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I wonder why neither GC nor Port preferred to deal with North. Their first pick next year should be a good one.
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Traded Dan Houston - Joins Collingwood as part of 3-way trade with Port and GC
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where did I say that? can you show me? Sure, Houston is a good player. Is your comprehension that poor that you can't understand that its unwise for some clubs who are no where near the premiership window to chase a good player? Houston will be very good for 3 years. Meanwhile, you've got an aging list with Tasmania coming. And are now further away from winning a flag due to throwing valuable picks away. Something the dees avoided.
The dees came 14th this year, with no backup ruck for life after Gawn. No fullback for life after May, no midfield depth and no big key forwards to help Van Rooyen so can you tell me how Houston gets us from 14th to 1st in 3 years? I'll await your response.
Footy is about winning flags not being 'relevant' by coming 5th-12th
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Back where you belong, near the bottom
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I agree it’s about winning flags. Collingwood might have missed finals this year but they were also 2 games and percentage away from top 4. With two draws and a horrible injury run. They beat the team who became premiers at the end of the season and came within a whisker of beating the minor premiers at their home ground. They just addressed their two biggest deficiencies
They recruited to fill their two biggest needs this off season. The pies are aiming to win flags. Melbourne are aiming to become mediocre again.
Gonna enjoy seeing Petracca run around in black and white and Oliver run around in hoops in 2026.
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I actually agree with you to a certain degree. If you think that Houston could make the difference between a flag and not winning a flag than thats fine. I don't agree that he makes that difference but if you do then I can understand why you're excited about Houston.
You won 2 more games than the dees, who had worse injuries and we also beat or challenged a lot of the best teams.
Collingwood are so old, and your list is now a year older. I want Petracca and Oliver to go. More picks to generate a premiership winning list.We're closer to a flag than you are. Because you'll probably go up to 7th and then crash to bottom 3 such is your list. You've got 0 good kids outside of Daicos. Dees have pick 5 and 9, to join Windsor and McVee etc.
You didn't explain to me how Houston would win the dees a flag. I knew you couldn't answer that question.
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The only thing I took from this is that you have really no idea about where the Magpies list is actually at and are just parroting Kane Cornes.
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yep. avoided the question again. duly noted.
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Pies haven't finished bottom 8 since 2021
Cool, we can win it from there!
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salty about what?...have you been living under a rock? This is a day of celebration for me. I wanted no part of Houston. Flagpies? Maybe make the finals first. lolOh how salty we are.working on Trac for 2026....
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The Port stripes are their tradition, good on them.
We had black and white stripes first, so we get to keep them in this league.
No problem if Port wear the "prison bars" occasionally, eg to give Crows strokes in their derbys.
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I think this trades kinda proves that Collingwood don't really need draft picks like other teams do, sure they will have to use more picks for their future F/S and academy (if they get bid on) But they have proven time and time again that they will always have players wanting to come to them so they will always be able to low ball. Mix that with decent recruiting from mid season trade/draft and normally getting decent returns from their departing players I just don't see them falling anytime soon.
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Every chance they do fall away but if my club had just won a flag and the organisation felt they had another one there if they got a few quality players in I’d be all for it
No prizes for 18th through 2nd
Would prefer to get a flag every 10 years if it meant 8 years of irrelevance outside of them to be honest, flags are all that matter as a measure of performance
Then again, why couldn’t they do what Geelong has done?
Just like seeing this type of risk
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9 players 32 years and older. They're going to be the next Richmond if they don't win a flag in the next 2 years with the amount that they've given away and the lack of young talent on their list.
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If we win one it’s worth a rebuild. Rather that than keep getting top 5 picks and winning nothing like some clubs..
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Exactly, even if you don’t it’s worth a throw at the stumps
You’ll never trade Nick, Josh and Darcy and outside of them the only players who would attract first round currency are:
- Bruz
- Schultz (Maybe)
- Quaynor (Maybe)
- McCreery (Maybe)
So why would you try to middle out now (I.e. make no trades, probably finish 6th to 10th) or trade for the future and guarantee that you’ll be bad for a few years?
Nick is a top 5 player, could be #1
Josh is one of the best wings in the comp
Darcy had a bad year but lacked support, will be back to AA contention or at least a very good defender in 25
Cameron is one of the best rucks in the comp
JDG has at least one or two good years left as an explosive mid beast
Pendles, Howe, Sidebottom, Mitchell, WHE, Crisp, McStay etc. are all older but very good players that play in most teams 22’s.
Just think it makes sense to go all out and try to win another, who gives a **** if you’re shit in 5 years if you win two (or even just the one in 2023)
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I think Hawks have shown that hitting the draft can put you pretty quickly into premiership contention. But yeah, obviously if you win one, it's worth it.
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Well put. So much spoken about "the cliff", as if the club has used all its chips on two late stagers to try and get us over the line. Houston and Perryman are every bit long-term pick-ups at 27 and 25 years of age. They will quite literally assist the rebuild as quality core players.
Collingwood's 2028 side will be led by N Daicos (25), J Daicos (28), Hill (28), Quaynor (28), Perryman (29), Houston (31), Schultz (31), Maynard (32), Moore (32), De Goey (32), Cameron (33) and McCreery (27). Crisp (35), McStay (33) and Lipinski (30) could potentially still form part of this team also.
You can never say never but I'll be pretty shocked if that is the core of a side wedged at the bottom of the ladder. Of course there are variances - a couple of these players might be traded or retire prematurely, but it is equally possible Collingwood could attract similar or better players through free agency or trade.
Too early to call as opportunities have been scarce, but Allan (24), Harrison (25), Smit (23) and DeMattia (23) are already listed Pies who we're excited about, and there's McGuane (21) who is projecting as a first round selection next year.
We didn't have the currency to hit the draft hard this year, and it would have been foolish to cash in on any prime players with value. Houston fell into our hands, and as far as I'm aware, pick 13 was only attainable if we put up our F1 with Noble, with another later pick sliding back our way. So either we have pick 13 with no F1, we keep F1 but are still light for picks in this draft, or we have Houston with no F1. Seeing as you dream of taking a player like Houston with pick 13, I know which I prefer.
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Quite the opposite, actually. Do a deep dive into how the Hawks have built their list and you'll be shocked.
In their two finals sides, the Hawks only had three first round selections of their own playing - Watson, Weddle and Ward. They have built a seriously competitive side mostly through shrewd trading (Meek, Chol, D'Ambrosio, Ginnivan, Frost, Scrimshaw, Impey), FAs (Amon) and picking exceptionally well with late picks (Lewis pick 76, Worpel pick 45, Nash rookie, Newcombe MSD, Moore 67, Dear 56, Sicily 56, Hardwick 44, CJ rookie)
If there is one thing the Hawks haven't put on display in their rapid rebuild, it's the need to acquire and nail early selections. Grainger-Barras was a pick 6 and will be delisted whilst Mackenzie and Ward (both pick 7) are not in their best side and don't look inspiring pick ups.
The Hawks have continued to make the most of the players available in trade and free agency by adding Battle and Barrass.
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Thank you for saving me the trouble of posting this. The Hawks building their current side through hitting the drafts with early picks is the biggest myth in the AFL right now.
Wow just heard Dan on SEN. During the season was basically communicating with Dees and was destined there ……. but as time moved on with the off field stuff popping up it changed his mind and was then open to a few clubs. Sounds like a quality person and admire his honesty when he was asked by Andrew
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He simply makes Collingwood a much better side, Perryman adds much needed depth through the middle and with a bit more luck with injuries to key players, Pies will be right back in the hunt next season, Pies are never down for long.
