Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[SkyhorseTamer]

Bucks was a Bucks fan grown up... Just saying...

Same as Voss and Hird... Maybe it's a thing of the era....

 

[Benaly28]

See I don't believe we have even started our coaching search. Perhaps we have only made the decision to move on from Voss now.

The board/club are not going to get into any type of race with a club about who could potentially coach us next year, they will back themselves to pick who they want and won't be dictated by pressure.

I think we’ve been looking for awhile now.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

He's going fine, but throughout that 15 year history there were a plentiful amount of second time or third time coaches about, yet none of them won a flag

There were? Aside from transitional pieces not expected to win flags like Roos at Melbourne...?

And also there were a painful amount of first time coaches to never win anything. It's still comfortably a demographics point really. Even Roos lead to Goodwin's success. Club wouldlikely be a disaster like us without that period.... Doubt they'd have the premiership win

 

[KnaveyBlue]

I thought the move to get a blue chip player in Jagga last year was the right call

Can't agree. If ever there was a draft to have 2 bites in the first round, it was that one.

We sold the farm to try and get FOS, missed, took Jagga instead and pretended he was always our target, and then he did an ACL. And the guys who ended up going at our picks were Joe Berry and Murphy Reid.

I really can't view the 2024 draft (and whole off-season) as anything but an unmitigated disaster for us.

 

[woof39]

I think we’ve been looking for awhile now.

I hope so. Why do you think this?

 

[blue healer]

He's going fine, but throughout that 15 year history there were a plentiful amount of second time or third time coaches about, yet none of them won a flag.

Getting a coach who has had the role before isn't terrible, many coaches have coached fantastic sides on their second or third go (Ross at Freo immediately comes to mind).

You're right though, it's not an infallable way of looking at things, too many factors at play.

There were also another 30 (at least) first time coaches who didn't or are yet to win a flag.

 

[Accidental genius]

The narrative that 1st time coaches are better or more likely to win premierships ignores that the majority of coaches are in their 1st stint, making it statistically more likely for premierships to be won by them.

2nd time head coaches are rare comparatively, this isnt a reflection of coaching ability 2nd time coaches are rare, not unsuccessful.
It's more about demographics than a proven advantage

So a better way to look it is what % of 2nd/3rd time coaches win a flag?

 

[Lovers]

Can't agree. If ever there was a draft to have 2 bites in the first round, it was that one.

We sold the farm to try and get FOS, missed, took Jagga instead and pretended he was always our target, and then he did an ACL. And the guys who ended up going at our picks were Joe Berry and Murphy Reid.

I really can't view the 2024 draft (and whole off-season) as anything but an unmitigated disaster for us.

FOS isnt exactly lighting it up with north.
whos saying we would of taked berry and reid? or if they would have been any good in our busted system. Jagga in hindsight will solve much more problems than any of those other players

 

[Blue__Balls]

Can't agree. If ever there was a draft to have 2 bites in the first round, it was that one.

We sold the farm to try and get FOS, missed, took Jagga instead and pretended he was always our target, and then he did an ACL. And the guys who ended up going at our picks were Joe Berry and Murphy Reid.

I really can't view the 2024 draft (and whole off-season) as anything but an unmitigated disaster for us.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

5/18, so roughly 27%.

In the last 15 years, a non-first time coach has won a premiership 6% of the time.

Very simplistic way of looking at it but it illustrates that it's not just due to the lack of second/third time senior coaches.

Very simplistic, you'd have to look at the numbers throughout the years, off the top of my head it would have been only 1 in 2020.

 

[bigdog43]

Was McQualter selected over Skipworth? And if so, what does that say?

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

Was McQualter selected over Skipworth? And if so, what does that say?

The same thing Voss being selected over Kingsley does.

 

[Juice030103]

Was McQualter selected over Skipworth? And if so, what does that say?

We selected Voss over kingsley so I don’t see your point? Even at Collingwood they wanted Mitchell over McRae

 

[Coops93]

Was McQualter selected over Skipworth? And if so, what does that say?

Coaches get picked over each other every season and are proven the be the wrong choice. It doesn't mean much.

And who's to say McQualter was the wrong choice? I don't think that basket case could be fixed in 1 season by any coach, ever. That's a long-term repair job for anyone. Nicks has taken ~5 yrs to show he was the right choice.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

We selected Voss over kingsley so I don’t see your point? Even at Collingwood they wanted Mitchell over McRae

Anyone who misses out on a job should never be selected for another job #science

 

[Flaggers22]

Was McQualter selected over Skipworth? And if so, what does that say?

Nothing. That's normal, most successful coaches would've interviewed for other jobs and been knocked back. Learning how to interview well is a skill most people develop over time.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Can't agree. If ever there was a draft to have 2 bites in the first round, it was that one.

We sold the farm to try and get FOS, missed, took Jagga instead and pretended he was always our target, and then he did an ACL. And the guys who ended up going at our picks were Joe Berry and Murphy Reid.

I really can't view the 2024 draft (and whole off-season) as anything but an unmitigated disaster for us.

I disagree with this.

 

[DangerousD]

It would be genuinely hilarious if he came to Carlton.

Smart trading (e.g. Bryce Gibbs deal).

Yes he got bent over there after declaring interest in Gibbs very early, perhaps he was inexperienced at the time, he did however if i recall correctly, use great Loveridge to squeeze Dawson for a bargain, got Rankine, ANB, Peatling and Cumming, whilst drafting some really good players.

Has done a good job imo

 

[TerryWallet]

Imho, for us:

Longmire - Very firm YES. Clear choice.

Buckley - Very hard NO.
Simpson - Very hard NO
Goodwin - Very hard NO
Hinkley - NO, but preferred over the above 3 only.

A new Coach whoever comes out of a Wright led search. YES. And clear 2nd choice after Longmire.

Imo, we give this list, with the rejigging losing TDK and Silvagni allows us, another window under a great coach in Longmire. We cant rebuild now, and dont need to. We need to reset, rejigg, whatever...and get on with it. Under a Coach that gives the team an actual chance to perform.

Voss(twice) has ground good teams to a complete standstill.
Buckley the same.
Simpson the same.
Goodwin the same.
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Leon Cameron

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the same.

Longmire never lost his group and never stopped performing. He has an elite functioning, inquisitive, and adaptive AFL Coaching brain. And is not washed up or bitter or full of revengeful ego, like some other tried coaches.

 

[Styxx]

Was McQualter selected over Skipworth? And if so, what does that say?

Maybe Skipworth didn't feel it was the right time for himself? You would rather a young man that feels ready vs a young man that knows he isn't.

 

[Coops93]

Nothing. That's normal, most successful coaches would've interviewed for other jobs and been knocked back. Learning how to interview well is a skill most people develop over time.

Interviews are a terrible way to actually identify who's the best for the job. Interviews are such a foreign and unnatural way for people to communicate.

People bluffing their way through interviews is an art form in a way.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

We selected Voss over kingsley so I don’t see your point? Even at Collingwood they wanted Mitchell over McRae

In fairness I would argue that remains the correct position to have taken

 

[Sector 7G]

Coaches get picked over each other every season and are proven the be the wrong choice. It doesn't mean much.

And who's to say McQualter was the wrong choice? I don't think that basket case could be fixed in 1 season by any coach, ever. That's a long-term repair job for anyone. Nicks has taken ~5 yrs to show he was the right choice.

* chose Knights over Hardwick . That seems like an all time mistake

 

[DangerousD]

The same Ken Hinkley who spends his off-season doing professional development from a caravan park every year.

The same Voss when asked after his first season with us, whether he was heading overseas to do any training or visit other sporting clubs, said no

 

[DangerousD]

We are one of the clubs going after Max Gruzewski (GWS).

Interesting.

Makes little sense if Kemp and the key forwards are staying.