List Mgmt. 2024 Young Talent Time (Drafting)

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Ysaye said:
Walters was a midfielder as junior player.

I actually think he (Champion) is a very short kick and will be shorter when he is in the AFL and has to run all day. I have also seen him be very inaccurate in games as well; I think he is more an up the ground run and chip player than a small forward, which may be problematic at the next level up given his size. Yes he has been playing against men in amateurs and likes a fight (he did play a couple of pre-season games in Subiaco seniors), but this is professional football we are talking about him playing.

On the flip side I do like his agility and I think his speed is decent, so the combination of those two things will help him get drafted. He also has a very good standing jump and his endurance is okay.
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I wouldn’t be too worried about his size. Bobby Hill is 175cm and was around 60 kg when drafted.
He was pick 24, so in hindsight we should have taken him.
He won’t last after 40, WC NGA, but has the X factor that we seem
to be missing.
There are a few options though, I just hope we can get one or possibly two.
 
Another excellent Colts performance from Kayle Gerreyn. He dominated his opponents in the ruck all day providing hit outs to advantage his teammates or often just grabbing the ball and driving it forwards himself. He even showed some of his potential as a key forward, chipping in with two goals.

 
Vimal Anand said:
Hi @Chris25 with probability of our three 1st round picks falling between 9 to 16 , who are the best players suits us in 2024 draft ?

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noobermensch said:
Another excellent Colts performance from Kayle Gerreyn. He dominated his opponents in the ruck all day providing hit outs to advantage his teammates or often just grabbing the ball and driving it forwards himself. He even showed some of his potential as a key forward, chipping in with two goals.

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Kayle Gerreyn Vimal Anand IMO this is THE player for us to pick between 9 - 16.

Not a "positional need" but just a really unique athletic player who can play a number of positions, is racking up decent possession numbers for a tall (21, 18 and 21 in the last three games), kicking goals and getting decent hitout numbers as well. Maybe the goal kicking is not quite there yet but the technique is there, also good field kicking if we wanted to play him as a rebounding tall centre half back. Also goes to the right places, has that footy IQ to go along with the athleticism. Also a WA player as well (not that I care too much about that). I think he is going under the radar, it will all depend on his U18 championships and where he plays there (they might play him as a ruckman which would hide him a little, although I think they will probably ruck with Riddle and play Gerreyn as CHF/Ruck).

If the intent for racking up the picks in this draft was to pick up MacDonald, well this is a good backup plan.
 

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Ysaye said:
Kayle Gerreyn Vimal Anand IMO this is THE player for us to pick between 9 - 16.

Not a "positional need" but just a really unique athletic player who can play a number of positions, is racking up decent possession numbers for a tall (21, 18 and 21 in the last three games), kicking goals and getting decent hitout numbers as well. Maybe the goal kicking is not quite there yet but the technique is there, also good field kicking if we wanted to play him as a rebounding tall centre half back. Also goes to the right places, has that footy IQ to go along with the athleticism. Also a WA player as well (not that I care too much about that). I think he is going under the radar, it will all depend on his U18 championships and where he plays there (they might play him as a ruckman which would hide him a little, although I think they will probably ruck with Riddle and play Gerreyn as CHF/Ruck).

If the intent for racking up the picks in this draft was to pick up MacDonald, well this is a good backup plan.
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Interesting.

How tall is he…he’s quite mobile.

Could he be a mobile utility? Cripps style, smashing bodies?
 
Ysaye said:
If the intent for racking up the picks in this draft was to pick up MacDonald, well this is a good backup plan.
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Yea he projects as very promising in terms of ticking alot of boxes you d want in a kpf/ruck

I agree , if we miss out on McDonald (very likely) I’d be more than happy if we pick him up with one of our firsts
 
Ysaye said:
Kayle Gerreyn Vimal Anand IMO this is THE player for us to pick between 9 - 16.

Not a "positional need" but just a really unique athletic player who can play a number of positions, is racking up decent possession numbers for a tall (21, 18 and 21 in the last three games), kicking goals and getting decent hitout numbers as well. Maybe the goal kicking is not quite there yet but the technique is there, also good field kicking if we wanted to play him as a rebounding tall centre half back. Also goes to the right places, has that footy IQ to go along with the athleticism. Also a WA player as well (not that I care too much about that). I think he is going under the radar, it will all depend on his U18 championships and where he plays there (they might play him as a ruckman which would hide him a little, although I think they will probably ruck with Riddle and play Gerreyn as CHF/Ruck).

If the intent for racking up the picks in this draft was to pick up MacDonald, well this is a good backup plan.
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Thank you Ysaye

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Ysaye said:
Kayle Gerreyn Vimal Anand IMO this is THE player for us to pick between 9 - 16.

Not a "positional need" but just a really unique athletic player who can play a number of positions, is racking up decent possession numbers for a tall (21, 18 and 21 in the last three games), kicking goals and getting decent hitout numbers as well. Maybe the goal kicking is not quite there yet but the technique is there, also good field kicking if we wanted to play him as a rebounding tall centre half back. Also goes to the right places, has that footy IQ to go along with the athleticism. Also a WA player as well (not that I care too much about that). I think he is going under the radar, it will all depend on his U18 championships and where he plays there (they might play him as a ruckman which would hide him a little, although I think they will probably ruck with Riddle and play Gerreyn as CHF/Ruck).

If the intent for racking up the picks in this draft was to pick up MacDonald, well this is a good backup plan.
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Any high IQ player would be good for our side.
 

A few to consider for the mid season draft.





My Two Cents: Host of young SANFL stars emerge as AFL mid-season draft prospects​

Some were spurned in their inaugural draft years, another was ruthlessly dumped from the AFL system. A host of exciting young SANFL players want a second chance in the draft.
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Some were spurned in their inaugural draft years, another was ruthlessly dumped from the AFL system.
Now a host of young, exciting SANFL players who have overcome their share of adversity are making their mid-season draft cases.
After three rounds of the 2024 SANFL season and a state game against the VFL, more than half-a-dozen players once thought to be on the AFL scrap heap are suddenly garnering recruiters’ attention.

Woodville-West Torrens’ Patrick Weckert, Luke Beecken and Adam D’Aloia, Central District’s Jez McLennan, South Adelaide’s Noah Howes and West Adelaide’s Kobe Ryan and Will Patton are among the young South Australians who have lit up the SANFL in the early rounds and propelled their names in front of AFL clubs for the May 29 mid-season rookie draft.
Emerging Woodville-West Torrens star Patrick Weckert. Picture: Matt Turner

Emerging Woodville-West Torrens star Patrick Weckert. Picture: Matt Turner
Nineteen-year-old key forward Weckert, who gave away a promising cricket career as a fast bowler to concentrate on football, was overlooked at last year’s draft following a disappointing AFL under-18 national championships campaign.
But the 194cm tall, who dropped 5kg over summer, has enjoyed a standout start to the 2024 league season, kicking eight goals in three games for the top-of-the-table Eagles, including seven in the past two weeks.
He also has averaged five marks and is fitter than last season, enabling him to cover more territory.
“Patty is enjoying the fruits of having had his first full pre-season of football training,’’ said his agent Greg Size from Deliver Sports Management.
“He’s missed a lot of footy training because of his cricket and now he’s reaping the rewards of a full pre-season, it’s made a world of difference for him.
“He’s worked really hard and improved his strength and explosiveness and I think it’s fair to say he’s now got a bit of that (Collingwood star) Brody Mihocek style work rate about him.
“And because of his lack of football experience his upside his massive.’’
Eagle Patrick Weckert attempts a mark opposed to Port Adelaide’s [PLAYERCARD]Tom Clurey[/PLAYERCARD] in the SANFL game at Woodville Oval on Sunday. Picture: Cory Sutton/SANFL

Eagle Patrick Weckert attempts a mark opposed to Port Adelaide’s Tom Clurey in the SANFL game at Woodville Oval on Sunday. Picture: Cory Sutton/SANFL
Central District’s Jez McLennan with the Fos Williams Medal as the SANFL’s best player against the VFL this month. Picture: David Mariuz/SANFL

Central District’s Jez McLennan with the Fos Williams Medal as the SANFL’s best player against the VFL this month. Picture: David Mariuz/SANFL
Dashing half-back flanker Beecken, who turned 23 last week, is a late bloomer who was expected to get drafted after the Eagles won their second of back-to-back premierships in 2021.
The grandson of legendary football administrator and SA Football Hall of Fame inductee John Condon, he appears to have taken his game to the next level this season, having averaged 22 disposals, five marks and four rebound 50s.
The 184cm backman has chalked up 56 disposals in the past two matches and oozes AFL qualities with his size, running power and excellent kick.
Hard-as-nails midfielder D’Aloia, 20, was overlooked at the past two national drafts, despite being SA’s under-18 captain in 2022 and winning the state’s MVP medal and team-first player’s player award.
Like Weckert and Beecken, he has blossomed at league level this season, averaging 28 disposals, nine clearances, six tackles and six inside 50s.
Running halfback McLennan, 23, spent four years on Gold Coast’s AFL list after being selected at pick 23 at the 2018 national draft.
But he did not play an AFL game before being delisted at the end of 2022, when he returned to the Bulldogs.
Woodville-West Torrens defender Luke Beecken with his grandfather and legendary SA football administrator John Condon. Picture: Keryn Stevens

Woodville-West Torrens defender Luke Beecken with his grandfather and legendary SA football administrator John Condon. Picture: Keryn Stevens

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McLennan was selected in last year’s The Advertiser SANFL Team of the Year and has this season played even better for the unbeaten Dogs.
He won the prestigious Fos Williams Medal as SA’s best player in the win against VFL earlier this month, recording 26 disposals and eight marks across halfback.
The 184cm McLennan is averaging 25 disposals, seven marks and six rebound 50s for Central.
Exciting Panthers key forward Howes, 18, has overcome a series of bad injuries to make his presence felt on the league stage this season.
He has kicked four goals and averaged four marks in a struggling side, impressing with his powerful marking and long kicking after booting 3.3 in South’s under-18 grand final win against Sturt last year.
Midfield hard nut Ryan, 20, was considered unlucky not to have been drafted in his first draft eligible year in 2022.
A strong contested ball winner who does his best work at stoppages, he possesses clean, quick hands, tidy skills, great tackling ability and an extremely high work rate.
Ryan finished equal-seventh in last year’s Magarey Medal count, polling 17 votes, while becoming the first West player to win the Powerade Breakthrough Player award.
He has improved even further this season, averaging 23 disposals, 11 tackles and six clearances and won the Russell Ebert Medal as best afield in the Round 2 win against Port Adelaide at Waikerie.
Eagle Adam D'Aloia tackles Central District’s Harry Grant. Picture: David Mariuz/SANFL

Eagle Adam D'Aloia tackles Central District’s Harry Grant. Picture: David Mariuz/SANFL
West Adelaide’s Kobe Ryan marks in front of Sturt’s Casey Voss. Picture: David Mariuz/SANFL

West Adelaide’s Kobe Ryan marks in front of Sturt’s Casey Voss. Picture: David Mariuz/SANFL
Port SANFL coach Hamish Hartlett, a former West teammate of Ryan’s, rates him so highly that he said in the pre-season that if he could pinch a player from a rival club to play for his team he would choose Ryan.
Key defender Patton, 19 and 193cm, is, like Weckert, a former gun cricketer.
Patton played First-Grade for Adelaide as a batsman before focusing on football in his draft year.
He was SA’s under-18 captain last year and the only draft-eligible Croweater to make the All-Australian team.
Patton has this season cemented himself in West’s league side at centre half-back and was one of the Bloods’ best in their narrow loss to unbeaten Norwood in Port Lincoln last Saturday, with 16 disposals and five marks.
Glenelg premiership forward/midfielder Archie Lovelock, 19, Tigers tall Riley Holder, 21, and Bloods 197cm key defender Darcy Minchella, 19, are three other young SA prospects who have caught the eye in the lead-up to the mid-season draft after previously being overlooked.
Now they play the waiting game.
South Adelaide’s Noah Howes celebrates one of his three goals for the Panthers against the Crows in Round 1. Picture: David Mariuz/SANFL

South Adelaide’s Noah Howes celebrates one of his three goals for the Panthers against the Crows in Round 1. Picture: David Mariuz/SANFL
West Adelaide’s Will Patton. Picture: Cory Sutton/SANFL

West Adelaide’s Will Patton. Picture: Cory Sutton/SANFL

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Matty Carr’s young bloke Jaren, debuts for the Bulldogs this weekend in the WAFL. Matt played 134 games for Freo so Jaren is eligible as a father son pick. Haven’t seen him play but if he inherits his dads height and mongrel, could be one to watch?
 
nurries said:
Matty Carr’s young bloke Jaren, debuts for the Bulldogs this weekend in the WAFL. Matt played 134 games for Freo so Jaren is eligible as a father son pick. Haven’t seen him play but if he inherits his dads height and mongrel, could be one to watch?
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Even better if he has his uncle’s mongrel.


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nurries said:
Matty Carr’s young bloke Jaren, debuts for the Bulldogs this weekend in the WAFL. Matt played 134 games for Freo so Jaren is eligible as a father son pick. Haven’t seen him play but if he inherits his dads height and mongrel, could be one to watch?
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Jaren Carr is 20yo and just making his WAFL debut. The odds of him making it onto an AFL list from there would be small. Hopefully the young man has a good career wherever he ends up.
 

Draft wipeout: Fears talent pathways won’t cater for 19 clubs as WA could prove canary in coal mine​

Is there enough draftable talent for 19 AFL clubs once the Devils arrive? One recruiter says there isn’t even enough for 18 at the moment, as Western Australia braces for an historic low.

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Western Australia is bracing for its worst ever national draft as fears escalate that the country’s talent pathways will not be capable of producing enough elite players for 19 AFL clubs.
Several clubs say there is currently not a single West Australian they would select while Tasmania struggles to consistently develop AFL talent. WA typically produces about 16 per cent of the draft pool and had 14 players selected last year.
But that is set for a dramatic fall in a year where Fremantle holds three first-round selections and West Coast is likely to have a top-four pick.
“There’s not enough draftable players for 19 clubs,” one recruiting expert said.
“I don’t think there will be a West Australian legitimately drafted this year – that’s how bad WA is at the moment. It’s the worst year for talent they’ve ever seen.
“There’s not enough kids for 18 clubs at the moment. Some of that could be because kids never got the games into them during Covid. But WA didn’t have lockdown like Victoria did.”
Two Sandgropers – Bo Allan and Malakai Champion – made the under-fire AFL National Academy squad of 30 this year. But they are not regarded as certainties to make the grade.
Malakai Champion is one of the few WA prospects who is looking like he could be drafted. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images.

Malakai Champion is one of the few WA prospects who is looking like he could be drafted. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images.

Champion is tied to West Coast’s next generation academy, although the Eagles would prefer to take him as a category B rookie, rather than on their primary list.
There was a suspicion that Tasmania would again withdraw from this year’s U15 national school carnival after last year’s uncompetitive return.
Tassie lost its first two matches 12.10 (82) to 1.5 (11) and 20.13 (133) to 0.1 (1), despite attracting strong numbers to their trials on the back of the 19th licence announcement.
School Sports Australia confirmed that Tasmania had lodged forms this week to play in the U15s competition, but not the U12s.
Experts believe the talent pathways are layered with problems, arguably led by the deepening dearth of Indigenous talent.
Some cannot understand why the AFL is forking out big sums of money to fly a Northern Territory team in for Coates Leagues matches, given it is not their football season and many players do not want to be in chilly Melbourne.
NT has lost to Western Jets 24.21 (165) to 2.4 (16) and to Tasmania 17.15 (117) to 4.8 (32).
The loss to Tassie was especially alarming when compared to other results.
That Devils team was pipped by the GWS Academy, which Sandringham Dragons pumped by 114 points with half of their private school boys absent.
Elsewhere, some clubs flagged concerns that Riley Onley was the only Murray Bushranger picked for Vic Country between Shepparton and the NSW border. They think the AFL should send officials to flagging parts of the country to investigate whether kids have turned to rival sports since Covid.
Bo Allan is one of WA’s top talents. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images.

Bo Allan is one of WA’s top talents. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images.

WA talent boss Adam Jones was hopeful that a poor 2024 would prove an anomaly.
“We’re a little bit lower on our depth and potentially top-end talent,” he said.
“But I’m still confident in seven or eight guys. We’ve got eight bottom-age kids in our (U18) squad of 30, which is a really high contingent. That says a bit about what we’ll have next year, and the 16s group looks pretty strong as well.”
The state recently set up a talent committee as part of a review into its pathway programs.
“The next 45 that are playing state leagues essentially are going to get opportunities on a list with a new team coming in,” Jones said.
“We’re now getting our U18s squad in for an 11-12 week pre-season. Do we do something similar starting at U15-U16 to really get some better development in the state? Some greater investment from the AFL would go along way to helping that as well.
“The state school boys is one that we’re potentially looking at a greater investment in, which is run separately to the (WA) Football Commission.
“But is it worth our while putting investment into beefing up a program that’s already running to give the players involved better development and a better link in with our state U16s?
“I think they’re some really low-hanging fruit that will have a decent impact.
“The selection process around that is a little bit flawed. So how can we help those programs select the best kids in the state and then really beef-up the program?“
“It’s a poor competition in that they play five games in seven days, so it’s a massive toll. I’ve never really supported it because of things like that, and the families have got to pay.
“It’s a bit flawed, but it’s there – so we’re thinking do we try and make it better?
“It’ll definitely help our players if we have more investment.”
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
Before I go on my rant about schools and the PSA again which seems to bring in school fanboys, SA and VIC have one system for colts / developing kids right? They dont have to play between different programs and different coaches?
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Victorian kids play for schools and their regional side.

That's how guys like Brayshaw, LDU, Constable play for Sandringham/Dandenong/Sandringham and all together at Haileybury college under Matt Lloyd I believe.
 
Taylor said:
Victorian kids play for schools and their regional side.

That's how guys like Brayshaw, LDU, Constable play for Sandringham/Dandenong/Sandringham and all together at Haileybury college under Matt Lloyd I believe.
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Do you know if the regional side or school takes preference
 
Luke Cotellessa is a talented young mid from WA building his case as a draft fancy for 2024. His reaction speed and anticipation at stoppage allows him to get first hands on the footy, and his agility and first step gives him the space to get a clean disposal away. On the outside, Luke has strong foot skills and the poise to make excellent decisions with ball in hand.

 
If we are picking with some teen picks, Zak Johnson is someone that I think we may look at closely.

 
Firstly I have no firsthand knowledge at all about the quality of this draft, however I think not having draftable players is probably a lot to do with how the draft has changed in recent years - sure there has been expansion but now there is also a mid season draft and the supplementary selection period.

That makes is straight away a worse proposition to draft a player who will be project - then add to that a rookie draftee being a free agent for life when out of contract.

I mean 4 of the 13 picks in the last mid-season draft were WA players albeit one was playing in the VFL (Narkle).
 
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