players to the above group over the next couple of trade and draft periods, and for me, class, poise and footskills are the 3 footy traits we need to add most in there.

I think we also need to target 1 or 2 22-26 year olds with these traits, rather than 18-19 year olds too. We have enough of those.

Bit of extra height / big bodies wouldn’t go astray either.

We’ve clearly been nibbling at JHF, T Thomas and Hopper over the past 12 months. Hopper was the wrong type for us so that wasn’t a major miss, JHF would have been a great get but clearly the stepdad (Fabian) and best mate (J Burgoyne) links to Port were key which happens, while T Thomas would really fit our needs nicely but looks set to maybe head up to the Suns for some anonymity as he doesn’t seem to be a big fan of the spotlight. There’ll likely be other players available next year that fit in well too - it’s the nature of the industry.

As for Rankine not being a need, again, I disagree completely.

2 of the worst 4 players selected in our side that got thumped by Port in Rd 23 were Rowe and McHenry - I’d defy anyone who disagrees with that statement (you could make an argument that Murphy belongs in this group too but he at least has some AFL attributes such as pace, tackling ability and ability to win clearances). Replacing one of them with Rankine and the other with Rachele in Rd 1 2023 is an instant and massive improvement to the team.

Every AFL list has needs. After the acquisition of Rankine, ours are now as follows:

1) 186cm plus mid with poise and excellent footskills (T Thomas would be nice but likely not gettable for us)

2) key defender with intercept prowess and an attacking side to their game (B Cox would be nice next year but not likely)

3) Ruckman (use a rookie pick)

4) quality big bodied mid who runs both ways and can kick (scour the league for options in the next 12 months via FA or trade)

5) key forward who can chop out in the ruck (Keeler would be nice)

Rankine’s skills are elite, and if there’s one thing that 2021-22 crows lacked, it was elite skills, especially when it comes to decision making entering the forward 50, which will be Rankine’s primary role as he plays predominantly as a high half forward, looking to become our number 1 goal assist player.

Just on goal assists, I’ll end on this stat. As far as per game averages in 2022 go, Rankine was the equal 6th best goal assist player in the AFL with 1.0 per game, behind only Petracca, Ainsworth, Bontempelli, Hawkins and Papley.

Who was our best GA player in 2022 (avg per game) I hear you ask? That would be Wayne Milera, who was equal 51st. Only s**t teams don’t have anyone in the top 50 of this stat. The Cats had 8 of the top 50. Multiple Swans. Multiple Demons. Pies. Mostly very important players. The hopeful continual emergence of guys like Hinge, Murray and Worrell will HOPEFULLY free up Dawson to rise up these ranks in 2023 and beyond too.

Quality of ball delivery inside 50 is definitely in our top 3 weaknesses as a club (relying on Milera is not ideal, and our next best is Tex who is 12-24 months away from retirement), so Rankine is a massive get to address that. I would have had that as number 3 on that above list of needs, and we absolutely tried our guts out to get JHF and Cox to address a couple of the other needs (even though JHF is a pretty horrid kick), so overall I think Reid and co are asking the right questions to get us where we need to be as a playing group.

Is Nicks the right coach? Do our players care enough? Will this all take another 3-4 years because we went too young with the rebuild? All valid questions. Only time will tell. McRae and the Pies have shown that sometimes things can turn around faster than anyone expects though, and they did all of that with a midfield group that most pundits still see as mediocre.

Fantastic analysis congratulations

You right getting rowe mchenry murphy out of the 22 is the highest priority should be easily fixed - rankine, taylor, pedlar

Things I would add
Murray and ROB are the next weakest links - we must do something about that and soon or we arent making finals ever

 

[Sanders]

Lets understand that Rankine may well become a midfielder - McLeod wasn’t either - he was a half back flanker with the occasional spells forward and midfield.

Seriously, obviously some posters weren’t around watching the game in the 90’s.

He was full time mid, and a superstar mid playing under Ayres.

 

[DaKids]

While I do agree that adding 2-3 more quality mids under the age of 26 is key to our rebuild over the next 12-24 months, I’m not sure the sky is falling in that part of the ground to the degree that some are implying.

For starters, you’ve got to look at the age of the guys we’ve got in there.

In the back half of 2022, our major midfield minutes went to the following players:

Laird (28)
Berry (20)
Keays (25)
Schoenberg (21)
Soligo (19)

In 2023, it’s probably safe to assume that Pedlar (20) and Taylor (19) are the main two that are added to that mix.


Now if we break it down further, we have the following:

Laird - in the top 5 ballgetters in the comp. 2nd highest tackles in the comp. Disposal and decision making sometimes questionable. Hard to argue against him being a great mentor and teacher for the younger guys in how to accumulate.

Berry - best tackler in the comp in 2022 at the age of 20. Ball winning on the improve. Huge body. Can’t be tackled. Kicking needs to improve. Future leader written all over him.

Keays - nobody tries harder. Elite runner both ways. Cannot kick to save his life. Likely a stop gap who will move to a defensive forward role as the likes of Taylor and Pedlar move into the midfield.

Schoenberg - difficult to work out how he’s tracking. Has tricks. Does he want it enough? Went backwards a bit in 2022 but strong chance of a bounce back year in 2023.

Soligo - one of the most impressive debut seasons by a freshly drafted crow that I’ve ever seen. Genuine class. Runs both ways. Redo the 2021 draft and I’m taking him inside the top 12. A real point of difference for us too with his elite foot skills and decision making.

Pedlar - him getting his body right and building his tank is one of the 3 most important things that needs to happen for us this offseason. If he can alternate between the midfield and half forward for us long term, it would be a huge improvement for the team. Big body, and a goal kicker. Appears to be made of glass though, so this is a 50/50 shot at best.

Taylor - looks all class, and along with Soligo and Rachele, we have knocked the 2021 draft out of the park IMO. I’m taking Rachele at 6, Soligo at 12 and Taylor at 18-20 if that draft is redone today. Credit where credit is due for our recruiters there, and I’ve been hugely critical of them over the last few years.


Combine all of that with some rotations that see all 3 of Dawson, Rachele and Rankine have spurts in the middle of the ground (Rankine and Dawson mainly on the outside), and I just don’t think it’s as terrible a group as people are making out - in fact I think there’s some real buzz about it. There’s so much natural improvement there. You look at other sides, and there’s a lot of 29-33 year olds who are well past their best running around in the midfield.

It’s all about adding the right type of players to the above group over the next couple of trade and draft periods, and for me, class, poise and footskills are the 3 footy traits we need to add most in there.

I think we also need to target 1 or 2 22-26 year olds with these traits, rather than 18-19 year olds too. We have enough of those.

Bit of extra height / big bodies wouldn’t go astray either.

We’ve clearly been nibbling at JHF, T Thomas and Hopper over the past 12 months. Hopper was the wrong type for us so that wasn’t a major miss, JHF would have been a great get but clearly the stepdad (Fabian) and best mate (J Burgoyne) links to Port were key which happens, while T Thomas would really fit our needs nicely but looks set to maybe head up to the Suns for some anonymity as he doesn’t seem to be a big fan of the spotlight. There’ll likely be other players available next year that fit in well too - it’s the nature of the industry.

As for Rankine not being a need, again, I disagree completely.

2 of the worst 4 players selected in our side that got thumped by Port in Rd 23 were Rowe and McHenry - I’d defy anyone who disagrees with that statement (you could make an argument that Murphy belongs in this group too but he at least has some AFL attributes such as pace, tackling ability and ability to win clearances). Replacing one of them with Rankine and the other with Rachele in Rd 1 2023 is an instant and massive improvement to the team.

Every AFL list has needs. After the acquisition of Rankine, ours are now as follows:

1) 186cm plus mid with poise and excellent footskills (T Thomas would be nice but likely not gettable for us)

2) key defender with intercept prowess and an attacking side to their game (B Cox would be nice next year but not likely)

3) Ruckman (use a rookie pick)

4) quality big bodied mid who runs both ways and can kick (scour the league for options in the next 12 months via FA or trade)

5) key forward who can chop out in the ruck (Keeler would be nice)

Rankine’s skills are elite, and if there’s one thing that 2021-22 crows lacked, it was elite skills, especially when it comes to decision making entering the forward 50, which will be Rankine’s primary role as he plays predominantly as a high half forward, looking to become our number 1 goal assist player.

Just on goal assists, I’ll end on this stat. As far as per game averages in 2022 go, Rankine was the equal 6th best goal assist player in the AFL with 1.0 per game, behind only Petracca, Ainsworth, Bontempelli, Hawkins and Papley.

Who was our best GA player in 2022 (avg per game) I hear you ask? That would be Wayne Milera, who was equal 51st. Only s**t teams don’t have anyone in the top 50 of this stat. The Cats had 8 of the top 50. Multiple Swans. Multiple Demons. Pies. Mostly very important players. The hopeful continual emergence of guys like Hinge, Murray and Worrell will HOPEFULLY free up Dawson to rise up these ranks in 2023 and beyond too.

Quality of ball delivery inside 50 is definitely in our top 3 weaknesses as a club (relying on Milera is not ideal, and our next best is Tex who is 12-24 months away from retirement), so Rankine is a massive get to address that. I would have had that as number 3 on that above list of needs, and we absolutely tried our guts out to get JHF and Cox to address a couple of the other needs (even though JHF is a pretty horrid kick), so overall I think Reid and co are asking the right questions to get us where we need to be as a playing group.

Is Nicks the right coach? Do our players care enough? Will this all take another 3-4 years because we went too young with the rebuild? All valid questions. Only time will tell. McRae and the Pies have shown that sometimes things can turn around faster than anyone expects though, and they did all of that with a midfield group that most pundits still see as mediocre.

Nice to see some one that appreciates that in getting young Rankine the crows are getting absolute star potential. I say potential even though he’s already shown some it as you have said. Just needs to be more consistent but it’s going in right direction to be a star of the competition

 

[Sanders]

Look mate...
I'm not sure if you're a 100% troll but whether you are or not, you post exactly as a Port Adelaide troll would.

Missing out on JHF will take a moment for Crows fans to process and some will be genuinely shirty for now.

If you have so much admiration for Port and their "decade of dominance" excellence, and so much spite and disregard for the Adelaide Crows and our players, perhaps you might be more comfortable changing your official allegiance.

But, returning to where I began, I think you're just a immature troll.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Ok. If you can provide the link.

Do your own scrolling.