Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[Own The Future]

GW has been in place for months...

He’s been observing, and likely heavily involved - but as I’m sure we both know he officially takes his position on Aug 15.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

It’s daft for us to think a coach being let go is only the start of the conversations between club & prospectives.

Clubs will be well into discussions with prospectives, as part of their decision to move in from the current coach.

 

[SurreyBlue]

The Melbourne decisions is all about them getting the jump and trying to take advantage on ‘other’ club coaching changes.
Doesn’t necessarily mean they will or won’t but it does give them open correspondence.

 

[KnobHead]

Respond to this post as

Far from it KnobHead:-

'Cripps wants out' is nothing like 'It's far from a certainty'

Love your work as a moderator Ath.

But we’ve got two very similar rumours on Cripps potentially heading back to WA. Slightly different, but both in the same ballpark.

Added, “Cripps wants out” and it’s “far from certainty” clearly do not contradict each other. A player may want out but a club may not let them go because they’re in contract.

No need to attack a poster for passing on information. If posters don’t like the rumour, move on.

 

[AT97]

Just had coffee with a mate where I work (QLD Uni) who's colleague visited Ikon a few days after the bad Port loss in Round 16 (graffiti-gate). Said he had no idea (not a footy person) but the whole place was like a funeral. Very sombre.

Can't imagine it will have got much better. Not a good environment to be in, which makes me 100% believe any rumours of players exploring a move. Doesn't mean they would go, but if I've worked in places with that vibe and I got the F out of dodge. Kills your mood and confidence.

I’d like to think it’s like that after every loss. Thats how supporters feel.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

considering his recent podcast appearance, I figure he was already removed from official decision making processes.

Was anything said that was different from like 5+ years ago? It's been known he can't remember his career for years.

 

[woof39]

Not sure if any of our ITK posters have heard that at least Voss and Lloyd will be tapped on the shoulder in the next week? I wonder if what I have heard from someone has some legs

I am not sure what we are waiting for? I thought this before Goodwin got the sack. If we have already made up our mind about Voss, what are we gaining? Perhaps we are trying to calm the player storm whilst there are still a few weeks to go.

 

[Bluebag13]

I’d like to think it’s like that after every loss. Thats how supporters feel.

What supporters feel, think, want, are not always the best things for the club.
Although we are completely in our right to have our emotions

 

[NavySteel]

Deano35 on TC dispelling the Rumours about Crippa …

Who's Deano35?

 

[Blue__Balls]

I'll say this - what I do like from Melbourne is that they made this move after a big win. Yeah, it was against WC, so it doesn't really count. But at least at surface level it looks less like a reactive "rahr, we lost, sack the coach!" decision.

Hopefully he had the chance to enjoy a win with the players, and go out on something approaching a positive note, as opposed to their whole weekend being doom and gloom after a loss.

 

[Coops93]

I’d like to think it’s like that after every loss. Thats how supporters feel.

I don't hope that, at all. Something we've learned by now, surely, is that one of the most common threads amongst successful teams across the sporting world is that the emotion levels remain consistent irrespective of result. Very few teams that ride the highs and lows of a win vs a loss end up being successful, the emotionally intelligent and consistent teams are.

I'd expect them to be disappointed in the rooms/of the evening of a loss, but by the time they get back to the club the energy levels should more or less be around the same mark of any other week.

Riding the emotions is a long-standing Carlton issue, especially amongst the fans.

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

Not sure I see the logic in this?

If we 'stay the course', keep our cards close to our chest and keep Voss until the end of the year - what exactly would that achieve? Saves us a 15-minute PR disaster?

The way I see it, Voss should've been moved on the second it became clear the odds were against him.

All we've done is create a weird environment where everyone is in limbo and we can't even officially begin a coaching search. If he was moved on 6 weeks ago then the club would at least be able to answer the questions guys like TDK and JSOS are asking - which are likely - who will be coaching us? Who are we speaking to? What changes are being made? This applies also to recruitment - how tf are we supposed to pitch to potential players with so many questions lingering?

Optics wise, sure it looks stable and gives the illusion we're not panicking, but realistically? Absolutely pointless imo.

I agree to an extent. The way I read it tho is everyone in the footy department is made to wait on agent of change, no exceptions. And this is an uncomfortable but necessary thing.

Players have played complacently this year and seem in a pattern of 'we fail and the coach gets changed.' This pattern of entitlement needs to be short circuited, not because entitlement is bad but because the pattern involves losing. If they were entitled winners and got angry after losses we'd be fine with it.

Too often get the feeling that the "stars" are pushing the club uphill. Coach too. The rest hide in the lee a bit.

Unfortunately we will lose players that have in built in accountability, precisely because they are the ones that appeal to other clubs. But there work loads will fall to the rest and by necessity they will have to start doing it.

Will be an interesting 2027 in terms of player development if we lose a few heavy lifters

 

[AT97]

What supporters feel, think, want, are not always the best things for the club.
Although we are completely in our right to have our emotions

You don’t think that staff would be flying if they won a game… ebbs and flows of sport. I would find it difficult to believe how staff wouldn’t get caught up.

 

[Aphrodite]

Love your work as a moderator Ath.

But we’ve got two very similar rumours on Cripps potentially heading back to WA. Slightly different, but both in the same ballpark.

Added, “Cripps wants out” and it’s “far from certainty” clearly do not contradict each other. A player may want out but a club may not let them go because they’re in contract.

No need to attack a poster for passing on information. If posters don’t like the rumour, move on.

I never attacked anyone and not sure where that is coming from KnobHead.

Was only just pointing out the differences in both posts and my post wasn't the only one to point out the differences in the 'wording' of both posts that could be interpreted differently.

"wants out" is not the same "happy to go home"

 

[Proud 2 be Blue]

I've heard from a mate with good connections at another AFL club that Corey Enright will be coaching at our club next year. Not sure of the validity or what coaching role - just feeding the information heard.

 

[JustaBattler]

I guess a sliding doors look at it could be:

Say we keep Kennedy, Owies, Martin, Cunningham, Marchbank. Sign Houston. Don't get Haynes, Smith, O'Farrell, Charleson, White, F.Young, don't re-sign Carroll. Newman still does the knee (and Martin probably still spends the first 14 rds on the sidelines like he did at Geelong).

What are the possible outcomes? Obviously our perspective is a bit tainted considering where we are now, but is that enough to win the flag? Teams are still going to know how to beat us and we're relying on week-to-week fitness/availability and the form of all 23 players, particularly the top 5-10, to make the gameplan, just like the 2nd half of '23.

In that timeline if we had the same availability and form of the top tiers of players (ie Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, Weitering, Houston, Saad, TDK, Gov, Acres, Newman, etc) then we're probably still not in the 8, but with an older list profile and dealing with notably more cap pressure.

If we'd gone that way but not lost Newman, and all our players stayed fit, and we got Houston and he actually played like the AA he is (rather than what he's dishing up at Vic Park), but everyone still knows how to beat us.... maybe we're half a chance? But that seems like a lot of 'ifs', and a lot of them going the opposite way to what eventuated this year, albeit in a different scenario.

In hindsight, doing it last year (reset: coaching/leadership/list) would have been a much better move, but if it has to happen then surely doing it now is better than 12-24 months later with a notably worse hand?

Or in that timeline we somehow win the flag this year before it all blows up and then we don't really care for a bit because we finally got one...

My response was in context of 'what players at Carlton saw' - not what the Club decided to do strategically- which was (basically) and each way bet on making finals and building for the future...

as a senior player I would have been pizzd orf- because I want a flag and an easier job to do every week - not be a baby sitter to developing high school kids AND seeing the starting team's capability diminished not improved...

You got to understand the mindset of the playing group and how they would 'parse' the Club's moves from their perspective.
Players have their wishes , Club has its strategy and supporters have their expectations. Not all three things are in alignment at all times - and then you toss in the vagaries of bad luck with injuries and things can compound negatively - very quickly.

Wright's job as CEO is to get all stakeholders aligned - that is the real issue he is dealing with. Aligning players, Club and supporters is what builds unity and common direction.

In the context of a dysfunctional coaching regime (whatever is dysfunctional about it ) this adds enormous pressure on the whole equation. Some players will genuinely like Voss others wont - sorting out the player portfolio will be a secondary matter- fortunately Carlton holds the cards in terms of contracts for all the costly ones. Best case scenario is new coach appointment makes all teh players feel good and pressure is released.

but any neww coach will have to be able to sell the idea that teh older players arent going to nbe baby sitting - that finals or nbetter is a real thing because a,b,c, and d...

 

[Coops93]

I never attacked anyone and not sure where that is coming from KnobHead.

I thought you were insulting them for a moment by calling them a knobhead and thought "that's odd from Aph"

Lucky I double checked the username

 

[Jatz]

I've heard from a mate with good connections at another AFL club that Corey Enright will be coaching at our club next year. Not sure of the validity or what coaching role - just feeding the information heard.

He's being groomed to take over from Ross at the Aints.

Would be very surprised to see him here.

 

[AT97]

I don't hope that, at all. Something we've learned by now, surely, is that one of the most common threads amongst successful teams across the sporting world is that the emotion levels remain consistent irrespective of result. Very few teams that ride the highs and lows of a win vs a loss end up being successful, the emotionally intelligent and consistent teams are.

I'd expect them to be disappointed in the rooms/of the evening of a loss, but by the time they get back to the club the energy levels should more or less be around the same mark of any other week.

Riding the emotions is a long-standing Carlton issue, especially amongst the fans.

great in theory. Just can’t see how you don’t react emotionally when things aren’t going great or when it’s the opposite…we haven’t got a staff of robots yet.

 

[mjonc43]

Prominent perth based journos will tell u we have spoken to simpson.
B4 u all go off half cocked..it doesn't mean he will be out next co

Missed McCrae last time out. Who will Melbourne beat us to this time.

Did we? He wasn't on the shortlist.

 

[Coops93]

There's already a succession plan for Ross at sts?

Such a weird thing going on over there. Ratts apparenty underperformed, so we have to get Ross. Get Ross, still underperform, decide actually we're rebuilding, but also, we have a coaching succession plan in.

Bringing Ross back, so far to me, has been a balls up on just about every level that they've tried to paper over with "Rebuild". He was brought back because they thought they should be winning now, not to go through a rebuild.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Shit... we're going to get Goodwin, aren't we?

Edit: after the 1st thumbs down, I thought maybe some people were open to getting Goodwin, but after 3 thumbs downs, I'm now wondering if people are misinterpreting my post as advocating for Goodwin.
I'm in no way a fan of getting him, just an observation that I could see us doing the dumbest thing ever now that Goodwin is available.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Did we? He wasn't on the shortlist.

He was gone before we started

 

[Kruezing]

Who's Deano35?

Reliable poster

 

[Stamos]

Did we? He wasn't on the shortlist.

Well, he was never going to make our shortlist given he was announced as Filth coach on the same day we announced our coaching sub-committee.