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List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8
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Rubbish.We had Jack and Lynch was in the wings.We took Higgins and the ccj ahead of Oscar Allen, horrendous when you consider we went to the draft with the aim of improving our tall stocks.
Apparently Higgins was too good to pass onand ccj was a contested marking machine.
Thank Christ Clarke is gone.
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and ccj was a contested marking machine.Cj was seen as a ruck/fwd.
Allen was least of our needs.
lol. We went to the draft to find talls and came away with only 1 prospect. By passing talent to take Higgins while we were stacked with smalls and CCJ who shouldn’t have gone inside pick 40.
Allen was top of our list of needs.
This club hasn’t prioritised tall talent and that’s why we we’ve spent the last two seasons with no forward targets.
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CCJ was supposed to be the ruck/forward who would have been supporting Lynch & Nankervis over the last couple of seasons had he not taken the money North offered. Like Allen, CCJ was an All Australian in the year that he was drafted and was widely regarded by many of the draft experts to be one of the better marks in the draft that year.
As for Higgins, he was the Victorian MVP in his draft year and close to winning the Larke Medal as well, as he was the only player that year to have over 100 disposals during the champs, while also averaging 6 tackles and 5 clearances and kicked 6 goals.
The hindsight bashing of our picks from that era is wrong, we picked good players, but for whatever reasons they didn't quite kick on with us as we'd have hoped, but most of them would have been quite handy had they stuck around and fought for their spots.
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LoL.Ok Mr Hindsight explain to me why Allen went so late(2nd rnd)?
Jeez it wasn't that bad.
Balta and Miller both looking excellent picks for where they were taken. Higgins has essentially been traded out and the main pick we got for him allowed us to draft Tom Brown, who suddenly looks like he could be a top class player. So there was definite merit in taking a player in Higgins who was seen as the best available at that point. The only one you would say we got moderately wrong was CCJ over Allen or Sam Taylor. But it is not like that amounted to nothing either. CCJ got us 40% of the draft capital used to trade for Taranto.
So you are doing more than ok if you convert:
pick 17 into Tom Brown
pick 20 into 40% of prime Taranto
pick 25 into Noah Balta
pick 63 into Ben Miller
rookie pick into Liam Baker
That was a fantastic draft for us. Ok, it was a very even draft and there were a lot of good players on offer and we didn't get the absolute best available at some of our picks(Sam Taylor) but consider what say Carlton did:
pick 3 Paddy Dow
pick 10 Lochie O'Brien
pic 30 Tom DeKoning
pick 70 Angus Schumaker
pick 78 Jarrod Garlett
rookie Matt Shaw
or the team who took Oscar Allen, Eagles:
12 Brander
21 Allen
26 Ryan
32 Ainsworth
38 Petrucelle
68 Hamish Brayshaw
Rookie Burrows England
We took weaker picks into the draft than both those clubs and as things stand right now look to have come out of that draft way better than both of them.
It was clearly a very difficult draft for clubs with the talent being so evenly spread, you could easily get a better player at pick 30 than pick 3.
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Should we try to get Lobb for 2 years and a stop gap until our next key fwds are ready?
He is 31 but I don't think he has much of an injury history over his career and started his career quite late.
Currently on only 500k at the Bulldogs and can't get a game ahead of their gun talls. Would cost us a late second at most.
Surely he has to be better than Kozi.
He is 31 but I don't think he has much of an injury history over his career and started his career quite late.
Currently on only 500k at the Bulldogs and can't get a game ahead of their gun talls. Would cost us a late second at most.
Surely he has to be better than Kozi.
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He was injured and the teams ahead of us were looking at smalls or academy picks. He was also a go home risk.
Some of the revisionist nonsense to justify some crap drafting is laughable.
This board was stunned we passed on Allen twice, especially for CCJ.
CCJ is a laughably bad footballer and to evaluate his under age work and think he was a worthy top 20 pick is lose your job bad.
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Thought Allen was in Balta draft , I’d argue he’s better player , Higgins diff draft. Ccj strange one his first lot of games with us looked super promising and if not for that kebab fk up may well have played finals and a flag . I don’t get best avail when you have glaring needs it’s completely irrational in a team sport made up of specialist roles.i hope toce has a differing viewWe took Higgins and the ccj ahead of Oscar Allen, horrendous when you consider we went to the draft with the aim of improving our tall stocks.
Apparently Higgins was too good to pass on
Thank Christ Clarke is gone.
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So a kid who was an AA at U18 level in the year he was drafted and widely regarded as one of the best talls in his draft year. What is laughable is people using how his performed at senior level to rubbish his draft spot. Pretty bloody easy to do that with the benefit of hindsight
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Higgins father was (may still be) a coterie member at the Saints. He was always going to end up there one day.
Your right about the hindsight bashing…you would expect a recruiter or the FD to be able to speak for at least 5 min’s as to how why they’ve come to the decision they have.
It’s all well and good to say “we trust our people” but decisions need to be supported with facts.
CCJ has probably been one of the tallest most his sporting life and from all reports as the Captain of SA he was vocal as a Ruck and enjoyed being physical in the air, on the ground.
It’s only 1 game more than Kosi this year but I think Kosi is having more impact and has maybe more upside.
If your unusually tall and a bit athletic your gonna get 2-3 years to prove you can’t make it.
I think we did alright outve CCJ in the end.
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I really think the tall marking fwd who can s successful at afl level..
You only see 2-3 every ten years
You only see 2-3 every ten years
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The Pies usually after the same players we are.
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So you honestly think the club should have been or was targeting a Key Position Forward end of 2017 with Jack still with 5-7 years left and a 24yo Lynch in the wings with 7-9 years left?
That would’ve been great for Oscar Allen … would have played permanent VFL for the first 4-5 years of his career from 2018-2022.
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He's a fwd
We had Jack & an incoming Lynch.
You think he would've stayed around getting a game here and there.?
He would've went home for sure so your argument is void.
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And stairs
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Revisionist nonsense??
Cal Twomey who is brilliant with his drafting and young talent knowledge in his phantom drafts had Higgins at #11, Allen at #13 and CCJ at #26.
So hardly surprising we took Higgins given he was still available.
And we needed a ruck / forward more than a pure KPF end of 2017. We had Nank and not much else we could rely on. Getting CCJ was no big surprise.
And if we got Allen end of 2017 do we go as hard as we did for Lynch end of 2018, and does Lynch even choose Richmond if we had Jack and a young KPF in the wings ? Probably not. Allen could’ve cost us 2 flags.
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Baker is out of contract so a trade will need to be done. He ain't a free agent
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I’d argue his first lot of games he got the new player free kick treatment. Once they dried up he couldn’t hold a mark under the slightest contact.
I agree on the draft on talent mantra. It’s a nonsense. Especially as we adjust our formula to add weight to a player type we lack, which we did in 2017 to try to add more talls.
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He wasn’t rated as a draft prospect, the reaction on this board after was pretty telling, and the punters definitely got this one right. The pick we can hang our hat on was Balta at 25, where no one rated him.
I actually think we were keen on brander but the eagles took him and saved us.
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Yes. Lynch wasn’t a sure thing and you need more than two forwards.
Allen wouldn’t have played vfl, we were trying to use a midfielder as our 2nd forward. CCJ played permanent VFL all his career so that’s just a silly argument.
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So we took ccj since he was so shit he’s never going to be a threat to lynch?
Twomey also knew we’d been talking to CCJ in the week leading up to the draft.
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Clubs can have more talls than their starting 22. Planning for your future list needs is a thing. The club said they were going to the draft to get tall talent so clearly they thought you needed more than 1 forward. Especially as Caddy was our second marking target after we finally gave up on Ben Griffiths.
