Review Bassat completes men's football program review

[George]

If you would like to read the summary of the review (and haven't received the e-mail) you can do so here;

St.Kilda Football Club - 2022 Football Department Review

 

[Mowman]

I hope you’re wrong and I’m sure you do too. Maybe the guy just isn’t cut out for being in charge of football as opposed to being in charge of a football club.

Let’s hope he does a better job as CEO then what he did screwing our footy department up and it doesn’t take the board 4 or 5 years to realise he is no good

 

[Mowman]

Roughead was there the day Paton broke his leg lol

Yes yes he was

 

[t_94]

cop-out not to sell that game, man up and admit the players shat the bed like they always have, pocket the 750k pay off the debt regardless, so tired of seeing this club start something, * it up, then backtrack into nothingness.

when we are debt free, when we have a healthy ledger, when we are not the most funded club on in VIC, then don't sell it.........

if the AFL can schedule the same teams to play the same venues the same weekend every year, then maybe we get them to schedule the game outside of the notoriously wet season.

I know most will disagree

St.Kilda FOOTBALL Club

 

[stavro#4]

Nah said ages ago Ratts wasn't the the right person and footy department and program was no good

Its ok you will see I'm right about Leathlean eventually

For what it’s worth.

The backing and extension of Ratten occurred because of Finnis.

Lethlean was apparently against it. Lost out as he wasn’t CEO.

His(Lethers) apparent opinion, has been that the football department has under performed. List capable of September.

Now the crux of the issue here is that Bassat and co probably have trusted too much as opposed to led and that means challenging Lethlean on outcomes here.

But ultimately if your 2 head honchos of the football clubs performance in your CEO and head of football program are disagreeing on the senior coach - not sure an extension should have occurred.

(The above comes from my boy . )

 

[stavro#4]

cop-out not to sell that game, man up and admit the players shat the bed like they always have, pocket the 750k pay off the debt regardless, so tired of seeing this club start something, * it up, then backtrack into nothingness.

when we are debt free, when we have a healthy ledger, when we are not the most funded club on in VIC, then don't sell it.........

if the AFL can schedule the same teams to play the same venues the same weekend every year, then maybe we get them to schedule the game outside of the notoriously wet season.

I know most will disagree

The issue with this statement is that it takes no review of the situation we find ourselves in.

We play port at marvel on a Saturday night instead - in the same situation. We probably win 9/10 times.

That win puts us at 48 points needing 1 win from Brisbane or Sydney.

Insanely better proposition then needing back to back wins against both.

Then we get Freo at Optus - same place we beat them in round 2. Probably lose. But who knows.

But you wouldn’t be short in the pocket with an extra 20-25k at Marvel for the last 2 games + a final at minimum.

 

[austinnn]

St kilda: we have no trust in those that work in the football department. The culture is poor and the results are unacceptable

Also st kilda: the guy in charge of that s**t show is now going to be made CEO

You literally couldn't make this up.

We just don't know what Bassat's long term plans are though, particularly regarding Lethlean.

He's assessing his ability as a football manager from the last 4 years, probably about 50/50 in my estimation. Maybe his skills er is more suited to admin rather than footy.

Maybe the smart thing to do is give Simon a bit of time as CEO, keep on the look out for other CEOs with a better track record, when the time is right get that done.

I wouldn't have thought it such a great idea to change everyone at the same time.

As far as how it looks goes, who cares? The club already looks bad from the outside. I don't think Bassat is done yet, personally.

 

[austinnn]

For what it’s worth.

The backing and extension of Ratten occurred because of Finnis.

Lethlean was apparently against it. Lost out as he wasn’t CEO.

His(Lethers) apparent opinion, has been that the football department has under performed. List capable of September.

Now the crux of the issue here is that Bassat and co probably have trusted too much as opposed to led and that means challenging Lethlean on outcomes here.

But ultimately if your 2 head honchos of the football clubs performance in your CEO and head of football program are disagreeing on the senior coach - not sure an extension should have occurred.

(The above comes from my boy . )

One of the key findings is that the admin (Bassat, Lethlean and the board) did not offer enough assistance and "rigour" (to use Rossy's new hot word), and Ratts would definitely have course to counter "but how did you help me?" when pleading his case. That falls most squarely on Lethlean as Head of Football.

I hope that what's happened has involved a chastening moment for him too. In the presser, Bassat talked about owning their mistakes regarding suppport to Ratts, hopefully Lethers feels likewise. Maybe CEO will be a better fit, plus with Walsh and Lyon he can let the cobblers do the cobbling.

 

[sammm]

I was surprised with the stuff about the cause games as I'd always assumed it was separate to footy, it's interesting to me that they have found that it negatively affects our performance. It's probably a catch 22 situation where if we were a well-drilled side we wouldn't let it affect us but for whatever reason we do. It seems we haven't been good at separating the two and I think Ratts probably let himself get drawn into stuff around the cause games too much and forgot to allow the focus to be on football for the players.

The Danny frawley game this year was so disappointing. I was pretty upset of how the team played. No heart.

 

[sammm]

With all due respect Iewdogs, it was always clear to me that the cause games compromised & negatively affected our footy preparation & actual performance, eg Round 2, 2021.

Further, now that the review has been completed and key people such as Finnis and Ratten are gone, many lapsed members like myself will sign up again.

I personally feel reinvigorated, focused & excited about our future.

So which cause games will we give up?

The Sydney game Pride game, the Richmond game Maddie's match, hawthorn game blue ribbon cup. ?

 

[Leigh58]

So which cause games will we give up?

The Sydney game Pride game, the Richmond game Maddie's match, hawthorn game blue ribbon cup. ?

Hey Sammm,
I don't know.
You would have to ask the current board that question.

For what it's worth, my focus is to support St Kilda FC.

GO SAINTS
GO RTB!

 

[bergholt]

Anyone else find it strange the guy who was responsible for the football dept that had so many issues was promoted to CEO

Like don't get me wrong the review is spot on.

I just find it amusing key pillars that produced that poor outcome are still there or have been promoted.

Yeah we'll see. Obviously Bassat and the board are watching him closely so if he's not doing a good job as CEO then they'll know about it.

I guess his defence is that he's not a footy specialist so there's a limit to how much he could get into the specific details of what people were doing, or recognise the poor footy performance culture that was created. Whereas maybe he's better at broad organisational stuff and getting the whole org to pull in the same direction.

From the outside who knows, fingers crossed though.

 

[BrutThough]

So which cause games will we give up?

The Sydney game Pride game, the Richmond game Maddie's match, hawthorn game blue ribbon cup. ?

There is no reason to give up any of those 3.

 

[Mowman]

For what it’s worth.

The backing and extension of Ratten occurred because of Finnis.

Lethlean was apparently against it. Lost out as he wasn’t CEO.

His(Lethers) apparent opinion, has been that the football department has under performed. List capable of September.

Now the crux of the issue here is that Bassat and co probably have trusted too much as opposed to led and that means challenging Lethlean on outcomes here.

But ultimately if your 2 head honchos of the football clubs performance in your CEO and head of football program are disagreeing on the senior coach - not sure an extension should have occurred.

(The above comes from my boy . )

He believes the football department has under performed

He was in charge of the football department for how many years? 5 ?”

He is responsible for some pretty poor decisions while in charge

 

[ScrappyDo]

So which cause games will we give up?

The Sydney game Pride game, the Richmond game Maddie's match, hawthorn game blue ribbon cup. ?

There is no reason to give up any of those 3.

On a practical level there's also no reason to keep any of them.
I suspect that Maddie's match might put a few more bums on seats which should be the metric if we're serious. It also raises money for an underfunded cause which is not an issue for the other two.

Probably best to ditch the lot of them.

 

[stavro#4]

He believes the football department has under performed

He was in charge of the football department for how many years? 5 ?”

He is responsible for some pretty poor decisions while in charge

He believe we should have made finals and it was a failure to not do so.

 

[gringo2011]

I was surprised with the stuff about the cause games as I'd always assumed it was separate to footy, it's interesting to me that they have found that it negatively affects our performance. It's probably a catch 22 situation where if we were a well-drilled side we wouldn't let it affect us but for whatever reason we do. It seems we haven't been good at separating the two and I think Ratts probably let himself get drawn into stuff around the cause games too much and forgot to allow the focus to be on football for the players.

That Frawley game against the Dees was a nice idea but being there it was a yuk vibe, emotionally raw and really solemn. Did the full eulogy then we shoved the players out on the field like they were meant to jump up and do a comedy set at a funeral. They shot off those flame towers and made a bit of noise from the speakers but no-one was very excited at that point. The side played like we felt.

Maddy's match works well and is embraced by both sides and is at enough of an arms length to not effect players performance. The rainbow round doesn't really feel like it's been embraced at all. It's pretty poorly attended and at first we had a pretty good turn out of gay people coming to have a look but now it's just a round of footy. Jason Ball really helped push it early but the energy dropped off. The players going to the pride march is probably a much better show of support. Guys like Josh Bruce and Sam Gilbert used to march with them every year. Not are anyone is doing that any more.

 

[Mowman]

He believe we should have made finals and it was a failure to not do so.

That’s fine
But he has been in charge and made many bad decisions over five years take some ownership
Employed his mate that should not have got a job
If Ratts is the only big name to go its BS
He should not be in the role of CEO of our club

 

[gringo2011]

Anyone else find it strange the guy who was responsible for the football dept that had so many issues was promoted to CEO

Like don't get me wrong the review is spot on.

I just find it amusing key pillars that produced that poor outcome are still there or have been promoted.

If you read it there is a lot of de-Finnising going on. Having Lethers in the footy department was just us being dumb. He should have been in a business or administrative role. I'm willing to give him another run in a more suitable role. He's bought an energy that we didn't have before. He's a prime mover and gets s**t done.

Walsh and him are bulls and will clash and box to move us forward in their direction and Lyon won't be a sycophant to any of them. I feel like the other campaigners were all bluffing to hold their jobs and didn't have clue about their roles. At least now we have gone from asleep at the wheel of the Hyundai to a B-double truck driver with the head full of amphetamines with two serial killer hitchhikers in his cabin. It might not end well but it should be a good watch.

 

[Mowman]

On a practical level there's also no reason to keep any of them.
I suspect that Maddie's match might put a few more bums on seats which should be the metric if we're serious. It also raises money for an underfunded cause which is not an issue for the other two.

Probably best to ditch the lot of them.

I hope we keep Maddies match always go and it’s a great cause

 

[#gosaintas]

On a practical level there's also no reason to keep any of them.
I suspect that Maddie's match might put a few more bums on seats which should be the metric if we're serious. It also raises money for an underfunded cause which is not an issue for the other two.

Probably best to ditch the lot of them.

hope we dump them all

 

[ScrappyDo]

He believes the football department has under performed

He was in charge of the football department for how many years? 5 ?”

He is responsible for some pretty poor decisions while in charge

Actually he's been COO for the last couple of years.

If we take stavro's source at face value, Lethers did not want Ratts extended, ergo a new coach, plus Lenny was in the pipeline by then too (Carrol & Walsh last year also).
So he was doing his job and attending to the footy dpt but was overruled by Finnis who has an established pattern of hiring spuds and extending them beyond proven failure.
In the liability chain, Lethers - Finnis - The Board - Bassett, the only one who didn't duck it up is Lethers. Yet somehow you twist it into a negative against him.

 

[gringo2011]

Those Rasta's always had access to the best Gunja.

Sun was on something a bit stronger than weed. He thought he was a Sun god operating on a higher plane of consciousness.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I hope we keep Maddies match always go and it’s great cause

Me too but they need to get it right. Keep the players in their bubble.

 

[gringo2011]

The review IMO is fine and it highlights alot of the issues people had already identified on here.

However I think the real issue it highlighted was a lack of leadership from the board down.

It mentions the board and president didn't drive results hard enough. Thats the real issue. Everything is a symptom of that.

It's all well and good to get 3-4 years in and start trying to turn it around but tbh it's all a little bit too late. Any decent leadership wouldn't let it get to this stage and essentially let them run free with a lack of accountability. Like what have they been doing? Letting the football department just do as it pleased? They're not there to do the work but they are there to ask questions and set the high level strategy and make sure we are doing the things necessary to achieve it. Feels like the governance was waning and lack lustre.

I dont see the fortunes at the club changing until we get a new president and CEO and some churn on the board TBH.

Looks shithouse for the board. They were lucky that no-one can be ****ed spilling them. I think we look a lot more likely to fix the issues at least under Bassat.

 

[Sully111]

Couldn't ask for a lot more from the document.

I feel like he has delivered what he promised.

Now....

Time to rock'n'roll

Bring on 2023.