Rumour Jeremy Finlayson under investigation - 3 game suspension

[fusion]

If belting the crap out of someone didnt do it, words probably werent going to either.

I'd be more worried that Clarko lose the plot and throw the first punch!

 

[Adz2332]

We have always had degrees of slur. You nong!

Ban him! That hurt my feelings

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

The poor campaigner will need 3 weeks off after the crap he has copped.

 

[Bostonian]

What til the kids find out we used to eat a food called The F word.

 

[Sassermon]

The comparisons to Clarkson are misguided in my opinion.

My reason for that is that people keep saying it's basically the same thing, but they are very different in both intent and how they are received.
For example, if you were to call someone a p**sy it would have a very different effect than if you were to call them a c**t. While they mean the same thing, their place in society is very different.
Saying what Clarkson did is not great and there can absolutely be an argument for there being homophobic connotations to it, but not always and not to the same degree. The word f***ot is without doubt the C-bomb of gay slurs. It is the one that is spewed with the most venom and hatred and the one that is the most cruel.

I don't know Finlayson as a person, I have no judgment on him as a person nor do I think this defines him. The word he chose to use however, even in the heat of the moment, is unacceptable and is the worst of the words used when saying that being gay is an insult.

 

[Toump Ass]

AFL statement is a bit of a wank innit.
"To be clear, without the full and frank admissions, apologies and contrition that Finlayson showed, the sanction would have included a longer suspension."

Of course he showed contrition the dumb campaigner got caught on microphone being a homophobe lmao.

 

[Bostonian]

My reason for that is that people keep saying it's basically the same thing, but they are very different in both intent and how they are received.
For example, if you were to call someone a p**sy it would have a very different effect than if you were to call them a c**t. While they mean the same thing, their place in society is very different.

In Australia the P word is more offensive to a guy than the C word.

A C can be a good bloke. A P never is.

 

[Tandy]

Finlaysons punishment is fine (could have been more). It's the fact Clarko got off the way he did when he has form. That's the joke

 

[Bald]

I went i to some detail on another thread to explain to someone why ‘C#$& S@#$+&*/ is homophobic.

I’d never considered it being so myself till I examined it.

I guess if you call someone a ‘bunny rooter’, the Rabbits of this world would feel marginalised (if they could) - so it is logical.

I definitely agree that if you pull the word apart and look at what you're actually saying it absolutely is something that's homophobic. I find it hard to explain the difference between the two so I asked my brother in law (who is gay), he basically said one word you need to think about to reach the conclusion that it could be homophobic, whereas the other there isn't any doubt.

 

[Troopsy]

AFL statement is a bit of a wank innit.
"To be clear, without the full and frank admissions, apologies and contrition that Finlayson showed, the sanction would have included a longer suspension."

Of course he showed contrition the dumb campaigner got caught on microphone being a homophobe lmao.

Before I answer I fully believe that Finlayson fully deserves a ban of games, saying that is not on.

However Finlayson would not have known it was picked up on the mike. Unless the umpire told him?

 

[Chief]

Living in a clown world where saying a naughty word is the equivalent of giving someone a concussion.

Nobody said that.

 

[kickazz]

I definitely agree that if you pull the word apart and look at what you're actually saying it absolutely is something that's homophobic. I find it hard to explain the difference between the two so I asked my brother in law (who is gay), he basically said one word you need to think about to reach the conclusion that it could be homophobic, whereas the other there isn't any doubt.

I think with one, you can argue a case that it is pejorative in a non-homophobic sense, more along the lines of "arse kisser" that can be applied to anybody regardless of gender or sexuality. Of course it can also be homophobic, and my wager on Clarko's use of it is in that category.

The other is unequivocally a homophobic slur and a very bad one at that.

 

[M Malice]

I haven't read through the whole thread, might have already been asked and answered but what would Finlayson's "education course" involve?

He has already apologised and hence knows he was out of line so what is the point of education, is it just perception.

 

[kickazz]

I haven't read through the whole thread, might have already been asked and answered but what would Finlayson's "education course" involve?

He has already apologised and hence knows he was out of line so what is the point of education, is it just perception.

I don't know for sure but I imagine it would just provide a more in-depth understanding of the past hurt, the ongoing damage this sort of thing can have, and the power that high profile sportspeople have and why their attitudes matter even more.

 

[SuperMal]

I think with one, you can argue a case that it is pejorative in a non-homophobic sense, more along the lines of "arse kisser" that can be applied to anybody regardless of gender or sexuality. Of course it can also be homophobic, and my wager on Clarko's use of it is in that category.

The other is unequivocally a homophobic slur and a very bad one at that.

Hmm…even if you look at it in a pejorative sense - it’s use as a slur implies it’s a bad thing - ergo, homosexual activity is a bad thing.

As I said, I really chewed this one over (no pun intended!) and ultimately its a knock on anyone who engages in male oral sex - Women included.

 

[HairyO]

Nobody said that.

Didnt the AFL say this when they gave a 3 week suspension?

 

[WilloTree]

In Australia the P word is more offensive to a guy than the C word.

A C can be a good bloke. A P never is.

This reminds me of Algebra

shudder

 

[kickazz]

Hmm…even if you look at it in a pejorative sense - it’s use as a slur implies it’s a bad thing - ergo, homosexual activity is a bad thing.

As I said, I really chewed this one over (no pun intended!) and ultimately its a knock on anyone who engages in male oral sex - Women included.

No that's not it - it's more about the act being a cynical way of ingratiating yourself with powerful people in order to advance oneself. That's what I meant there.

 

[Sherrinator]

Only in the shit because he said it near the umpire. School yard slur with zero connotation.

 

[SuperMal]

No that's not it - it's more about the act being a cynical way of ingratiating yourself with powerful people in order to advance oneself. That's what I meant there.

I’m with you - yes, there is that implication I agree.

 

[Bostonian]

This reminds me of Algebra

shudder

Maths is evil.

 

[Toump Ass]

Before I answer I fully believe that Finlayson fully deserves a ban of games, saying that is not on.

However Finlayson would not have known it was picked up on the mike. Unless the umpire told him?

AFL statement mentions his actions following the game- apologising afterwards, making a statement etc.

Very silly to think that someone makes PR release and is suddenly cured of homophobia. If only it was that simple!

 

[SuperMal]

Maths is evil.

Well,being from Boston..you probably burned your Math teacher, yes?

 

[Chief]

Didnt the AFL say this when they gave a 3 week suspension?

So if someone gets a suspension for A and someone else gets the same length suspension for B, they are exactly the same type and severity of infraction?

Surely that's not what you're saying.

 

[Gumby2Hurley]

Finlaysons punishment is fine (could have been more). It's the fact Clarko got off the way he did when he has form. That's the joke

yep protected species got off lightly.