Recommitted Matt Rowell [re-signed for 2 years]

[adonski]

Pies are getting similar output from Ned Long who is paid in KFC vouchers but now want to burn a couple of good picks and 1m/year on Rowell? Strange

 

[Tasmanian saint]

we would be looking at Rowell in the event Port won't trade Butters this year we want to strike now. With Rowell realistically 2 r1s will get it done even if that's unders-given he's ooc.

Geelongs first rounders will not be worth a lot basically second round picks I can see the suns playing hardball, the cats will need to make other trades to make it happen

 

[Daka]

They won’t (or shouldn’t) hamstring themselves into not being able to pay all of their young upcoming guys in the next 3-4 years by paying too much to keep Rowell. Their midfield is excellent with or without him.

I mean how much is Rowell commanding? 1.1-1.2m? he is definitely worth that what is Collingwood going to offer that the Suns can't?

 

[DopeMaster]

If you had to pick where you think he's going, where would you suggest?

I've heard reports of 4 different teams as the front runner.

Hawks, Pies, Cats and Bombers.

I imagine that is contingent if Reid or Butters are available. If those two are off the table completely this year then that leaves Rowell as the lone elite mid still on the board.
Twomey reckons Pies have someone "guaranteed" locked in.

Could it be Rowell? If so, what return would you want? Do Pies even have elite young players or picks to give?

Wait....Jamie Elliott was linked to a QLD return....you don't think?

The challenge will be GC luring top tier players over.

They can say they want players as much as they like, but the onus is on them to attract said players.

 

[DopeMaster]

If collingwood can get an exemption for this. Scrap the rule

If we did, it would probably require us to find a way to get a first round pick in the next two years. Then we’d just ask a team to bid on McGuane late in the first round this year. Something along those lines…

 

[DopeMaster]

Pies are getting similar output from Ned Long who is paid in KFC vouchers but now want to burn a couple of good picks and 1m/year on Rowell? Strange

A bit of discussion about this on the Pies board. Some think Rowell is more inside/outside vs Long pure defensive mid. I’m in the camp that we would be better off targeting a different type.

 

[FootyLad0]

Probably just offer what the Cats offered for Smith.

Didn’t GC already establish they want players not just picks?
For Smith, Dogs were given a first round pick and a pick slide in the 2nd round after he hadn’t played in over 500 days coming off an ACL.
Dogs were more than happy to take it after they offered an insultingly low 2 year deal to retain him.

Reckon Rowell might be worth a bit more than that.

 

[jakson68]

I mean how much is Rowell commanding? 1.1-1.2m? he is definitely worth that what is Collingwood going to offer that the Suns can't?

A crowd.

 

[Cleric]

GCS just can't afford to lose him. If they do they go backwards again.
I seriously hope he stays up there. They are building something nice, and he should be a part of it.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

A crowd.

I heard an interesting phrase that he is wanting success and a stable environment.
GC environment hardly stable with the regular travel, playing in 9 venues across course of the year.
Collingwood the complete opposite hardly leaving the MCG - very stable.

Also listening to Twomey he seemed to insinuate that it is going to be hard for Rowell get to Collingwood this year so he might re-sign for 2 years with GC with aim to get to Collingwood in free agency.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Surely, he has seen Dimma's coaching though and said to himself we are a much better team with this coaching.

Is it that doesn't to Dew though? With the organic development that Dew was getting and the favourable draw Dimma is getting, I'm not sure the suns are in any different a position than they would have been under Dew

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Geelongs first rounders will not be worth a lot basically second round picks I can see the suns playing hardball, the cats will need to make other trades to make it happen

Ok but we can't give them picks that will get then in front of a Uwland bid (don't think anyone can realistically) and we don't have any players they'd be interested in.

They have a good 23 on paper that we probably couldn't make better and their drafting can't be improved.

What do you actually give them?

 

[lommy]

Ok but we can't give them picks that will get then in front of a Uwland bid (don't think anyone can realistically) and we don't have any players they'd be interested in.

They have a good 23 on paper that we probably couldn't make better and their drafting can't be improved.

What do you actually give them?

This is probably why he re-signs to free agency

 

[Brenton87]

Rowell set to sign a two year extension which will take him to free agency (Jay Clarke). It's up to the Suns to make him want to stay in that time, if they fail i wouldn't blame him for moving to get some success.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This is probably why he re-signs to free agency

But harsh on the kid though. "Sorry mate, I know you had life plans but we're so rich no one can meaningfully offer us anything so we can't trade you"

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Ok but we can't give them picks that will get then in front of a Uwland bid (don't think anyone can realistically) and we don't have any players they'd be interested in.

They have a good 23 on paper that we probably couldn't make better and their drafting can't be improved.

What do you actually give them?

Would need to be a third club involved and is there a player that Geelong is prepared to loose that would have first round value in a trade

 

[Jirik13]

But harsh on the kid though. "Sorry mate, I know you had life plans but we're so rich no one can meaningfully offer us anything so we can't trade you"

Sorry, but that's silly argument, IMO. If Rowell wants to leave he does not re-sign and nominate club(s). It's up to clubs to sort it out. Yes, if they can't he could end up in draft but I doubt Suns would decline e.g., 2 F1. Unless the potential club would low ball Suns I think the thread of ending up in the draft is very low. I doubt Suns would agree to Bailey Smith type of trade but what do I know.

Personally,I don't think players re-sign extra 2 years while they don't want to stay with the club.

 

[Daka]

Is it that doesn't to Dew though? With the organic development that Dew was getting and the favourable draw Dimma is getting, I'm not sure the suns are in any different a position than they would have been under Dew

Dew got sacked for a reason no finals in 6 seasons.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Would need to be a third club involved and is there a player that Geelong is prepared to loose that would have first round value in a trade

Yeah but what's a third club going to give you either. It's not just Geelong. No one can move the needle

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Dew got sacked for a reason no finals in 6 seasons.

They were an absolute rabble. Dew was tracking fine

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Would need to be a third club involved and is there a player that Geelong is prepared to loose that would have first round value in a trade

Tbh the biggest issue here is that good players like Geelong and don't often want to leave. We would be prepared to let one go for Rowell if they wanted to but we won't push anyone to go. Other than mannagh (and realistically with his young family if he asked to go somewhere else for a longer deal it would be another Victorian club not gc) there's no one obvious I can think of that is realistic. Guys like clohesy might naturally look to move for more opportunities but that won't move the needle for gc.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Sorry, but that's silly argument, IMO. If Rowell wants to leave he does not re-sign and nominate club(s). It's up to clubs to sort it out. Yes, if they can't he could end up in draft but I doubt Suns would decline e.g., 2 F1. Unless the potential club would low ball Suns I think the thread of ending up in the draft is very low. I doubt Suns would agree to Bailey Smith type of trade but what do I know.

Personally,I don't think players re-sign extra 2 years while they don't want to stay with the club.

It makes sense actually. If he wants someone like Collingwood as they have no trade colleratal this year he will probably sign for 2 then go there as an FA in 2027.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Sorry, but that's silly argument, IMO. If Rowell wants to leave he does not re-sign and nominate club(s). It's up to clubs to sort it out. Yes, if they can't he could end up in draft but I doubt Suns would decline e.g., 2 F1. Unless the potential club would low ball Suns I think the thread of ending up in the draft is very low. I doubt Suns would agree to Bailey Smith type of trade but what do I know.

Personally,I don't think players re-sign extra 2 years while they don't want to stay with the club.

Yeah I'm just reading the headline of signing to free agency. All I'm saying is that either way, this draft, future drafts whatever, the only thing anyone can give you is basically points

 

[lommy]

Yeah I'm just reading the headline of signing to free agency. All I'm saying is that either way, this draft, future drafts whatever, the only thing anyone can give you is basically points

Our academy could have no 1st round talent in 2 years, or could be shut down entirely

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Yeah but what's a third club going to give you either. It's not just Geelong. No one can move the needle

A good first round draft pick preferably a future one