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I feel like this forum respects hipwood a lot more highly than other places. And i'm not even talking about facebook. I don't know if anyone watches dan gorringe's podcast, but they were basically roasting hipwood on there after the collingwood game. It wasn't anything too malicious, rather they were laughing over the thought of hipwood being a leading goalkicking forward for Brisbane, and Dan said Hipwood basically only has 1/2 good games a year. Even on Insta, i see hipwood being roasted a lot. I feel like when he eventually retires, he would only be rated decently amongst lions fans, because even in the Media, they all seem to think like he doesn't belong in the Brisbane team.
 
3KZ is Football said:
The ‘penny has dropped’ and plenty of Collingwood supporters are sick of McStay. It seems the modern ‘decoy forward’ who is lauded for bringing the ball to ground and who runs up the ground, but spoils their work with low disposal efficiency, is not as valued as a forward who kicks goals.

Matthew Lloyd touched on this briefly on Access.

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The problem for the pies at the moment is they have 3 decoy forwards - Miochek, McStay and Membrey - but I’m not sure who they’re decoying for.
 
GenericUsername202 said:
I feel like this forum respects hipwood a lot more highly than other places. And i'm not even talking about facebook. I don't know if anyone watches dan gorringe's podcast, but they were basically roasting hipwood on there after the collingwood game. It wasn't anything too malicious, rather they were laughing over the thought of hipwood being a leading goalkicking forward for Brisbane, and Dan said Hipwood basically only has 1/2 good games a year. Even on Insta, i see hipwood being roasted a lot. I feel like when he eventually retires, he would only be rated decently amongst lions fans, because even in the Media, they all seem to think like he doesn't belong in the Brisbane team.
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hipwood is a flanker in the body of a key forward. looks great when he gets to use his athleticism but doesnt really crash packs or take big grabs as much as you would like your key forwards to.

hes probably going to be our third best kpf next season and thats OK. you won't find many teams who have a player of his caliber getting the third best defender most weeks. i will say it would be great if he could improve his ruck craft and be a genuine chop out option so we do not have to send allen there.
 

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I keep seeing people say Hippy is a flanker in a big man’s body, if Hippy wasn’t the size he is he wouldn’t be getting a game, his skills and decision making let him down more than his size
 
martinson said:
Crikey.

He's just nowhere near as skilled in marking , kicking ,ball handling ,athleticism or footy smarts. Given they were both champs.
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I think he does pretty well as the outlet mark up the line. As for kicking, I refer you to his goal assist to Morris in the second quarter of the game against Geelong. You can see it from about 3:15 onwards in this video:

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To me this was conclusive proof his field kicking is way better than his notoriously inconsistent set shot kicking. I'm unsure what aspect of athleticism he needs to improve on, as he has the leap and endurance to play on the wing as an outlet kick target. Footy smarts are hard to define I guess, but I don't see him as being any worse than our other wing options in that respect.

I think there's a tendency to overrate champions of the game and imagine they were world beaters at everything when they had their own weaknesses too. Riewoldt and Richardson managed their weaknesses and were put in positions that minimised their weaknesses and maximised their strengths, and we can do the same for Hippy.


martinson said:
Apart from that I just think he's more value elsewhere
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Not kicking for goal from a set shot, for mine. Not as much as Allen, Morris or Smith anyway based on what we've seen.

martinson said:
and the days of the tall forward running through the wing were over 25 years ago
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Riewoldt wasn't in the league 25 years ago, and Richardson only spent heavy time on the wing from 2008 onwards. I'd argue there's a place for different tactics at different times if the right player comes along to fit those tactics. Doing the same thing as everyone else doesn't always lead to flags because there's no guarantee you'll do it better than them. Maybe next year we'll have the opportunity to try something different.
 
Elixuh said:
The problem for the pies at the moment is they have 3 decoy forwards - Miochek, McStay and Membrey - but I’m not sure who they’re decoying for.
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Elliott, who teams have finally clued on to that he's their #1 forward despite somehow flying under the radar.
 
braddsey said:
Neither do I. Will is already a proven gun. But Tom Mitchell vs Sam Marshall may be a different discussion and a more appropriate comparison.
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Tom Mitchell is good in a very specific role, Marshall can be anything. Honestly, if we were talking about a wing role, I'd play Marshall there. Mitchell is an extractor at this point in his career.

braddsey said:
Absolutely agree - but the key is the sample size.
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If I were saying it was a certainty that Smith would go past Hippy, then the sample size would be a valid concern. Instead I'm just saying it's possible, that he's shown the potential to be able to. That's all. When I talk about next year, I'm speaking in hypotheticals. Perhaps Smith hurts himself again or repeatedly plays poorly and this is all moot.

braddsey said:
Selection pressure is critical so having 5 players for 4 spots provides that pressure. The likelihood of having all 5 of those players fit a firing for an extended period is probably slim. Once we have all those players on our list and fit, and if Hipwood is the weakest performing player at that time, then we will have the luxury of putting him back to the reserves.
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This is a very good argument, one that we agree on.

braddsey said:
...by that argument Smith kicked 3 goals by 10 minutes into 2nd, then went unsighted. 5 possessions, 4 marks, but importantly, 3 goals from those possessions.
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It wasn't so much an argument as an observation that this is the kind of player Hippy is, good when he's in form, but inconsistent. He's in his tenth season playing at the top level, he is how he is at this point. Smith is also inconsistent, I agree, but he's in his second season playing at the top level, we have to expect that kind of inconsistency until he has has more experience under his belt. I think he'll develop into a fine player, but if we don't give him the opportunities, it won't be with us.

braddsey said:
I don't think Smith and Hipwood are playing for the same position. Smith will get picked because he can ruck, which neither Hipwood or Allen are likely to do with any competence or confidence it's not going to be detrimental to their body. More likely Smith/Draper/Fort are looking at the same positions - unless Smith shows a proven ability to kick more goals - then he demands the forward/ruck position with Fort/Draper and #1 ruck. Then Hipwood & Allen are playing for the same position! :p
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Do you reckon we'll play 5 talls outside of defence next season? That's the only way all of them can coexist in the one side. We're surely not offering Draper good money to play in the VFL, so either it's 5 talls or someone misses out when everyone is fit. Of course, the injury bug will likely strike us at some point.
 
Some very valid points on both sides debating Hipwood’s output.

I’m in the camp that thinks he’s quite fortunate there isn’t another option to play in his forward role this season. The gap between his best and his worst is almost the biggest chasm I’ve seen, and his bad is very frustrating.

I don’t expect him to be a world beater, but I do expect predictability from a player in his position. There’s numerous examples that spring to mind where he hasn’t delivered that - not bringing the ball to the front of packs, blazing at goal as opposed to putting it 15m out (the kick that burnt Charlie in the prelim would still haunt me had we lost) and poor choices when field kicking (which in general appears to have dropped off). I personally think McStay played his role better than what Hipwood plays his, but that’s just me.

If he can address some of the elements above I don’t think he’s a lost cause - and due to the state of our forwards there’s no way I would drop him this year. However, with some extra coverage in Draper and Allen (should they come) I’d say he’d be far less irreplaceable than he is currently. Coaches will publicly back players, but they’d be wanting an uptick in what he’s delivering right now that’s for certain.
 
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Crow call: Nicks makes phone pitch to Draper - Sam McClure
The call, according to two sources close to Draper who spoke on the condition of anonymity, has blown the player away, and it now has him genuinely reconsidering the Crows as a potential destination.
Draper has not ruled out recommitting to Essendon, according to the sources. Competition sources say Essendon’s offer is a four-year contract, while the Lions are willing to offer five or six years to get the deal done.
Essendon have told Draper and his management that they’d like an answer sooner rather than later. Draper is an unrestricted free agent.
It’s unclear what the extent of Adelaide’s offer is, but Nicks made it clear to Draper that he was a priority signing for the club in the off season.
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Hi everyone.

This has been an excellent conversation in here over the last day or so. Some great insights, genuine thinking, lighter moments and conducted in a respectful spirit.

Just goes to show that people don’t have to always agree to have a great chat.

Well done and thanks.

GO LIONS 🦁
 
2026 will be interesting if the proffered ins come to fruition.

Tall forwards and rucks- Darcy Fort, Henry Smith, Logan Morris, Sam Draper, Oscar Allen, Ty Gallop, Eric Hipwood.

+ Sam Day? OOC 2025, Oscar McInerney? OOC 2026, Brandon Ryan? OOC ?,
 

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Thing is we need a ruck don't we?

Oscar quite likely to go. Fagan said today he needs treatment for a week or two. Sounded pretty ominous

Day a chance too who can play back-up ruck

Oscar Allen unlikely to play any ruck

2026

Capable full time ruck: fort, smith
Capable part time and forward: smith, gallop, Ryan, zz

It's genuinely thin stocks

Who else could we get if it's not Draper?
 
twhowler said:
Thing is we need a ruck don't we?

Oscar quite likely to go. Fagan said today he needs treatment for a week or two. Sounded pretty ominous

Day a chance too who can play back-up ruck

Oscar Allen unlikely to play any ruck

2026

Capable full time ruck: fort, smith
Capable part time and forward: smith, gallop, Ryan, zz

It's genuinely thin stocks

Who else could we get if it's not Draper?
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Agreed, I think if we can get Draper it would be a good get
 
3KZ is Football said:
Hi everyone.

This has been an excellent conversation in here over the last day or so. Some great insights, genuine thinking, lighter moments and conducted in a respectful spirit.

Just goes to show that people don’t have to always agree to have a great chat.

Well done and thanks.

GO LIONS 🦁
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