Free Agency Tom De Koning - Joins St Kilda as an RFA, Carlton get Band 1 compensation (Pick 9)

[Jeremias]

This thread might be going for a while. Please respect board rules and each other.

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[WalshistheGOAT]

You do understand that just because they are bottom that they may not be able to afford that deal.

Like you literally aren’t that silly right?

You understand that it’s a rumoured 1.7m per year for 7 years.

I think you'd have to be one of the stupidest human beings alive to think Richmond - who just got rid of Bolton, Baker, Graham and Rioli in one off season and are about to finish up their massive contract with Lynch couldn't match any bid the Saints can lmao.

They'll have more cash than an Oil Prince come October. Probably about 4 million extra from those 5 alone.

 

[stavro#4]

That's correct, and it's exactly why it will never get to that.

Tdk will either stay at the Blues for less or go to the Saints if the Blues are happy with the compo they'll get back for him. Be that via band 1 compo or via trade.

If the Blues made it known they're going to match a bid because they want more compensation than just band 1 and the Saints make it known they aren't willing to do facilitate a trade and give up draft picks then they'd all part ways and he'd be left with the Blues.

There's no situation where TDK is on the Blues books next year for 1.7mil a year.

If he doesn’t sign with you for less PRIOR TO THE TRADE PERIOD.

He will be at stkilda for 1.7m and it will be for band 1 compo.

It truly hasn’t been hard to understand how this will play out.

If you match. You will need to pay the 1.7m if we walk away when we can’t agree a deal with you. We won’t be paying the 1.7m to also give you trade assets.

Which you yourself asked for 3 first rounders and the other bloke asked for Marshall.

 

[angrynaut]

That's correct, and it's exactly why it will never get to that.

Tdk will either stay at the Blues for less or go to the Saints if the Blues are happy with the compo they'll get back for him. Be that via band 1 compo or via trade.

If the Blues made it known they're going to match a bid because they want more compensation than just band 1 and the Saints make it known they aren't willing to do facilitate a trade and give up draft picks then they'd all part ways and he'd be left with the Blues.

There's no situation where TDK is on the Blues books next year for 1.7mil a year.

If the Blues can't afford Tom, then it doesn't matter how happy they are with the compo pick my dude. There's no such thing as forcing a trade. If St Kilda say "we're not going to trade for Tom, match and pay him or let him sign with us and take your pick" then the Blues can do nothing but those two options.

Yes, I agree with you that this will all be worked out before anything is signed. Even a potential trade, if that were to happen. I just don't agree that any trade will happen, because the Saints are already overpaying in cash to such an extent that it'd be unwise for them to give up picks too.

 

[stavro#4]

I think you'd have to be one of the stupidest human beings alive to think Richmond - who just got rid of Bolton, Baker, Graham and Rioli in one off season and are about to finish up their massive contract with Lynch couldn't match any bid the Saints can lmao.

They'll have more cash than an Oil Prince come October. Probably about 4 million extra from those 5 alone.

And yet… no offer of 1.7m from Richmond for the next 7 years.

Maybe it’s because of the fact they’ll have 8 first rounders to be re-signing during this period. Potentially on huge money.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If the Blues can't afford Tom, then it doesn't matter how happy they are with the compo pick my dude. There's no such thing as forcing a trade. If St Kilda say "we're not going to trade for Tom, match and pay him or let him sign with us and take your pick" then the Blues can do nothing but those two options.

Yes, I agree with you that this will all be worked out before anything is signed. Even a potential trade, if that were to happen. I just don't agree that any trade will happen, because the Saints are already overpaying in cash to such an extent that it'd be unwise for them to give up picks too.

Go read up on the Jeremy Cameron trade. Its a couple minutes read and will save me the hassle of arguing with your lobotomized friend above any longer.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

And yet… no offer of 1.7m from Richmond for the next 7 years.

Maybe it’s because of the fact they’ll have 8 first rounders to be re-signing during this period. Potentially on huge money.

8 first rounders to re sign this trade period... Their deals don't expire for 3 years dude... You really are completely hopeless

 

[stavro#4]

8 first rounders to re sign this trade period... Their deals don't expire for 3 years dude... You really are completely hopeless

You are being this stupid on purpose aren’t you?

“During this period”

It’s common that players get signed to extensions within the first 12-24 months of their deals.

They have a handful of first rounders last year. They will have another 2 this year and who knows what else beyond.

If any of them show anything they are getting 5/6/700k a year deals pretty quickly.

Thats why it takes years to build your salary cap to the point you can create these mega deals. You bank cap so you can pay your 105% when required. You lock in your assets long term.

We just had Ross say Pou is close. It’s just Windhager and Nas left and our president made clear we have room for them and all the players we want to acquire.

 

[joop]

8 first rounders to re sign this trade period... Their deals don't expire for 3 years dude... You really are completely hopeless

He never said this trade period, he said Richmond will be re-signing all their first round picks during TDKs 7 year contract where they are paying him $1.7m a year. Not really that hard to understand.

 

[angrynaut]

Go read up on the Jeremy Cameron trade. Its a couple minutes read and will save me the hassle of arguing with your lobotomized friend above any longer.

The Jeremy Cameron trade happening doesn't change what I said. Yes, they matched and got a trade done. Doesn't mean the Saints have to make a trade in this situation, nor that the Blues can even afford to match.

To reiterate, if the Saints say "match or take the compo, we're not trading" then the Blues have two options: match or take the compo.

 

[ferrisb]

He might love surfing but I think a potential extra 500k a season I think I know what his choice might be

Pretty sure all surfers supplement their income by joining bank robbery rings.

Mate, haven't you seen Point Break?

 

[sexyhunk]

The Jeremy Cameron trade happening doesn't change what I said. Yes, they matched and got a trade done. Doesn't mean the Saints have to make a trade in this situation, nor that the Blues can even afford to match.

To reiterate, if the Saints say "match or take the compo, we're not trading" then the Blues have two options: match or take the compo.

spot on regarding jermemy cameron, the amount offered gws could have easily fit into their cap. it was already an understanding from both teams there will be a trade.

 

[Atomboy]

I didn’t really care if TDK came to the Saints or not, but after reading this thread I hope he comes just for the melts.

 

[joop]

I didn’t really care if TDK came to the Saints or not, but after reading this thread I hope he comes just for the melts.

Cue WalshistheGOAT ’i don’t even care’

 

[ferrisb]

Before the season I thought choosing between St Kilda and Carlton was a choice between money and success.

Now I think it's just a choice between money and less money...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Cue WalshistheGOAT ’i don’t even care’

 

[joop]

 

[THE_GUN]

I think you'd have to be one of the stupidest human beings alive to think Richmond - who just got rid of Bolton, Baker, Graham and Rioli in one off season and are about to finish up their massive contract with Lynch couldn't match any bid the Saints can lmao.

They'll have more cash than an Oil Prince come October. Probably about 4 million extra from those 5 alone.

You forget Martin & Grimes
Along with Cotchin & Riewoldt the year before

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Blues match

Saints walk

TDK either goes to the Saints as a free agent and Carlton receive a 1st Round DP or he stays at the Blues for an amount that breaks their Salary Cap or breaks their average list apart.

Carlton supporters ..... your club or the AFL can't force St Kilda to trade

Adelaide were going to match for Brad Crouch to force a trade because they didn't like the FA compensation but ...... they didn't because we said we would walk and they really weren't in a position to match amount to keep him if we walked

There is some really dumb reasoning/discussion being put forth here some Blues fans.

 

[theflyingviking]

Spot on

 

[BarkerFan]

That's correct, and it's exactly why it will never get to that.

Tdk will either stay at the Blues for less or go to the Saints if the Blues are happy with the compo they'll get back for him. Be that via band 1 compo or via trade.

If the Blues made it known they're going to match a bid because they want more compensation than just band 1 and the Saints make it known they aren't willing to do facilitate a trade and give up draft picks then they'd all part ways and he'd be left with the Blues.

There's no situation where TDK is on the Blues books next year for 1.7mil a year.

no. You cannot bluff on the matching. If you "make it known" they´re going to match, then you are telling TDK that you are going to match. If you offer TDK 1M a year and he says he wants to go to St. Kilda because they offered him 1.7, you cannot "make it known" that you are going to pay him 1.7 and then only pay him 1M!

the reason other clubs have been able to "force a trade" is because they really were willing to match the salary. As I said, you cannot bluff it!

 

[Forty3]

Blues match

Saints walk

TDK either goes to the Saints as a free agent and Carlton receive a 1st Round DP or he stays at the Blues for an amount that breaks their Salary Cap or breaks their average list apart.

Carlton supporters ..... your club or the AFL can't force St Kilda to trade

Adelaide were going to match for Brad Crouch to force a trade because they didn't like the FA compensation but ...... they didn't because we said we would walk and they really weren't in a position to match amount to keep him if we walked

There is some really dumb reasoning/discussion being put forth here some Blues fans.

That is actually not entirely true. After the saints paperwork is lodged, Carlton has 3 days to decide what they want to do.
If they are preparing to match and SOS comes out and says in no uncertain terms will he be trading anything for TDK. Then Carlton do have the ability, within that 3 day period to negotiate a contract with TDK that doesn't have to match the offer.

Whilst unlikely it gets to that, if he and his management decide they don't want to risk going through the draft process and the Saints have made their position clear on not dealing with a trade scenario, then the door is open for Carlton to work out an entirely different contract that would not be 1.7m a year, but it would be fair money and would remove the uncertainty of getting through the draft and ending up at the Saints.

Potentially he doesn't care where he goes as long as he gets the money, but there will be a long cue of clubs with "war chests" before you that I'm sure will have some pretty solid interest if he was to fall into their lap.

 

[Philhawk]

They'll know all those details before any paperwork gets submitted. If they know Carlton are going to match they'd know they're going to have to pony up or back down if they believe the price to be too steep.

Yah, that’s just not how it works.

The sheer amount of copium from certain Blues fans who believe Carlton will match, but then TDK will negotiate down “to help Carlton out”

 

[stavro#4]

That is actually not entirely true. After the saints paperwork is lodged, Carlton has 3 days to decide what they want to do.
If they are preparing to match and SOS comes out and says in no uncertain terms will he be trading anything for TDK. Then Carlton do have the ability, within that 3 day period to negotiate a contract with TDK that doesn't have to match the offer.

Whilst unlikely it gets to that, if he and his management decide they don't want to risk going through the draft process and the Saints have made their position clear on not dealing with a trade scenario, then the door is open for Carlton to work out an entirely different contract that would not be 1.7m a year, but it would be fair money and would remove the uncertainty of getting through the draft and ending up at the Saints.

Potentially he doesn't care where he goes as long as he gets the money, but there will be a long cue of clubs with "war chests" before you that I'm sure will have some pretty solid interest if he was to fall into their lap.

You might want to show the rules around this.

Because everything says that once an offer is lodged - a club only gets.

Right of First Refusal:
If a restricted free agent chooses to explore a free agency move, their current club has the right to match any offer made by another club.

Matching Offers:
If the current club matches the offer, the player must either stay with the club or seek a trade.

Nothing is mentioned about being able to negotiate a lesser deal once a player has agreed to a Fa contract with another club.

 

[Philhawk]

By some of the absurd logic in this thread, when every single club in the AFL is about to lose a player to RFA, they should always match as

• the player will help them out and negotiate the salary down to help club out
• the buying club will always cough up extra picks as “the AFLPA would be furious”

Pure insanity.

 

[Forty3]

You might want to show the rules around this.

Because everything says that once an offer is lodged - a club only gets.

Right of First Refusal:
If a restricted free agent chooses to explore a free agency move, their current club has the right to match any offer made by another club.

Matching Offers:
If the current club matches the offer, the player must either stay with the club or seek a trade.

Nothing is mentioned about being able to negotiate a lesser deal once a player has agreed to a Fa contract with another club.

The club that currently holds that player has a 3 day window to decide to match or not. Whilst very unlikely, within that three day period if the club has not yet submitted paperwork to match then there is this unique rule.

As I say, very unlikely it would ever come to this point, but here is the rule for you.

(k) Nothing in this Rule 17.5 prevents a Restricted Free Agent’s Current Club making an offer, or a Restricted Free Agent accepting an offer from his Current Club, in relation to a Player’s services on different terms to the Offer within three days of the Current Club receiving the Offer from the AFL.