Rumour Multiple GWS players are set to be suspended to start the 2025 season after distasteful costumes and skits from their post-season function

[iameviljez]

Sheesh - what’s with the catastrophising?
Isn’t this the first mad Monday issue in quite some time? I don’t know- ever even? Doesn’t that tell you most of the players/clubs know where to draw the line? Carry on as usual I’d say to all the rest, and gws can lift their game.

Since the dressups thing started with Geelong in the late 2000s (at least AFAIK), this is the first one I can think of. And even then, if it weren't for the skit, I don't think it would have gone public like it has.

 

[Romeoh1]

I’d rather they said “… because someone’s going to recognise you, and film you, or record you, and we’ll get to hear about it, and whether you or we like it or not, there could be repercussions. That’s just the world we live in, and the price we pay for being well known.”

But do you seriously think the clubs haven’t already been giving these guidelines for years now? Isn’t this the sort of thing that is on the players’ radar all the time now?
And a handful of gws players are the only ones who haven’t understood the message? What does that tell us? More about that group of 6 players who didn’t get it, or more about the 99% who get it? I’m actually pretty chuffed that the vast majority of the players do have a clue.

 

[Sherrinator]

Came here to check up on the Hawthorn scandal 20th hand victims. Did not disappoint

 

[Sherrinator]

Sure it is- please give me the list of other mad Mondays where players have been fined.

Most bartenders don’t use blackmail tactics i guess

 

[Sherrinator]

Which is basically impossible, and that's a big societal problem.

Stop blaming others for your screen addiction

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Most bartenders don’t use blackmail tactics i guess

This.

No evidence of it happening before may well be because no one has bothered to report it.

 

[gambinotosserflog]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/te...t/news-story/5d443947be0764d2b6c47706fb334d7e

There you have it.

Making one joke in a private setting that the person working at the bar hears is worthy of a 4 game AFL suspension

This is East German Stasi bullshit. What a joke. Used to live across the road from The Wooly Bay hotel. Hope it gets boycotted.

 

[WillHayward]

Lots of morally and ethically superior intellectual folk on here.

Regardless.

This has GWS flag written all over it.

 

[Consolaçao]

I don't accept that because if you're going to take a commercial stance over ethics you have to apply it across the board not pick and choose when to do it which us what they've done.

They also won't own it and be honest about why they are applying the penalties. The CEO of the afl who is ex ex lawyer no less is standing there blatantly pretending the afl cares about women's rights or domestic violence etc when the afl couldn't care less about it (their approach to gambling shows it).

If anything I'm most annoyed at the journalists. When he started spouting this they should have interrupted him, pointed out the gambling issue and asked him why the afl is being hypocritical. And when he refused to answer it properly (which is likely) the journalists should have all walked out of the press conference and refused to their editors to cover the story. Sure the afl probably would have put a spin press conference on their website anyway but at least the journalists wouldn't be condoning such lies and spin and they would be forcing the afl to own their own falsehood.

Unfortunately most people don't know how to critically think and base their views on how the media frames stories to them so this matters. As a society we need to demand a hell of a lot better from both our sporting bodies like the afl and the media. It's obvious why society has such a problem dealing with these issues when it doesn't stand up for ethics.

Mostly agree with that.

The challenge for journalists though is that any criticism of the process, or a principled defence of players' freedom to be d***heads in private is going to be willfully misinterpreted by swathes of people as defence of rape or some other nonsense.

Think about it: if you were a journalist in a highly competitive industry, would you threaten your career by making the above arguments and copping an absolute pile-on from everyone else who feels the same incentives as you do to conform to the lowest-risk perspective? Or would you just play a small target and tow the line?

Maybe I was a bit rough on journalists. I don't applaud their cowardice, but I understand it. I still reckon the buck stops with the people.

 

[iameviljez]

Most bartenders don’t use blackmail tactics i guess

Complaining to the parent organisation isn't blackmail, that would only be if they used the threat to extort money... which is a ****ing long bow to draw.

 

[Chief]

It's the most ludicrous thing to suggest people can't do things because someone might get upset about it.

You think people can't get upset about "things"?

 

[Bostonian]

You think people can't get upset about "things"?

Get upset over whatever you want.

Doesn't mean anyone else has to give a toss about why or what you're upset over.

 

[Chief]

Get upset over whatever you want.

Doesn't mean anyone else has to give a toss about why or what you're upset over.

I think many people see care and consideration for others as being a part of a civil society.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I think many people see care and consideration for others as being a part of a civil society.

Depends on if that person is also part of the same social contract. Of course no one would want to upset others, but there is a level to what hurting someone's feelings generates as a social punishment in response. Would you execute someone for upsetting someone? Of course not. Would you imprison someone? I'd hope not. Would you fine someone for upsetting someone else? I'd say absolutely not, and here appears to be the line that the morally repugnant among us begin to draw. That because someone is upset, the person upsetting is deserving of a financial or greater penalty. The only thing the social contract (in my opinion) demands of someone who has upset someone else is an apology or a sense of empathy. Demanding anything more is cruel and unusual.

 

[Aussie in exile]

It really is time to move on from this and accept that a majority of footballers are dumb as dog ####, and fine them and tell them not to do it again, but being footballers they probably will.

 

[iameviljez]

It really is time to move on from this and accept that a majority of footballers are dumb as dog ####, and fine them and tell them not to do it again, but being footballers they probably will.

The one genius who played footy (Justin Clarke) was unfortunately one of the guys who had to retire due to too many concussions.

Now a Rhodes Scholar and doing a PhD in Engineering.

 

[Aussie in exile]

The one genius who played footy (Justin Clarke) was unfortunately one of the guys who had to retire due to too many concussions.

Now a Rhodes Scholar and doing a PhD in Engineering.

Well done to him

 

[gambinotosserflog]

Well done to him

Mike Fitzpatrick also.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Mike Fitzpatrick also.

And well done to him as well.
The reality is though you wouldn't want someone like Buddy Franklin teaching your kids or grandkids Math, English, and that would apply to a majority of them.

 

[iameviljez]

And well done to him as well.
The reality is though you wouldn't want someone like Buddy Franklin teaching your kids or grandkids Math, English, and that would apply to a majority of them.

I have heard people hypothesise that being smart gets in the way of playing well in a contact sport - that if you actually thought seriously for a second about what you were about to do, and the cost/benefit of it, you wouldn't be so fast to do it.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Get upset over whatever you want.

Doesn't mean anyone else has to give a toss about why or what you're upset over.

Or in the words of Ricky Gervais:

 

[Bostonian]

I think many people see care and consideration for others as being a part of a civil society.

And if you walked around considering every single thing that might offend or upset someone in life you'd never do or say anything.

 

[gambinotosserflog]

You sound like youre expecting that staff should have signed NDAs before the event. If a worker feels unsafe at any stage before, during or after an event at their workplace, they are well within their rights to report it. Good on them for having the courage to speak out. If you want your actions to remain private, do them at home, not at a pub. Which is short for public house btw

"Unsafe". We are incredibly precious in 2024.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

 

[Saucery]

And well done to him as well.
The reality is though you wouldn't want someone like Buddy Franklin teaching your kids or grandkids Math, English, and that would apply to a majority of them.

Bet your life they would actually listen to Buddy. No chance of him teaching though, that profession (yes I laughed as I typed that, considering how they are valued these days) has little respect, less pay and no future. Better to be a well-paid coat hanger and laugh at those who call you a fool.