Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[branedotorg]

If I had my way ...

President: Mike Fitzpatrick
Football Director: Someone else
CEO: Graham Wright
Coach: Hayden Skipworth
Senior Assistant: Corey Enright
Football Manager: Jimmy Bartel
List Manager: Unsure. Changes must be made.
High Performance: Rob Innes

I'm still backing Austin. I think he's not been perfect but i like the direction he's been moving, i like our last few years of draftees and bargain pickups. I thought the move to get a blue chip player in Jagga last year was the right call and i am in favour of refreshing the playing list, something the club started last season.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I'm still backing Austin. I think he's not been perfect but i like the direction he's been moving, i like our last few years of draftees and bargain pickups. I thought the move to get a blue chip player in Jagga last year was the right call and i am in favour of refreshing the playing list, something the club started last season.

This.

I think GW’s background in list management and recruiting works in Austin’s favour when it comes to making a decision - he’d understand the limitations of Voss’ coaching and how that impacts the perception of the club’s recruiting efforts.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

whats a skipworth

If it’s full of rubbish - let’s hope it’s recyclable!

 

[BluesByNature]

Imo Buckley would be a worse decision than Malthouse was… and that’s really saying something

I don't think he is done yet, if he gets another gig he will win a premiership at some stage.

No way he misses his last chance to win one

 

[CJMB]

I don't think he is done yet, if he gets another gig he will win a premiership at some stage.

No way he misses his last chance to win one

history (and probability) would say he doesn't win one

 

[Bfevola]

No i know we would be speaking to others. But for the Club and members - We need hope. To know that we are making change, and getting fresh hope and ideas.

Stability before Trade period. And knowing who is in place to attract players and potentially smooth relationships with disgruntled players.

If Voss is going, then no point hiding it for 3 more games. He can stay for those games, but up to him.

This club needs some positivity. Feel for Voss, as he is all class. But he has not been successful. And he has done what i was afraid of when we appointed him - disgruntled players like at Brisbane wanting to leave.

We need to move on from him, that is very clear. I would hope that players were spoken to, to find out why they were not motivated or happy this season.

Relationships need to be fixed - NOW.

 

[Coops93]

Could be something or nothing, but we did sign Rob Innes last off-season, who (for those who don't know) was Sydney's fitness boss under Longmire. So there's a connection and previous working relationship there.

 

[BennyGFunk]

I’d get Brett Deledio to chat to SOS & talk about if he had any regrets leaving the tigers…

I believe we can set things right once and for all and it’s not the time to be giving up on our dream..

Imagine we learned 4 quarters with a touch of polish added.. heck, might look like a top 4 side, weren’t we that for 22/28 games btwn 2023-24?

 

[The Bighouse]

One disappointing season? Really? You were satisfied with his first season? Losing the last 4 to miss finals after being comfortably in the 8 all year. And in a good position to win the last 2 games?

Or happy with losing 8 from 9 in the first half of 23? We followed it up with the only successful segment of voss' coaching career, so overall this season wasn't a disappointment.

Last year, flag favourites halfway through the year before limping into finals and being belted. This year, the less said the better. Every year bar 23 was a disappointment under Voss.

C’mon, there were more than enough reasons for that…
Put some onus on the players in ‘22 absolutely botching plays in the last rounds with mental capitulation and skills folding when it got tight (not dissimilar to round 1 ‘25).

‘24 injuries galore and petrol tickets ran out. Replacement of HP boss hasn’t seemed to done much on that front nor fitness regime holding up for matches.

Think there greater issues than the coach.

 

[feffs93]

With a young team, I want a modern coach. Not convinced with Longmire. Something doesn't feel right. Especially with a young rebuilding team.

Brendan Bolton?

 

[The Bighouse]

Could be something or nothing, but we did sign Rob Innes last off-season, who (for those who don't know) was Sydney's fitness boss under Longmire. So there's a connection and previous working relationship there.

Hasn’t exactly been a roaring success.
Inness has to be under the microscope as well.

 

[Bfevola]

A young coach is good, but one who played at the top level.

Not a teacher like Bolton and our AFLW coach who is also a teacher.

No teachers !!!!!!!! Had to have played at high level of AFL.

 

[El Topo]

C’mon, there were more than enough reasons for that…
Put some onus on the players in ‘22 absolutely botching plays in the last rounds with mental capitulation and skills folding when it got tight (not dissimilar to round 1 ‘25).

‘24 injuries galore and petrol tickets ran out. Replacement of HP boss hasn’t seemed to done much on that front nor fitness regime holding up for matches.

Think there greater issues than the coach.

The fact that the side has been running on fumes by the end of the year, each year since 2022, speaks to issues with coaching and player management - see last year when the downward spiral coincided with Cottrell and Cerra coming straight back in at the expense of fit and in-form incumbents

 

[Coops93]

C’mon, there were more than enough reasons for that…
Put some onus on the players in ‘22 absolutely botching plays in the last rounds with mental capitulation and skills folding when it got tight (not dissimilar to round 1 ‘25).

‘24 injuries galore and petrol tickets ran out. Replacement of HP boss hasn’t seemed to done much on that front nor fitness regime holding up for matches.

Think there greater issues than the coach.

You don't think any of that was to do with coaching?

Blaming the players for capitulating and poor skills in tight scenarios? Seems like something a good coach will have worked on and instilled on a playing group.

I'm not one to absolve a playing group, but repeated failures in exactly the same ways his entire tenure falls at the feet of the coach. If it happened in just that one season, then yes, put it on the players but understand in retrospect that it was used as a learning experience and we're better for it, thanks to the coaches using it as an education piece.

However, it doesn't look like any learning was done there and we still do the same things years later.

 

[The Bighouse]

A young coach is good, but one who played at the top level.

Not a teacher like Bolton and our AFLW coach who is also a teacher.

No teachers !!!!!!!! Had to have played at high level of AFL.

A teacher who played AFL…?

 

[CJMB]

C’mon, there were more than enough reasons for that…
Put some onus on the players in ‘22 absolutely botching plays in the last rounds with mental capitulation and skills folding when it got tight (not dissimilar to round 1 ‘25).

‘24 injuries galore and petrol tickets ran out. Replacement of HP boss hasn’t seemed to done much on that front nor fitness regime holding up for matches.

Think there greater issues than the coach.

but what if the coach is partially responsible for our mental capitulation, lack of skills, fitness and injuries? He's certainly responsible for the gameplan which is complete bollox.

 

[AlphaBlue]

With a young team, I want a modern coach. Not convinced with Longmire. Something doesn't feel right. Especially with a young rebuilding team.

Someone who’s in it for the long haul and genuinely hungry for success. I have question marks over the longevity of both Longmire and Simpson — could they burn out in 2–5 years given their long careers?

 

[Coops93]

Hasn’t exactly been a roaring success.
Inness has to be under the microscope as well.

I wasn't talking about whether it's been successful or not, that wasn't the point of the post.

 

[The Bighouse]

The fact that the side has been running on fumes by the end of the year, each year since 2022, speaks to issues with coaching and player management - see last year when the downward spiral coincided with Cottrell and Cerra coming straight back in at the expense of fit and in-form incumbents

Hmmm, probably put that on the HP + S&C teams in getting players at their optimum for an AFL season.

 

[Coops93]

Someone who’s in it for the long haul and genuinely hungry for success. I have question marks over the longevity of both Longmire and Simpson — could they burn out again in 2–5 years?

People said the same of Hardwick.

Probably easy enough to get energised with what is going on up there, though, and perhaps less so with how this season has gone for us with reports of player unease and a fairly rabid fanbase.

I think the more I think about it, though, the more I think I lean to a new untried coach. I want some fresh ideas about footy.

 

[katmanblue]

C’mon, there were more than enough reasons for that…
Put some onus on the players in ‘22 absolutely botching plays in the last rounds with mental capitulation and skills folding when it got tight (not dissimilar to round 1 ‘25).

‘24 injuries galore and petrol tickets ran out. Replacement of HP boss hasn’t seemed to done much on that front nor fitness regime holding up for matches.

Think there greater issues than the coach.

Don't you know the players are beyond reproach? Infallible.

 

[AlphaBlue]

People said the same of Hardwick.

Probably easy enough to get energised with what is going on up there, though, and perhaps less so with how this season has gone for us with reports of player unease and a fairly rabid fanbase.

I think the more I think about it, though, the more I think I lean to a new untried coach. I want some fresh ideas about footy.

Hardwick is a good counterexample. A fresh environment can definitely reignite that spark. That said, the Gold Coast lifestyle is a lot more relaxed compared to the pressure cooker down in Melbourne. Combine that with internal unrest and a pretty intense fanbase, and it’s a much tougher gig to sustain energy long term.

 

[The Bighouse]

You don't think any of that was to do with coaching?

Blaming the players for capitulating and poor skills in tight scenarios? Seems like something a good coach will have worked on and instilled on a playing group.

I'm not one to absolve a playing group, but repeated failures in exactly the same ways his entire tenure falls at the feet of the coach. If it happened in just that one season, then yes, put it on the players but understand in retrospect that it was used as a learning experience and we're better for it, thanks to the coaches using it as an education piece.

However, it doesn't look like any learning was done there and we still do the same things years later.

They trained it & improved it - but the moments out on the field were on the players execution in ‘22.
Owies. McGovern. Stocker. Last Q vs Collingwood mentally poor. Leaders like Docherty bombing into fwd50 out on the full. CC buckling in front of goal.

 

[CJMB]

People said the same of Hardwick.

Probably easy enough to get energised with what is going on up there, though, and perhaps less so with how this season has gone for us with reports of player unease and a fairly rabid fanbase.

I think the more I think about it, though, the more I think I lean to a new untried coach. I want some fresh ideas about footy.

Hardwick is a good counterexample. A fresh environment can definitely reignite that spark. That said, the Gold Coast lifestyle is a lot more relaxed compared to the pressure cooker down in Melbourne. Combine that with internal unrest and a pretty intense fanbase, and it’s a much tougher gig to sustain energy long term.

RE: Hardwick, we'll have to give it a few more years to know for sure anyway.

 

[myblueroan]

Brendan Bolton?