Training 2023 Pre-season thread

[Cubs2Lions]

How's Tom Berry going?

Does someone else want to break the bad news to our good friend Berrygood

 

[The Kings Ransom]

How's Tom Berry going?

Playing pressure forward. Backing up Nick Holman?

Blake Coleman would be a more attacking forward wouldn't he? Completely different players I would imagine.

 

[M Malice]

Does someone else want to break the bad news to our good friend Berrygood

He's asking a Suns supporter how Tom Berry is going.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

He's asking a Suns supporter how Tom Berry is going.

Oh oops, sorry my bad

 

[Nunez]

30 goals in the VFL?
Doesn't sound like you think he'll get a sniff of the AFL team.
If he's not in the frame for an AFL debut by end of the year then he might consider a move for more opportunity.

Yeah I don't think this year is his year. I think he'd know that too and would have known that when he signed an extension. Think the Sun's could potentially nab him but he turned down the Pies knowing he'd likely play VFL for us this year. Imagine the family connection is strong so don't expect he'd leave Queensland.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Yeah I don't think this year is his year. I think he'd know that too and would have known that when he signed an extension. Think the Sun's could potentially nab him but he turned down the Pies knowing he'd likely play VFL for us this year. Imagine the family connection is strong so don't expect he'd leave Queensland.

Good on him for staying patient.

Many highly talented youngsters would have assumed they would have debuted before their 4th year.
Guess he'd be looking at McCarthy's spot in the team and hoping he can make it his in the next year or two.

 

[Milux]

Been watching some replays from last season. Especially early games. One thing that has thing that has stood out like a sore thumb is just how important Adams is to our backline. Now we face the prospect of him and Gardiner not being there. Slightly concerned even with how good Payne looked against Geelong.

 

[Grassy75]

Been watching some replays from last season. Especially early games. One thing that has thing that has stood out like a sore thumb is just how important Adams is to our backline. Now we face the prospect of him and Gardiner not being there. Slightly concerned even with how good Payne looked against Geelong.

So agree, as soon as it became obvious that he wasn't playing I wrote the year of tbh. 'Maybe' Payne can play the muscle role enough so it doesn't matter but we are so much stronger in defence when Adams was playing vs not. I would put him in my top 5 most important players.

 

[Happy_Neale]

So agree, as soon as it became obvious that he wasn't playing I wrote the year of tbh. 'Maybe' Payne can play the muscle role enough so it doesn't matter but we are so much stronger in defence when Adams was playing vs not. I would put him in my top 5 most important players.

Yep I actually thought he went past Andrews as our best defender.

 

[Nunez]

Yep I actually thought he went past Andrews as our best defender.

To be fair Andrews was playing through a knee injury. While Adams at 100% is a gun defender, Andrews at 100% is THE gun defender ij the league. I think we'll see that form again very soon.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Been watching some replays from last season. Especially early games. One thing that has thing that has stood out like a sore thumb is just how important Adams is to our backline. Now we face the prospect of him and Gardiner not being there. Slightly concerned even with how good Payne looked against Geelong.

I actually found some radio audio of the Brisbane v Port game from Round 1 last year. Isaac Smith was commentating, and setting aside our general dislike of Geelong for a moment, a lot of his comments were very interesting and well informed.

Among other things he commented on what a defensive game it was, unusual for Round 1, which I think comes back to something Fages said last year. Altho our defence was much maligned, it was really only from Round 10 onwards where it struggled. 9 rounds in (when we were 8-1) we had the 3rd best defence in the league and a % of 151.

So my concern isn't about our ability or willingness to defend so much, but more about how we respond when we are challenged strategically. Hawthorn ripped us apart in Round 10 last year, I think other teams went to town on that and we weren't the same team after that.

So I'm very much a "wait and see" on whether we have fixed up our defensive issues. The method, and the scoreboard, in the Sydney and Geelong games was terrific, but we WILL get figured out, and we WILL need to adapt, and do so on the fly, possibly even in-game. Last year we showed we were able to do that in attack (Richmond EF) when we were unable to do so previously (both 2021 finals). In 2023 the challenge will be to do that in defence.

 

[Dalions]

Love this goal from Hughy, need some more of this this year and some more confidence when kicking for goal.

 

[M Malice]

Love this goal from Hughy, need some more of this this year and some more confidence when kicking for goal.

That would have hit the goal umpire on the chest if he wanted to mark it.

I often wonder if it is feasible for players to pick out someone in the crowd behind the goal to kick to from set shots, I assume it has been tried but it doesn't make any difference.

 

[POBT]

That would have hit the goal umpire on the chest if he wanted to mark it.

I often wonder if it is feasible for players to pick out someone in the crowd behind the goal to kick to from set shots, I assume it has been tried but it doesn't make any difference.

Often that's been the advice to wayward goal kickers. A few cheer squads in the past have held up targets for the goal kicker to aim at.

I think that poor goal kicking is often blamed on technique and mental state when it is as much to do with where kicks are taken from and fatigue.

Check the below video. Sure Tony Lockett was a beautiful kick but he barely ran except when on the lead - certainly, he wasn't being asked to push up to help out a defensive press. Not stressing the body/mind with endurance running has to help goalkicking. And his goals on this day were all from marks, rarely more than from 30 out and hardly ever on a tight angle.

 

[Grasshopper17]

That would have hit the goal umpire on the chest if he wanted to mark it.

I often wonder if it is feasible for players to pick out someone in the crowd behind the goal to kick to from set shots, I assume it has been tried but it doesn't make any difference.

I'm playing soccer this year for the first time in about 30 years. Yes I will be terrible like I was the first time.

Anyway, one thing that's struck me is how at every training session we train with these miniature goals that are maybe a frac lower than normal soccer goals, but only about 2-2.5m wide. Compared to normal soccer goals which are about as wide (possibly even wider) than Aussie Rules goals. We have the normal goals available to use but we elect not to because we want our strikers to work on their accuracy etc.

I just don't understand why in Aussie Rules we are so arrogant that we've never thought to address the absolute mess, industry-wide really, which is accuracy in front of goal. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the first team to train with narrower goals will monopolise winning the flag until someone else copies them.

If I was involved with the Lions, and knowing we have our own facility now, I'd be drilling two holes, each 1/3rd distance inside each goal post, and sticking the goal posts in there for every training session (except where the focus is going to be on defence). If you want to take it further you can then move the behind posts in to where the goal posts would normally be. Sure, it would look odd, but elite sportspeople love a challenge and I reckon they'd embrace it, particularly bearing in mind what a competition it would become between each other.

 

[M Malice]

I'm playing soccer this year for the first time in about 30 years. Yes I will be terrible like I was the first time.

Anyway, one thing that's struck me is how at every training session we train with these miniature goals that are maybe a frac lower than normal soccer goals, but only about 2-2.5m wide. Compared to normal soccer goals which are about as wide (possibly even wider) than Aussie Rules goals. We have the normal goals available to use but we elect not to because we want our strikers to work on their accuracy etc.

I just don't understand why in Aussie Rules we are so arrogant that we've never thought to address the absolute mess, industry-wide really, which is accuracy in front of goal. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the first team to train with narrower goals will monopolise winning the flag until someone else copies them.

If I was involved with the Lions, and knowing we have our own facility now, I'd be drilling two holes, each 1/3rd distance inside each goal post, and sticking the goal posts in there for every training session (except where the focus is going to be on defence). If you want to take it further you can then move the behind posts in to where the goal posts would normally be. Sure, it would look odd, but elite sportspeople love a challenge and I reckon they'd embrace it, particularly bearing in mind what a competition it would become between each other.

Fantastic idea... and good luck with the soccer, I played soccer all through my youth and Futsal until my late 50s.

 

[Milux]

Love this goal from Hughy, need some more of this this year and some more confidence when kicking for goal.

To me this was the highlight of the year. What an absolute statement it was.

 

[FeastOrFamine]

To me this was the highlight of the year. What an absolute statement it was.

definitely the loudest I've ever yelled at the tv

 

[Quested]

Love this goal from Hughy, need some more of this this year and some more confidence when kicking for goal.

It wasn't quite miracle on the grass but it was beautiful and one of the highlights of the year (along with Joey's goal the week before for the win and that three kick coast to coast goal that I can't remember what round it was in)

 

[CarterS]

away to Port, Home Demons, away Dogs.... not out of the question could be 0 and 3, or 3 and 0. Tough start I think!

 

[FeastOrFamine]

away to Port, Home Demons, away Dogs.... not out of the question could be 0 and 3, or 3 and 0. Tough start I think!

I'd be happy with 2-1 from that

 

[scoman]

away to Port, Home Demons, away Dogs.... not out of the question could be 0 and 3, or 3 and 0. Tough start I think!

Yeah it's certainly a possibility. I think it's unlikely to happen though. We have invested heavily in match simulation/ intraclub games. We are primed for a strong start to the year. If we start 0-3 that will be a major setback, regardless of the quality of the opposition.

 

[CarterS]

Yeah it's certainly a possibility. I think it's unlikely to happen though. We have invested heavily in match simulation/ intraclub games. We are primed for a strong start to the year. If we start 0-3 that will be a major setback, regardless of the quality of the opposition.

I agree, i'm feeling confident. Top 4 would be tough but not out of the question from 0-3, this forum would be a sorry place to be though.

 

[Viceregal]

I agree, i'm feeling confident. Top 4 would be tough but not out of the question from 0-3, this forum would be a sorry place to be though.

CarterS for MOD

 

[dlanod]

away to Port, Home Demons, away Dogs.... not out of the question could be 0 and 3, or 3 and 0. Tough start I think!

I'd be happy with 2-1 from that

If we're not at least 4-0 I'm going to be going spare