Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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Tom Browne
@TomBrowne7


Melbourne clubs indicate Finn Callaghan will re-sign with GWS.

Must be leaving if Tom Browne reporting it

 

[dergert]

Callaghan has re signed

 

[TiAn_]

The good times keep rolling for young mids at GW$

 

[Bulldogs85]

The good times keep rolling for young mids at GW$

GWS list management team

 

[Testekill]

They were reportedly offering stupid money so you can't really blame Callaghan.

 

[geoffjennings79]

They were reportedly offering stupid money so you can't really blame Callaghan.

"Stupid" being the operative word. Some of their long-term contract signings over the years have been, well, stupid!

I heard they had to pay Callaghan extra to stay and put up with the grub as his captain/team-mate. Imagine having to put up with him every single day you go to work!

 

[sydney_gws]

"Stupid" being the operative word. Some of their long-term contract signings over the years have been, well, stupid!

I heard they had to pay Callaghan extra to stay and put up with the grub as his captain/team-mate. Imagine having to put up with him every single day you go to work!

Where did you here this. How much is he being paid.

 

[TedDougChris]

Where did you here this. How much is he being paid.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Who'd have thought GWS 'fans' lurk on here?
Or is that hear?! Here, hear!

 

[dergert]

I wonder if Tom Doedee

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Tom Doedee

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28

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190cm

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90kg

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Career

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Last 5

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17.1

4star

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8.5

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

228.8

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.8

3star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.3

2star

MG

228.8

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19.8

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10.4

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9.4

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M

6.6

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1.4

4star

can lock down on smalls?

 

[Testekill]

I wonder if Tom Doedee can lock down on smalls?

It's interesting, Doedee looked like he was being positioned to be the next Adelaide captain and got leapfrogged by Dawson. Out of contract at the end of the year so you'd think that there's a reasonable chance he leaves as a free agent the end of year.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

The problem is, if JUH and Darcy overtake Naughton, which is a real possibility and something that would not surprise me. Then we will need to fork out a fair bit on just three KPF alone, which will push our future cap tight. Especially given many teams lack decent key forwards. It is a position that would be in hot demand, teams would throw big money around to try entice one to come to their club. Even if we have some cap space, its not as simple as lets chase another gun player. Future planning is also taking in to consideration. Who is coming off contract? What their next contact may command etc.

If we had a bit of cap room, we could chase another decent player. Or we could restructure some big contracts and front load them. So we have a more balanced cap over the next few years and keep the list together. I admire Geelongs list management as they are able to stack their teams, and keep everyone happy, by sticking to a certain structure with their payments. Easily been the best managed team the past 15 years by a long shot.

Who cares which area of the ground you spend your cap on?

Pretty sure Carlton aren’t worried that Curnow and McKay play the same position.

As I see it - Two key forwards and two ruck/ forwards (English and Darcy), all elite is perfect.

 

[dergert]

It's interesting, Doedee looked like he was being positioned to be the next Adelaide captain and got leapfrogged by Dawson. Out of contract at the end of the year so you'd think that there's a reasonable chance he leaves as a free agent the end of year.

Few "ITK" posters (usually with good info) have said that we are keen.

He is from Geelong so I imagine the feel good story will continue there.

 

[TedDougChris]

Few "ITK" posters (usually with good info) have said that we are keen.

He is from Geelong so I imagine the under the carpet property and land portfolio story will continue there.

Fixed that !!

 

[_Cerberus_]

Who cares which area of the ground you spend your cap on?

Pretty sure Carlton aren’t worried that Curnow and McKay play the same position.

As I see it - Two key forwards and two ruck/ forwards (English and Darcy), all elite is perfect.

Pretty sure you misread my post as I never suggested anything about that, or said spending money on our forwards was an issue. I was just highlighting the fact JUH and Darcy, if they both break out. Will command a bit on their next contract, and Naughton is out of contract in 2024, will also expect a rise. Quality key forwards tend to cost a bit more, and we have a few of them.

The discussion was how much cap space we have now. Some posters were suggesting we have a bit. So it was debated if we did, do we chase another top tier player from another club? I said I'd rather lock down our current list long term, esp the 3 young key forwards, over chasing another player, given the long term outlook.

 

[Doggies7]

Yeah would love to bring in Doedee. Really nice intercept mark and solid skills from what I remember. Strong but not really KPD height, I think he would be more for the medium / 3rd talls, i'm not too sure how he goes on the Charlie Camerons of the world.

 

[doggiesin08]

Yeah would love to bring in Doedee. Really nice intercept mark and solid skills from what I remember. Strong but not really KPD height, I think he would be more for the medium / 3rd talls, i'm not too sure how he goes on the Charlie Camerons of the world.

I think that one or Khamis, Cleary, Raak (all the even taller than Doedee) will develop into that medium role. Not sure what the pathway is for any of those guys if we bring in a player like Doedee.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Few "ITK" posters (usually with good info) have said that we are keen.

He is from Geelong so I imagine the feel good story will continue there.

I'm sure the Cats will cotton on to that pretty quickly

 

[Mofra]

I think that one or Khamis, Cleary, Raak (all the even taller than Doedee) will develop into that medium role. Not sure what the pathway is for any of those guys if we bring in a player like Doedee.

Doedee is a significant upgrade on all of those guys.
I like Cleary but we have to be realistic.

 

[doggiesin08]

Doedee is a significant upgrade on all of those guys.
I like Cleary but we have to be realistic.

I agree. My point is more if you bring in a 27 year old Doedee then can you really have all of those other 3 on the list? Maybe if Buku is switched forward permanently and if Cleary proves he can play on smalls.

 

[LittleG]

Now we have seen Jones in action, Lobb being solid in the ruck and as a forward…. Darcy doing Darcy things.

Do we think we need to recruit a KPP? Like seriously?!?!?

Just wait for the best kicking KPD I have seen develop in the 2’s for a year or two. No need to be chasing any KPP as far as I can see. We may also be getting in some KP father sons shortly too. Croft and Cooney look really promising too.


List needs really have to be:
Small defender
Winger
Elite inside mid*


With that in mind, I would consider trading our first, Freos first and our future first for pick 1. We need quality and another elite inside mid to earn his spot; would really be the list hole I would target. But would someone trade pick 1 for these 3 later first round picks?

Bergmann at Port as a winger, I still like but apparently unlikely to move. (Bugger!)

 

[Ash1337]

Now we have seen Jones in action, Lobb being solid in the ruck and as a forward…. Darcy doing Darcy things.

Do we think we need to recruit a KPP? Like seriously?!?!?

Just wait for the best kicking KPD I have seen develop in the 2’s for a year or two. No need to be chasing any KPP as far as I can see. We may also be getting in some KP father sons shortly too. Croft and Cooney look really promising too.


List needs really have to be:
Small defender
Winger
Elite inside mid*


With that in mind, I would consider trading our first, Freos first and our future first for pick 1. We need quality and another elite inside mid to earn his spot; would really be the list hole I would target. But would someone trade pick 1 for these 3 later first round picks?

Bergmann at Port as a winger, I still like but apparently unlikely to move. (Bugger!)

Lions future first you mean. It's like those 3 picks will be 15-18 so wont get pick 1. I think dogs can trade for a small defender or winger. Likely find a elite mid at 2-7 so a trade for any of those picks will be enough.

 

[Dogsman16]

Now we have seen Jones in action, Lobb being solid in the ruck and as a forward…. Darcy doing Darcy things.

Do we think we need to recruit a KPP? Like seriously?!?!?

Just wait for the best kicking KPD I have seen develop in the 2’s for a year or two. No need to be chasing any KPP as far as I can see. We may also be getting in some KP father sons shortly too. Croft and Cooney look really promising too.


List needs really have to be:
Small defender
Winger
Elite inside mid*


With that in mind, I would consider trading our first, Freos first and our future first for pick 1. We need quality and another elite inside mid to earn his spot; would really be the list hole I would target. But would someone trade pick 1 for these 3 later first round picks?

Bergmann at Port as a winger, I still like but apparently unlikely to move. (Bugger!)

Sounds like we will get Croft as a f/s. I’d personally develop him down back.

 

[Mofra]

Now we have seen Jones in action, Lobb being solid in the ruck and as a forward…. Darcy doing Darcy things.

Do we think we need to recruit a KPP? Like seriously?!?!?

We need an interceptor down back, which explains the interest we have in Doedee. Crozier may get back to his aerial best but we can't bank on it.
I'm not convinced TOB is that player and neither are the MC. Keath could be that player (for a year) if we had the KPP to release him in that role.

 

[Testekill]

Obviously we probably don't need to target another KPD if we think that Croft will be taking that role alongside Busslinger, at the very least not until Keath or Jones are in their final season. Doedee is also not a KPD, he's very much a medium sized player who is athletic and can intercept. With the decline of Crozier over the last couple of seasons we've needed a medium sized player who can intercept like Wood used to be capable of.