Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Turbocat]

St Kilda is commiting to drafting at least one player per year from their VFL alignment each year.

Depending on the players in their VFL system...that should not be that hard. Load up with a couple of delisting and a couple of unlucky kids that missed.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I think we're taking Wilson.

 

[Shadow89]

I think we're taking Wilson.

What makes you say that (would be ecstatic if that was the case)?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think we're taking Wilson.

Quite like Wilson but as a top 10 pick? Oof

 

[Lana]

Depending on the players in their VFL system...that should not be that hard. Load up with a couple of delisting and a couple of unlucky kids that missed.

I think it will draw players to their VFL team

 

[Shadow89]

Quite like Wilson but as a top 10 pick? Oof

I reckon we trade back with the Crows so they can get O'Sullivan - and we take Wilson at 10 (12)

Gives us the kid we want (if we do want him) and another good pick. Best outcome for mine, IMO.

Wilson is my second fave of our available bracket - behind only Sanders. Also don't mind Windsor, Caddy or Leake (but I think the latter is more mid-late teens than anything)

 

[Turbocat]

I think it will draw players to their VFL team

Could be. Including MSD there are a couple of clubs that you have. a good chance at . I think it was mentioned Poulter went to the Dogs for that reason.

 

[Max Rooke]

As we move from the trade period and into draft talk, this becomes a useful go to tool



And this one will go behind a spoiler tag - can be opened at ones leisure

Spoiler: LORE'S 2024 PROVISIONAL DRAFT PICKS

For this one, just click/tap the different blue tabs to look at the different options - one thing to keep in mind with this one is that it's currently based on the 2023 finishing order, so will change

This is great.

With the re-signing of the 4 vets recently we’re clearly running it back and going all-in again next year - hoping for a better run with injuries combined with a better fixture and a new stadium.

Other threads have shown we can’t fit all top-tier players into our 23. There’ll be some resting and rotations throughout the year, but if Clark, Knevitt, Dempsey etc aren’t getting 10+ games next year, don’t expect any draftees from this year to feature much either. Come finals time it will likely be the 2022 GF team with only 3-4 changes. (Holmes, OHenry, Bruhn)

If we win the flag, expect 4 or so vets to retire. If we miss the finals, expect the same. If we want to avoid 'falling off a cliff' we'll need to be aggressive in the 2024 trade period.

At the end of 2024 Bailey Smith and a host of other potential trade targets are out of contract. We’ll need picks to bring them in.

Therefore I think Geelong’s strategy should be something like

1. Trade pick 8 + 76 to NM for 15, 17 and 57.
2. Use 15 to draft a top tier player who could debut in ’24 and be ready to make a real impact in 2025.
3. Trade 17, 25, 86 into next years draft.

Freo have 3x 2024 1sts, but this year their first pick is 34. Trade 17 for their 2024 1st rd pick tied to PA which should end up around 17/18 too.

Richmond have 2x 2024 2nds, but this year’s first pick is 29. Trade 25 for Richmond’s own 2024 2nd rounder, which should also be around 25.

Port have picks 73, 112, 130 this year, but 2x 4th rounders in 2024. On draft night when pick 86 comes in to something in the 60s/70s, trade it to PA for their ’24 rd 4 pick tied to Ess.

This year Geelong would then use selections 15, 57, 94 (which will come in following bids). One good player and maybe some diamonds.

In 2024 they would then have

• 2 x 1sts (Geel, PA)
• 2 x 2nds (Geel, Rich)
• 1 x 3rd (Geel)
• 2 x 4th (Geel, Ess)

Plus all of their 2025 picks.

This should be enough for them to make a splash in the 2024 trade period to help replace Danger, Duncan, Touhy, Rohan, Stanley etc.
2024 is also expected to be a better draft year.

That's just what I think anyway.

 

[BigCat1]

Pretty convinced we will trade down in this draft having read the predicted outcome of picks preceding our first. I think we’d hoped that Sanders might fall to us initially but that’s now unlikely with the Dogs wanting to replace their ageing inside midfield group. If Curtin or Caddy fell it would make us stop and think I would think but the likes of Twomey expect both to go a bit earlier.

The trade that appears most likely is with Adelaide. I’m hoping that our picks 8 and 25 will be traded for 10, 14 and 20 with a F3 going back to them.

Would allow us to still I think pick up some handy types and address a few holes in our list.

I’d be targeting Leake with pick 10. Just looks a Wells type. Versatile, tough and would bring some good footskills. Has a bit of toe too. Can pretty much play back, forward or in the middle.

Taken me a little while to really warm to this guy but I’d be taking Charlie Edwards with 14. Think there’s still a lot of development in him. He’s a great size for a mid, can win his own footy and has very good endurance. Kicking is good but can improve. Good overhead. Think he would compliment our young midfield brigade.

Pick 20 for me is a toss up between ZZ and Hastie. Having taken 2 mid sized players with the first 2 I’d probably lean to ZZ. He’s pretty raw but a competitive beast and has a terrific athletic profile. See him most likely as a KPD moving forward to accompany SDK.

If he’s gone no qualms in taking Hastie. Have liked this kid since I first saw him. Local kid who would bring some good line breaking speed out of defence. Good decision maker.

With one of our last picks I’m taking Philactides. We are in desperate need of a tough small defender. This kid is it. Would represent good value at this part of the draft.

If you are indeed going down that path then do it twice.

Pick 8 & 25 for 10,14 & 20.

Then 10 to North for a 15 & 17. Carl would also be sniffing around

End up with 14,15,17 & 20 for Sav and pick 8.

I just think we draft better in clusters. We always have. We got a lot of ready made talent in but in hindsight I don’t overly love the 2014 to now strategy of taking bunch of late picks after 40. Gregson, Cunico, Gore, Gardner, Menegola, Luxford, Buzza, Hayball, Esava, Narkle, Abott, House, Ruggles, Miers, Jarvis, Kennelly, Tarca, Brownless, Fort, Evans, Teheny, Kroger, Whyte, Nic Stevens, Foster, Ricardi.

That’s a long list of misses. We have done well with Rookies and mature agers.

With 6 list spots I’m sold getting as many picks under 25 no matter how late they are. Just as long as they’re under 25.

 

[year of the cat]

If you are indeed going down that path then do it twice.

Pick 8 & 25 for 10,14 & 20.

Then 10 to North for a 15 & 17. Carl would also be sniffing around

End up with 14,15,17 & 20 for Sav and pick 8.

I just think we draft better in clusters. We always have. We got a lot of ready made talent in but in hindsight I don’t overly love the 2014 to now strategy of taking bunch of late picks after 40. Gregson, Cunico, Gore, Gardner, Menegola, Luxford, Buzza, Hayball, Esava, Narkle, Abott, House, Ruggles, Miers, Jarvis, Kennelly, Tarca, Brownless, Fort, Evans, Teheny, Kroger, Whyte, Nic Stevens, Foster, Ricardi.

That’s a long list of misses. We have done well with Rookies and mature agers.

With 6 list spots I’m sold getting as many picks under 25 no matter how late they are. Just as long as they’re under 25.

Think I’m probably being a bit optimistic with my trade. Unless we were to give a F2 back to them. It will probably be more like simply 8 for 10 and 20. End up with 10, 20, 25 and our late picks.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If you are indeed going down that path then do it twice.

Pick 8 & 25 for 10,14 & 20.

Then 10 to North for a 15 & 17. Carl would also be sniffing around

End up with 14,15,17 & 20 for Sav and pick 8.

I just think we draft better in clusters. We always have. We got a lot of ready made talent in but in hindsight I don’t overly love the 2014 to now strategy of taking bunch of late picks after 40. Gregson, Cunico, Gore, Gardner, Menegola, Luxford, Buzza, Hayball, Esava, Narkle, Abott, House, Ruggles, Miers, Jarvis, Kennelly, Tarca, Brownless, Fort, Evans, Teheny, Kroger, Whyte, Nic Stevens, Foster, Ricardi.

That’s a long list of misses. We have done well with Rookies and mature agers.

With 6 list spots I’m sold getting as many picks under 25 no matter how late they are. Just as long as they’re under 25.

Both of those pick swaps seem optimistic to me. 8 for 15 and 17 and going in with 15/17/25 seems more real.

Would be alright for us though

 

[foxdog50]

St Kilda is commiting to drafting at least one player per year from their VFL alignment each year.

Should be put in place that every clubs VFL & SANFL etc can rookie or draft a player from there affiliated team without affecting any of there draft picks

 

[Lana]

Should be put in place that every clubs VFL & SANFL etc can rookie or draft a player from there affiliated team without affecting any of there draft picks

I don't see a need of that, it is the exception that requires a pick of value. Between the SPP, DFA and mid-season draft, If a club wants someone more often not they'd get them for near free cost.

 

[Lana]

Could be. Including MSD there are a couple of clubs that you have. a good chance at . I think it was mentioned Poulter went to the Dogs for that reason.

We have picked up quite a few in the last decade, us picking Hardie over Chalcraft in the mid season draft is probably why he left the club. Honestly a rookie pick (after the first couple) has so little value on average, it wouldn't bother me if a large portion of the picks were used to prop up the VFL program.

Something like a one at draft one in the rookie draft, one at SPP at the end of the pre-season and one mid season if we have a LTI, would result in a much higher quality of players joing our VFL program, a more competitive VFL team would add in development of AFL players. The mid season draft could even be used as a bonus for long term VFL players to get around the VFL salary cap (currently around 100k pa).

 

[Turbocat]

Should be put in place that every clubs VFL & SANFL etc can rookie or draft a player from there affiliated team without affecting any of there draft picks

I like the idea ..it would help balance the northern academy type advantage ... and if club find a guy like Stewart ..they should reap the reward. Maybe some criteria around it to ensure that there is no hiding of players etc. and maybe you have to match rather than just get outright access to them.

As usual...no one gives a tinkers cuss till we are talking about someone of obvious talent. Is anyone up in arms about Clohesy on our list . But his brother... win the Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal ... my bet is someone be grumpy if a club can just list him without some sort of bid

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I sort of like Lana's idea of going a bit heavy in talls. As you know I have liked Goad since the champs. Both him and Edwards probably cost a bit more than Pike but as you say...in a thin draft .. players like him might reward long term

I like Goad...i think he could very much be a jackson type (at his absolute best he might be a bust or never get to that level) Green is more your traditional ruckman but still athletically fairly good. I like pike as a ruck/fwd hybrid. Ditto edwards for that although i know some clubs have ? On edwards professionalism. Obviously you would need to take him before 40 or freo will match.

Given stanley wont be on the list in 2025 (and blitz will be like 35 by then) i would probably take a ruck whether its at say 25 or late with our 50s picks.

 

[Turbocat]

Both of those pick swaps seem optimistic to me. 8 for 15 and 17 and going in with 15/17/25 seems more real.

Would be alright for us though

what ever way we go... we probably only know in retrospect if the right call was made

 

[year of the cat]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-reportedly-offer-three-firstround-draft-picks-to-west-coast-in-the-race-for-harley-reid/news-story/5f0f8ac66effeded770136e1482567cc

 

[year of the cat]

Curtin a reasonable chance to fall to us now apparently.

That being the case, just take him and use 25 on either ZZ, Edwards or Hastie.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Curtin a reasonable chance to fall to us now apparently.

That being the case, just take him and use 25 on either ZZ, Edwards or Hastie.

Trade it to Wet Toast for their 2024 First Rounder and this year's pick 23.
23 & 25 Take Sanchez and ZZ
Walk into 2024 draft with a top 3 pick guaranteed.

 

[year of the cat]

Trade it to Wet Toast for their 2024 First Rounder and this year's pick 23.
23 & 25 Take Sanchez and ZZ
Walk into 2024 draft with a top 3 pick guaranteed.

Doubt they trade their FF for him.

 

[moond0g]

Can someone explain why if we are so happy to trade down why other teams would want to trade up?

Obviously if there’s a particular player that another club rates that we don’t (e.g., Adelaide and O’Sullivan) then maybe we’ll have a market. But even then we’ll probably get 10 and 20 back, which is handy, but not robbery by any means.

But you’re right. Some people on here talk like we’ll have clubs lining up to trade 8 out for a multiple first rounders, some even suggesting we can get WCE or North’s future first AND another first rounder which is a bit laughable.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Doubt they trade their FF for him.

Pick 3 in 2024 to get DC this year which he should be a Top 5 player in the draft by all accounts..??
FWIW I think they would do it in a heart beat.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We have picked up quite a few in the last decade, us picking Hardie over Chalcraft in the mid season draft is probably why he left the club. Honestly a rookie pick (after the first couple) has so little value on average, it wouldn't bother me if a large portion of the picks were used to prop up the VFL program.

Something like a one at draft one in the rookie draft, one at SPP at the end of the pre-season and one mid season if we have a LTI, would result in a much higher quality of players joing our VFL program, a more competitive VFL team would add in development of AFL players. The mid season draft could even be used as a bonus for long term VFL players to get around the VFL salary cap (currently around 100k pa).

Probably yes in chalcrafts case although jacko already being at SD would be another reason why hes gone there. I do agree i think we could use one or two rookie picks (although our rookie list will be pretty full for next year) to bolster the vfl side which needs leadership.

Quite like Wilson but as a top 10 pick? Oof

I agree im a fan but i think 8 is early (unless we think ess are taking him but id doubt that). If hes our guy id like to see us trade back to 10/11/12 and get him there. I reckon adel would do a pick trade with us.

We will also see if caddy or curtain make it to 8 and we might sell the pick and trade back or out in that scenario.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Pick 3 in 2024 to get DC this year which he should be a Top 5 player in the draft by all accounts..??
FWIW I think they would do it in a heart beat.

I pity the poor two clubs you have them finishing in front of next year.