Society/Culture Alex Pearce supports Palestine/promotes terrorism depending who you ask

[Harlott]

Kibbutz Re'im is over 7 kilometres from the border.

Concert was more like 5kms away.

 

[ZEV]

You said "just wow" earlier. Let’s stay with that for a moment.

Because “just wow” is exactly what someone says when they’ve never had to imagine life from behind the fence.

You pointed out that Kibbutz Re’im is over 7km from Gaza...as if that neatly boxes the problem up.

But the trauma doesn’t observe distance. Nor do drones, hunger or grief.

Save the Children reports over 14,000 kids killed in Gaza.
WHO says mental health collapse is now “near-total” for children.
Thousands are buried, uncounted. Entire families erased. That’s not propaganda, it's human statistics.

So when someone asks whether it was a good idea to throw a rave next to a prison, maybe don’t reach for Google Maps, reach for empathy for those children.


You said “just wow” before?
Yeah, same.

The group you support is now recuiting 13-14 year olds to serve in their battaliions.

The group you support used children to build their terror network tunnels.

The group you support vows to wipe my family and me from existence.

The group you support bans music.

The group you support bans homosexuality.

The group you support steals aid and profits from Palestinian hunger.

I've seen the group you support execute their own children to try and kill Israeli soldiers.

I've seen the group you support blow up their own civilians to try and kill me.

The group you support got your friends whole family killed.

I don't need to imagine life behind the "fence". I've been there. I know the truth.

Prison, get ****ed. It's a border. Next to it. Get ****ed. Google maps, get ****ed. I know the Negev better than you know your house.

We don't fear your terrorist group. We live our lives.

Everyone says Free Palestine, but complains about the cost of freedom.

 

[faible]

Everyone says Free Palestine, but complains about the cost of freedom.

People complain about war crimes, crimes against humanity, a violation of IHL and IHRL.

They complain about a likely genocide.

 

[RCAB]

People complain about war crimes, crimes against humanity, a violation of IHL and IHRL.

They complain about a likely genocide.

I personally wouldn't say likely, but I agree with with the rest of your post.

 

[jannissary]

The group you support is now recuiting 13-14 year olds to serve in their battaliions.

The group you support used children to build their terror network tunnels.

The group you support vows to wipe my family and me from existence.

The group you support bans music.

The group you support bans homosexuality.

The group you support steals aid and profits from Palestinian hunger.

I've seen the group you support execute their own children to try and kill Israeli soldiers.

I've seen the group you support blow up their own civilians to try and kill me.

The group you support got your friends whole family killed.

I don't need to imagine life behind the "fence". I've been there. I know the truth.

Prison, get ****ed. It's a border. Next to it. Get ****ed. Google maps, get ****ed. I know the Negev better than you know your house.

We don't fear your terrorist group. We live our lives.

Everyone says Free Palestine, but complains about the cost of freedom.

can i ask you a genuine, sincere question.

is it antisemetic to be against israel? is it anti semetic to be anti-zionist?

 

[RCAB]

can i ask you a genuine, sincere question.

is it antisemetic to be against israel? is it anti semetic to be anti-zionist?

Are you asking this in relation to Hamas, or just in general terms, to anybody who's critical?

 

[jannissary]

Are you asking this in relation to Hamas, or just in general terms, to anybody who's critical?

in general terms.

 

[RCAB]

in general terms.

No, it is not antisemitic to be against Israel. And it is certainly not antisemitic to be anti-Zionist.


Zionism is a political ideology. Judaism is a faith.
Critiquing a state’s actions (military, legal, or moral), is not the same as hating a people. Otherwise there would be a lot of Jews that are anti-semitic.

The IHRA definition is often cited, but even it has been criticised, including by its own co-authors for being used to silence legitimate Palestinian claims.

Being against apartheid in South Africa didn’t make someone anti-white. Being against American foreign policy doesn't make someone anti-Christian.

So being against war crimes in Gaza doesn’t make someone antisemitic.

The lines are being blurred intentionally because the more people fear they can’t speak out the more silence is viewed as complicity. That's their end game.

 

[jannissary]

No, it is not antisemitic to be against Israel. And it is certainly not antisemitic to be anti-Zionist.


Zionism is a political ideology. Judaism is a faith.
Critiquing a state’s actions (military, legal, or moral), is not the same as hating a people. Otherwise there would be a lot of Jews that are anti-semitic.

The IHRA definition is often cited, but even it has been criticised, including by its own co-authors for being used to silence legitimate Palestinian claims.

Being against apartheid in South Africa didn’t make someone anti-white. Being against American foreign policy doesn't make someone anti-Christian.

So being against war crimes in Gaza doesn’t make someone antisemitic.

The lines are being blurred intentionally because the more people fear they can’t speak out the more silence is viewed as complicity. That's their end game.

tbh i was trying to bait them into admitting their view on the faith is that judaism = zionism, ironically an anti-semetic perspective to hold.

 

[RCAB]

tbh i was trying to bait them into admitting their view on the faith is that judaism = zionism, ironically an anti-semetic perspective to hold.

Whether or not it was bait, that didn’t even cross my mind.
I was simply answering the question in good faith. Especially with a topic this complex and emotionally loaded, I don’t assume people enter these threads just to troll, even when their views are deeply entrenched or passionately expressed.

Disagreement isn’t always performance. Sometimes it’s just… trying to understand.

 

[ZEV]

can i ask you a genuine, sincere question.

tbh i was trying to bait them into admitting their view on the faith is that judaism = zionism, ironically an anti-semetic perspective to hold.

Can anyone perhaps see why Jews might have a little distrust?

 

[jannissary]

Can anyone perhaps see why Jews might have a little distrust?

doesn’t answer my question!

 

[Episode IV]

Can anyone perhaps see why Jews might have a little distrust?

Heh.

 

[CM86]

Can anyone perhaps see why Jews might have a little distrust?

Yes.

And for more reasons than most. And I'm I'm actively trying to call it out in this thread.


But can you understand why people can be oppositional to and distrusting of Israel and Israeli influence in Western countries?
Can you perhaps see why posters on this forum might have a little distrust of seemingly overtly pro-Israel posters?



You've got a poster in here who is saying that Israel was too comfortable, and didn't do the correct 'risk assessments'... I'd say that's more ignorant and hateful than the entire reason this thread was created for.

 

[ZEV]

Yes.

And for more reasons than most. And I'm I'm actively trying to call it out in this thread.


But can you understand why people can be oppositional to and distrusting of Israel and Israeli influence in Western countries?
Can you perhaps see why posters on this forum might have a little distrust of seemingly overtly pro-Israel posters?



You've got a poster in here who is saying that Israel was too comfortable, and didn't do the correct 'risk assessments'... I'd say that's more ignorant and hateful than the entire reason this thread was created for.

I have insufficient privileges to reply in that thread.

I have stated many times on this forum that I am an Israeli citizen. I have not made it a secret. In this thread I have been told that I should "imagine" what it is like in Palestine. By a poster who didn't have enough knowledge to recognise a clearly hebrew name. Who openly supports Hamas.

Your third paragraph troubles me. You can be pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian. I am.

 

[CM86]

I have insufficient privileges to reply in that thread.

I have stated many times on this forum that I am an Israeli citizen. I have not made it a secret. In this thread I have been told that I should "imagine" what it is like in Palestine. By a poster who didn't have enough knowledge to recognise a clearly hebrew name. Who openly supports Hamas.

Your third paragraph troubles me. You can be pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian. I am.

Yeah, there's a lot of racism.
You're hated for being Israeli by some posters. That's ignorant bigotry on their behalf.



What do you think about posters who think you were too complacent and comfortable in Israel, and as an Israeli?
What do you think about posters who think one of the reasons for October 7th, was because there wasn't enough risk assessment done?
That Israel forgot for a moment that sitting under a great big shield isn't a viable long term strategy. Particularly not when that great big shield has some holes in it which have been papered over for a long period of time.

What's your view on their understanding of the conflict and the outcomes of October 7th? And the attacks from Hezbollah from October 8th?


Would you say that these people have no ****ing idea what they're talking about? Or would you agree with them as long as they show support for Israel, overall?




What is your position on the culture that is able to fester, and be promoted in the IDF that allows war crimes?
What's your position on the slap on the wrist on people blocking aid to Palestinians?
What's your position on the West Bank?


Why do you think I used the word "overtly" in the that third paragraph?

 

[schneebly111]

No, it is not antisemitic to be against Israel. And it is certainly not antisemitic to be anti-Zionist.


Zionism is a political ideology. Judaism is a faith.
Critiquing a state’s actions (military, legal, or moral), is not the same as hating a people. Otherwise there would be a lot of Jews that are anti-semitic.


The lines are being blurred intentionally because the more people fear they can’t speak out the more silence is viewed as complicity. That's their end game.

I wonder how those who label criticism of Israel’s actions to be “anti semitic” do when confronted with these brave people:

 

[Carn The Berries]

Okay, look. Your people on the hill watching bombs are at the very least insensitive and bad. Probably enjoying murder of civilians but just not saying it. The people in the videos the other dude linked are overtly bad.

The point I am trying to make it I have never encountered these attitudes in anyone I’ve interacted with or even seen in “the comments sections”. Where as on the other hand, the notion that October 7 was justified is almost impossible to avoid.

Interestingly... Anyone who saw Alex Pearce's post wouldn't have had any idea that the source of it may or may not have more extreme views and therefore wouldn't haven't interacted with it.

So he should be expected to put disclaimers on everything he posts but because you hadn't seen something then those views aren't mainstream?

 

[ElectricG]

Interestingly... Anyone who saw Alex Pearce's post wouldn't have had any idea that the source of it may or may not have more extreme views and therefore wouldn't haven't interacted with it.

So he should be expected to put disclaimers on everything he posts but because you hadn't seen something then those views aren't mainstream?

Why are you being so coy about this. They wave around terrorist flags on stage and are now in trouble with the law. It’s not some contentious, debateable thing.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Why are you being so coy about this. They wave around terrorist flags on stage and are now in trouble with the law. It’s not some contentious, debateable thing.

Because the point I was making is that people viewing Pearce's post would have no idea who Kneecap are or what their views are.

Why are you being so coy about answering the question and addressing the point that I was making?

 

[ElectricG]

Because the point I was making is that people viewing Pearce's post would have no idea who Kneecap are or what their views are.

Why are you being so coy about answering the question and addressing the point that I was making?

Your point being… it doesn’t matter if you’re reposting terrorists because the people seeing it might not know the source?

Here’s me addressing it: it’s a stupid point.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Your point being… it doesn’t matter if you’re reposting terrorists because the people seeing it might not know the source?

Here’s me addressing it: it’s a stupid point.

My point being that you're happy to put your hands over your ears when it comes to obvious evidence of there being support/celebration of civilian deaths, but if someone dares to post something (non-controversial) that happened to originate from a source that holds extreme views the sky is falling in and they should be publicly stoned.

I (and everyone else in this thread) note that you still try and downplay the content of the examples you were shown because:
a) until that point you didn't know they existed; and
b) according to you they are not "mainstream" (apparently TikTok isn't mainstream, but a niche football forum is...)

 

[ElectricG]

My point being that you're happy to put your hands over your ears when it comes to obvious evidence of there being support/celebration of civilian deaths, but if someone dares to post something (non-controversial) that happened to originate from a source that holds extreme views the sky is falling in and they should be publicly stoned.

I (and everyone else in this thread) note that you still try and downplay the content of the examples you were shown because:
a) until that point you didn't know they existed; and
b) according to you they are not "mainstream" (apparently TikTok isn't mainstream, but a niche football forum is...)

TikTok is a platform which is mainstream - this does not mean the content is mainstream. You wouldn’t call a reddit post with zero upvotes “mainstream” because reddit is such a popular site.

I am not putting my hands over my ears. The content exists and it is bad. The point is, you have to go searching for it.

Look, if an AFL player ever reposted a benign message put out by that type of “content creator”, I.e., those who mock starving Palestinian children, would you be doing this same dance or would you think it’s something they shouldn’t be doing?

 

[Carn The Berries]

TikTok is a platform which is mainstream - this does not mean the content is mainstream. You wouldn’t call a reddit post with zero upvotes “mainstream” because reddit is such a popular site.

I am not putting my hands over my ears. The content exists and it is bad. The point is, you have to go searching for it.

Look, if an AFL player ever reposted a benign message put out by that type of “content creator”, I.e., those who mock starving Palestinian children, would you be doing this same dance or would you think it’s something they shouldn’t be doing?

It would depend on what they actually posted.

If it was "F*** the Palestinians, they should all be slaughtered" then absolutely.

If it was some derivative of the below (e.g. Our only concern is the safety of the Israeli people, let us stand on the side of humanity and justice) then absolutely not.

As much as you're trying to pretend it doesn't, actions and content matter.



For Ex

 

[ElectricG]

It would depend on what they actually posted. If the post was "End the war now" then no.

If it was "F*** the Palestinians, they should all be slaughtered" then absolutely.

As much as you're trying to pretend it doesn't, actions and content matter.

I think you’re pretending. The messenger does matter. I wouldn’t repost* Tommy Robinson even if he said something reasonable, and neither would you. Just like I don’t entertain quoting the normal sounding bits of Mein Kampf. You wouldn’t do it, and you wouldn’t respect it in others.