List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Shermanator]

I’m fairly sure this won’t be the case. It’s not just pick [emoji638] that can be split. There are futures to play with. We will definitely have more top [emoji638][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]] picks in this draft


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[Yoko and me]

The Kane hate parade need to watch this, nothing but positivity and facts from him.

My shoes squelch better commentary and opinion than Kane.

 

[Cyber_punk]

 

[Yoko and me]

At least we found Clarko's username.

These talking head ponces do my head in - as if Damien Barrett has ever displayed more knowledge about football than the average kid on the street.

The real lesson of trade advertising subscription week is how low standard the AFL Media is. I dare say a media company with more viv could trump bog standard 'hutchy'. AFL had already sold free tv away from members. Sell the players against their will. Sell the clubs to new markets.

Why would anyone in their right mind suggest cornes had anything worthwhile to say?

I love North but the AFL is fecked.

I am a busy living man and can't wait for the three generations it will take for the competition to die from haemophilia

 

[Makeshift Park]

Not sure about that. Demons might be the one to watch, they are not afraid to pull the trigger.

2 for 5 and 9 doesn’t make sense for them.

You won’t find a dees fan who thinks it’s an improvement on their hand.

 

[iloveireland]

2 + 62 -> 1?

 

[DuckYeah]

Both parties have leverage.

Our leverage is that if we don't get a satisfactory offer for pick 2, then one of Carlton, Adelaide or Melbourne will take their second favourite player.

Their leverage is that there's no one else for us to deal with.

We’ll take Lalor then, out of sheer spite!

 

[DuckYeah]

These mates?

 

[Samsquanch]

Future first for pick 11? Could be 18 if you win the premiership.

Could also be Top 3 or 4. You take the death ride and enjoy it!

 

[Orange Peanut]

My shoes squelch better commentary and opinion than Kane.

Welcome back!

 

[Samsquanch]

My shoes squelch better commentary and opinion than Kane.

Only when you step on dog shit Yoko.

 

[Ura]

Could also be Top 3 or 4. You take the death ride and enjoy it!

I would want F1 for 11 and another pick

 

[DesertRoo]

Future first for pick 11? Could be 18 if you win the premiership.

I like your optimism son but come on..... we've won half a dozen games in five years.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I've ranked our trade period: 69

Can you give us some more detail?

 

[HELLSBELLS]

Can you give us some more detail?

Dinner for 2

 

[CURVE]

We have the leverage

More than happy to take Lalor/FOS at 2 if it’s not at least 6 and 11 coming back

There is no way we get 6 and 11 for pick 2, the points difference is too great, it's over 550pts which is the equivalent of a late second round pick, Richmond would be stupid to even consider it unless we included a future first or second to get it over the line, and I would hope we aren't stupid enough to give away our future first.

Also, I don't think we have the leverage, we are the ones with only one pick in the first three rounds and are desperate to get a second first round pick, all the clubs know we have gone midfield heavy over the last 3 or 4 drafts and looking at KP talent this draft and it's probably too big a risk to take someone like an Armstrong, Trainor or whomever with the second pick.

If Richmond offer 6 and 18, I'd suggest we take it and try and use 18 and future pick to move up further if we fear a player we are targeting may get poached by another club.

 

[Caracas]

Richmond will want pick 2, its unlikely they would want to take all those picks in one draft, be a list manager’s nightmare.

Whats the best we’ll ask for 6 n 10 but will settle for 6 and 11. Might end up costing us a future 4th

I would have thought that having Pick 2 gives us a fair degree of leverage. I wouldn’t cry too much if we ended up with only Pick 2 and Pick 62 this year. We’ve already drafted in a swag of young talent. Pick 2 gives us a real shot at bringing in another bonafide gun. Both Larkey and Zurhaar came from the very dregs of the draft.

 

[DesertRoo]

I would have thought that having Pick 2 gives us a fair degree of leverage. I wouldn’t cry too much if we ended up with only Pick 2 and Pick 62 this year. We’ve already drafted in a swag of young talent. Pick 2 gives us a real shot at bringing in another bonafide gun. Both Larkey and Zurhaar came from the very dregs of the draft.

Pick 2 would have leverage if we were gunning for one of the top mids.
we've announced to the world we ain't after mids, so teams know we want to trade it out.
we are our own worst enemy

 

[The Filth Wizard]

we've announced to the world we ain't after mids,

No we haven't.

If we hold 2 we'll draft a POD mid.

 

[chickenonachain]

There is no way we get 6 and 11 for pick 2, the points difference is too great, it's over 550pts which is the equivalent of a late second round pick, Richmond would be stupid to even consider it unless we included a future first or second to get it over the line, and I would hope we aren't stupid enough to give away our future first.

Also, I don't think we have the leverage, we are the ones with only one pick in the first three rounds and are desperate to get a second first round pick, all the clubs know we have gone midfield heavy over the last 3 or 4 drafts and looking at KP talent this draft and it's probably too big a risk to take someone like an Armstrong, Trainor or whomever with the second pick.

If Richmond offer 6 and 18, I'd suggest we take it and try and use 18 and future pick to move up further if we fear a player we are targeting may get poached by another club.

Comparing points to picks to me is a useless exercise. If a club wants pick two they have to pay for it if they don’t want to pay we keep simples.

 

[DesertRoo]

No we haven't.

If we hold 2 we'll draft a POD mid.

didn't Brady talk about it one of those member QnA things posted online?

 

[CURVE]

Comparing points to picks to me is a useless exercise. If a club wants pick two they have to pay for it if they don’t want to pay we keep simples.

Whether comparing points is useless or not is irrelevant, the points system is used by all clubs, especially when it comes to trading draft picks.

If a club is desperate to trade for pick 2 in this draft, I'd expect them to pay overs, but I wouldn't think they wouldn't be stupid enough to overpay the equivalent of a late second rounder unless the player they are after is a Harley Reid or Nick Daicos type, and my understanding is there is no one in this draft of that quality.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

didn't Brady talk about it one of those member QnA things posted online?

I can't say I recall that at all. If we hold 2 then it will be for a reason (being the acquisition of FOS, Draper etc) as there will be buyers. If we split back I daresay it won't be for our convenience hence the talk it would only be a light slide.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

There is no way we get 6 and 11 for pick 2, the points difference is too great, it's over 550pts which is the equivalent of a late second round pick, Richmond would be stupid to even consider it unless we included a future first or second to get it over the line, and I would hope we aren't stupid enough to give away our future first.

Also, I don't think we have the leverage, we are the ones with only one pick in the first three rounds and are desperate to get a second first round pick, all the clubs know we have gone midfield heavy over the last 3 or 4 drafts and looking at KP talent this draft and it's probably too big a risk to take someone like an Armstrong, Trainor or whomever with the second pick.

If Richmond offer 6 and 18, I'd suggest we take it and try and use 18 and future pick to move up further if we fear a player we are targeting may get poached by another club.

Richmond wanting to stick it up Carlton is worth 550 points

 

[Sphynx]

There is no way we get 6 and 11 for pick 2, the points difference is too great, it's over 550pts which is the equivalent of a late second round pick, Richmond would be stupid to even consider it unless we included a future first or second to get it over the line, and I would hope we aren't stupid enough to give away our future first.

Also, I don't think we have the leverage, we are the ones with only one pick in the first three rounds and are desperate to get a second first round pick, all the clubs know we have gone midfield heavy over the last 3 or 4 drafts and looking at KP talent this draft and it's probably too big a risk to take someone like an Armstrong, Trainor or whomever with the second pick.

If Richmond offer 6 and 18, I'd suggest we take it and try and use 18 and future pick to move up further if we fear a player we are targeting may get poached by another club.

We may only have 1 pick, but we are also one of the clubs with more first round talent than most of them combined already on the list. We are the ones with a 3rd year Sheezel who was statistically the second best teenager to grace an AFL field in history this season. etc. We already have top end talent, game breakers (probably to the extent that aren't even in this draft) We can afford far more risk than they can.

One of your lines is one I keep reading frequently around the forums and it’s frustrating. “All the clubs know we have gone midfield heavy”.

Yeah, so? We still have depth to flesh out there, unless you don't think FOS on a wing opposite McKercher wouldn't have opposition coaches nervous in the coming years? We played Dylan Stephens and Liam Shiels at times on the wings last year. A McKercher & FOS wing combo is an absolute game changer in the coming years.

All the clubs also know we unearthed one of the best rucks in the comp last season.

We had Comben average the most intercept marks per game behind only Andrews and Taylor when in his first season in defence last season. He looked every bit an elite top line CHB all year.

Larkey 1 season removed from an AA jacket and a 70 goal season.

We took 2 x talls in the first round of last years draft also.


Talls are definately a list need, but we are nowhere near the position we were pre the 2023 draft with the seasons Xerri and Comben have just had. Both bailed out Brady, big time.

Ideally we take a KPF this year, but best available and best value still remains the priority. Whether it Lalor or FOS, both easily fit in nicely long term in our side.

Can Richmond afford to trade 4 of their senior players, take in 10,000 points to the draft and walk away with just Lalor and a maybe 1-2 other genuine mids who might in reality be 10-20 types in most drafts? Look at how Simpkin is attempting to now fit into a young (potentially elite) midfield group.

It wont be their only draft, but Lalor, Reid and Hynes is hardly Sheezel/Wardlaw/McKercher or adding Lombard to Rowell/Anderson etc is it?