Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[blues4flag]

Crippa, one more year, then Ollie will be ready.

Maybe two, but agree that Ollie is clearly the best captaincy prospect on our list for a multitude of reasons.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

The disrespect towards Cripps is shameful. Drawing some pretty long bows too. Last player on the list that anyone should be going after.

The bigger problem is that almost everyone overrates our list, list management, most (but not all) in the media and fans included. It’s a very costly mistake and one we’ve seen before.

I think a solid case could be made that Voss has over-achieved with the list.

The rating of the list has nothing to do with no effort losses to Richmond and North, fading out late every game and that intentional tank to port. Absolutely nothing to do with the list quality and allto do with the club atmosphere / toxicity / attitudes and culture etc. Which are all partly or directly responsibilities of club leaders. Voss and Cripps being two long term (in the footy world) club leaders.... It's directly attributable to the way THEY go about things. I think it's more than fair to have a question.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Cripps isn’t a decision-maker - he has no say on list management, drafting/recruiting, team selection etc.

Captain is literally part of the MC. Literally....

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

This 100%

Pointing at the coach, or a player, or the CEO is an easy thing to do but it’s a band aid approach when the club needs surgery.

Many years ago, Sticks said “we’re Carlton and f the rest,” - still think there’s a bit of that mentally lingering. Sounded great when Sticks said it, but it also showed the footy world that we wanted the older world where we could still buy a premiership.

Clubs like Collingwood, Geelong, hawthorn are so far ahead of us when it comes to professionalism in the modern game. They’re great off the field and you see the results on the field.

Interesting when Cook started we had already basically appointed Vossy, Cook has very little input in the appointment and he wasn’t involved in the recruitment process and said Cats did things a little different.

Wright has had success elsewhere - the club needs to give him the reigns and not interfere. It’ll be interesting to see what he does.

I agree but i think for the opposite reason.

We said we are calrton **** the rest. Then got punished and I think since the board has been so meek and so nonsense running away from being a properly run professional club and drifting towards a St Kilda like stand for nothing bunch of humans wearing the same colour.

We need a bit of 'we are carlton'. Don't need the '**** the rest'. A club with self pride wouldn't play like this one has more than once this season.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Crippa, one more year, then Ollie will be ready.

Ollie for captain?? Seriously??

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Maybe two, but agree that Ollie is clearly the best captaincy prospect on our list for a multitude of reasons.

What are those reasons??

 

[TENACIOUS]

How does the narrative shift to put focus on the fan base? It’s a cop out tactic to shield the poor performances from many. The supporter base has no influence on the 120 mins of game time each week. We rock up. We pay for memberships. We mentally invest year in, year out, despite being let down so often. Even if Carlton finishes 18th next year, whilst I presume there will be a. Decline in membership, the membership rally will still be healthy because there are a litany of core fans who, despite the fervent criticism, will still attend / watch games, traverse these forums and be emotionally invested in the outcome.

It’s tough, I guess many work hard to have the disposable income, to buy memberships and to cover the other costs to go support the club each week.

For many people like me it’s a whole day event (5-6 hour round trip), which takes away from spending time with family/friends and takes away half your weekend.

What are we getting back, a club that doesn’t give a dam about its members. With leaders going as far to make the narrative of us rusted on members being part of the problem.

Us rusted on members/fans are sacrificing every week to go support you!

I support any member, group, media having the right to an opinion to make the club better, positive or negative.

Though I don’t support the graffiti or personal slurs that some people on social media revert to!

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Interesting

He had players hide concussion and play through them... While Voss was his main assistant....

 

[blues4flag]

What are those reasons??

He's unconditional in his effort, he's courageous. Vocal on the track, one of the hardest trainers and sets standards. Extroverted, good communicator.

Realistically 3 years away from being a genuine consideration for captain but I'd be elevating him to the leadership group next season.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

We humiliated North 8 weeks ago. It’s on the players not Voss.

Why is it so hard for people to be balanced and sensible. It's Voss' ****ing team. It's on both him AND his players. Especially Voss and the leadership group HE selected and works with day in and day out.

 

[CJMB]

There's more names you need to add to that.

It feels like there's too much riding on Graham Wright to get... right.


Just a personal thought on this and it's come from nowhere other than my own observation.

I was disappointed in reading that an ITK said it would be Weitering.

As an observer, I'm watching Nick Haynes (who it obviously will not and couldn't be) essentially coach and lead the backline. He's become like a teacher, leader and guidance counsellor on the field to that backline. He lifts his teammates up at every opportunity and it really looks like every piece of advice is presented as a growth opportunity regardless of how experienced the teammate. I didn't think he'd grow on me after the Richmond disaster. But gosh was I wrong. He has a career in coaching ahead of him and I hope it starts with us.

Meanwhile, I'm starting to see a lot of the ugly side of Bret Thornton spring up in Weiters game. I observe a star who is pointing fingers and snapping at teammates. Some would say that's his way of being a leader. Frankly, I can see how a teammate would be demotivated by it.

I don't believe we have an easy option. Walsh has ongoing issues that will impact the rest of his career even if he's "healthy." Silvagni too injury prone. Neither Charlie or Harry are anywhere close to natural leaders. Weiters is probably the man but I don't like it.

Wholeheartedly agree, Wiz. There’s a bunch of names aligned with those four, and others.
I don’t really like any of those names mentioned for Captain. Feel like whoever has it might be a placeholder.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

He's unconditional in his effort, he's courageous. Vocal on the track, one of the hardest trainers and sets standards. Extroverted, good communicator.

Realistically 3 years away from being a genuine consideration for captain but I'd be elevating him to the leadership group next season.

Guess I’m alone on this then, I think Ollie is a good young player but I don’t think of him or see him as our next captain and to be honest I’m probably alone on this but I think Ollie is a bit overrated amongst Carlton supporters.

 

[Poorman53]

It’s tough, I guess many work hard to have the disposable income, to buy memberships and to cover the other costs to go support the club each week.

For many people like me it’s a whole day event (5-6 hour round trip), which takes away from spending time with family/friends and takes away half your weekend.

What are we getting back, a club that doesn’t give a dam about its members. With leaders going as far to make the narrative of us rusted on members being part of the problem.

Us rusted on members/fans are sacrificing every week to go support you!

I support any member, group, media having the right to an opinion to make the club better, positive or negative.

Though I don’t support the graffiti or personal slurs that some people on social media revert to!

Great points, I agree.

I have personally hated how Cook has talked about the Carlton supporters, e.g. its like a funeral when we lose ect... it's only a small comment but he has said it or something similar on just about all of his public comments re Carlton. I do think this mindset can seep through the club and more specifically the playing group.

Really does feel like a huge devide atm between club and fans. I think it would be best for the club to drop the victim mentality and embrace the fan base for what it is, the most passionate in the AFL.

I reckon they would be pleasantly surprised if all trainings were open and the fans felt like they weren't locked out and a hindrance.

Rant over

 

[marcmurphy3]

Guess I’m alone on this then, I think Ollie is a good young player but I don’t think of him or see him as our next captain and to be honest I’m probably alone on this but I think Ollie is a bit overrated amongst Carlton supporters.

I would agree. Hes improved this year but still needs to work alot on his individual game before I'd consider him for a leadership role.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Guess I’m alone on this then, I think Ollie is a good young player but I don’t think of him or see him as our next captain and to be honest I’m probably alone on this but I think Ollie is a bit overrated amongst Carlton supporters.

How on earth is he overrated? Half the fans call his move to the backline a failure. Then a chunk still call him too scrawny and another say he's slow.

Nobody calls him a gun.

What he is is an exceptionally hard worker, did not buy into the toxic attitude last week, plays hard and trains harder. Runs and runs and has an exceedingly level head.

And for what it's worth. I watched him live outsprint Chad Warner 3 sprints in a row vs the swans. He's not slow. He's just always running.

Does need to speed up his ball drop and decision making but there are certain captain qualities about him. Especially culturally

 

[JK61]

Watching hawks and north live tonight proves how bad voss is because hawks ain't that good and thay humiliated north
Voss just ain't afl stranded

How ridiculous. Was he AFL standard when we humiliated North by 14 goals in round 6.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I would agree. Hes improved this year but still needs to work alot on his individual game before I'd consider him for a leadership role.

and this is one of the issues Carlton has. Skill does not equal leadership.

 

[TheReal99prelim]

A good team first player wouldn’t have put their hand up to play.

Both Cripps and Weitering were clearly unfit to play.

Cripps is NOT a team-first player

And that trait is even more destructive when you are captain

 

[marcmurphy3]

and this is one of the issues Carlton has. Skill does not equal leadership.

It does not but whoever is captain needs to be locked into the side, preferably in a prominent role.

We have several good young half backs. Ollie needs to keep improving to keep that spot. Doesn't need the extra pressure of being captain in the next few years.

 

[blues4flag]

It does not but whoever is captain needs to be locked into the side, preferably in a prominent role.

We have several good young half backs. Ollie needs to keep improving to keep that spot. Doesn't need the extra pressure of being captain in the next few years.

Agree, ideally I see him as captain post Weitering or Walsh, but both options are looking increasingly unattractive.

 

[T2B_]

and this is one of the issues Carlton has. Skill does not equal leadership.

This. Nick ****ing Maxwell made a career guarding grass, but did the skipper thing pretty well.

 

[Dramoth]

A good team first player wouldn’t have put their hand up to play.

Both Cripps and Weitering were clearly unfit to play.

So is Charlie. Like last year, we’re playing him injured and that’s going to reduce his career time.

We’ve put too much emphasis on Charlie and Harry up front, we’ve not even considered playing Harry Lemmey. He’s put his hand up for the last 4-5 weeks, kicking bags now for fun in the VFL. Let’s see how he goes in the AFL.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

They got Hansen specifically for this reason.
Jury out on that one.

They also got Hammill to implement the team defence which was a major gap.
I'd give that one a tick.

And Jordan Russell get a -2 out of 10....

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Maybe two, but agree that Ollie is clearly the best captaincy prospect on our list for a multitude of reasons.

he's barely in the best 22....

 

[DollarsandSense]

why wait?

Exactly, even if they start with a few of our Assistants. That’ll keep the locals at bay for a while. Kinda.