List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[gringo2011]

This is why we sacked ratts.

That and the whole direction of the club was heading into another mediocrity period.

 

[phantom13]

We bonded over the dees win, lets do it again over Ross.

All this fussing and fighting when we could be lovin'

 

[beside the seaside]

Ross was still coy on Nas. Obviously doesn't want to come across as overconfident. It's a delicate situation. He's backed himself in and it paid off. Think we just need to pay up basically. It's our most important signing in 20 years.

 

[gringo2011]

I think Saints clearly have a lower ceiling on Windy's output than he and his management do.

Which hurts because he's a home grown academy kid and has actually come on really well recently.

I think he'll shop himself around and see what interest there is, take it to the Saints with the idea of them getting a win win on $ and length of deal and hopefully re-signs.

As long as parties are comfortable that this is how business gets done these days.

I reckon it’s a massive mistake. We’d be chasing him if he was at Carlton.

 

[gringo2011]

The problem with Windhager is his management think he’s worth $800,000+ per season, the club think he’s not worth that. The club is right.

What is Aleer and TDK worth?

 

[gubby88]

I reckon it’s a massive mistake. We’d be chasing him if he was at Carlton.

Still trying to figure out what numbers Macrae wore at carlton....also now unsure of what number aleer wears at carlton as well

 

[gubby88]

What is Aleer and TDK worth?

As much as you pay them to come over

 

[gringo2011]

If another club offers him $850k he'd be crazy to pass it up so he should go with our blessing.

I think he's at best a $650k player at the moment. And if this is the list management team being disciplined with player contracts (TDK aside.....) then all for driving a hard bargain.

You have to replace him and it won’t be cheaper. Makes us worse next year and sets the timeline backwards.

 

[gringo2011]

As much as you pay them to come over

So lose players because they are already at the club and pay anything to bring them in? Sounds idiotic.

 

[gubby88]

You have to replace him and it won’t be cheaper. Makes us worse next year and sets the timeline backwards.

replace him with Boxshall, Travaglia etc...its not as hard as you think

 

[gubby88]

So lose players because they are already at the club and pay anything to bring them in? Sounds idiotic.

lose who?? are players there to win a flag or to get paid as much as possible...they want to be mercenaries, they can do that elsewhere...its not like Windy is getting his spot taken

 

[BrutThough]

Ross was still coy on Nas. Obviously doesn't want to come across as overconfident. It's a delicate situation. He's backed himself in and it paid off. Think we just need to pay up basically. It's our most important signing in 20 years.

Eddie's confidence was reassuring.

 

[BrutThough]

Now Whispy Watson walking back his Aleer $900k to $600k with incentives to hit $700k .

Which feels very reasonable to get a key position player across.

 

[gringo2011]

I've been a huge advocate for him since being drafted.
850 grand though is taking the piss.
He's 22, and turning into a solid role player...at the moment I would call him a C grade talent, reaching for B, that can occasionally hit a B+ a couple of times a year. You can't hang your hat on that... he's simply not consistent enough.
He is around the 600 grand mark at a push...maybe 7 if he was to sign for 4 years where he would be 26-27, and THEN be in for his pay day.
None of these guys are going to sign those 4 year contracts because of Tasmania coming on board, which is fair enough... that's business. However asking for another quarter of a million for your C grade talent level is taking the piss.
These guys are clearly not interested in being a "part of something special" it's bullshit. Rather it appears to be "I think I am special...pay me and I'll say whatever you want about "the vision."
All this without having proved anything yet.
F*CK them.

He’s B now. Fourth most disposals of any Saint and massive scope for improvement at 22. You can’t keep losing guys in that age bracket and drafting new ones. Aleer isn’t any good at VFL level and he’s getting star money. If we have to replace Windhager it costs us a FRDP and at least that wage. Hopefully he stays for less than offered outside the club.

 

[phantom13]

Eddie's confidence was reassuring.

Respectfully (and im not specifically directing this at you) weve heard the word "confidence" from a few people now.

It means nothing. We were confident about Battle until we werent.

 

[gringo2011]

Trav, Garcia, Box are all there in the wings if Windy decides to go.

And when they want a new contract we can let them go too.

 

[phantom13]

He’s B now. Fourth most disposals of any Saint and massive scope for improvement at 22. You can’t keep losing guys in that age bracket and drafting new ones. Aleer isn’t any good at VFL level and he’s getting star money. If we have to replace Windhager it costs us a FRDP and at least that wage. Hopefully he stays for less than offered outside the club.

I tend to think we can "lowball" Windy to a point, if he and his manager are smart they would wait until the Nas situation is sorted.

If Nas goes we really cant afford to lose windy and they should pay up (optics of them both going would be ****ing terrible).

I dont think $800k for him is outrageous personally but i guess different folks etc.

 

[gringo2011]

This thread seems genuinely unhealthy for a lot of people's mental health.

This club seems genuinely unhealthy

 

[The Punter]

The question on Windhager remains: do you think he can elevate above the status of soldier?

I am a fan. I want him to stay. But the fact remains that you can always find soldiers. Let's say for argument's sake that the entire list is retained except for those we all believe are being delisted, including Ryan Byrnes

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Our guys who can play inside mid would be: Windhager, Macrae, Nas, Steele, Clark, Dow, Pou, Garcia, Boxshall. Others who could be included in a pinch in that group are Carroll, Wilson, and Sinclair. Some can play other positions but I'd struggle to see how they can all play in the one team.

Windy is very good, and is starting to really accumulate the ball. But if he is only a soldier, then I feel he can be replaced. He's not key position and he's not a game changer.

And I reckon that's probably the view internally in our list management team.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Which feels very reasonable to get a key position player across.

Yeah people need to keep in mind we’re not only trying to outbid Carlton in regards to TDK, or GWS when it comes to Aleer, but also other suitors for both players.

So it’s $$$ to get players out of their somewhat comfortable homes with their mates, and more $$$ to fend off bigger and perhaps more immediately attractive clubs.

In that context $600k is fine.

 

[phantom13]

The question on Windhager remains: do you think he can elevate above the status of soldier?

I am a fan. I want him to stay. But the fact remains that you can always find soldiers. Let's say for argument's sake that the entire list is retained except for those we all believe are being delisted, including Ryan Byrnes.

Our guys who can play inside mid would be: Windhager, Macrae, Nas, Steele, Clark, Dow, Pou, Garcia, Boxshall. Others who could be included in a pinch in that group are Carroll, Wilson, and Sinclair. Some can play other positions but I'd struggle to see how they can all play in the one team.

Windy is very good, and is starting to really accumulate the ball. But if he is only a soldier, then I feel he can be replaced. He's not key position and he's not a game changer.

And I reckon that's probably the view internally in our list management team.

Hes certainly shown he can, will he do it consistently im not too sure.

I think hes a little better than just a soldier but hell probably never be elite.

He represents something pretty important though too. Academy kid, young indigenous leader, given the number 2 etc etc. There is a bit of sentimentality about him.

In reality if we lose him this off season WITH Nas also going, its a ****ing disaster, no other way to say it. Is it worth giving him an extra hundred K to keep him, id say so. Its not exactly sunk money, if were paying a perenial b grader doing a role $800 grand i can live with that.

Yeah people need to keep in mind we’re not only trying to outbid Carlton in regards to TDK, or GWS when it comes to Aleer, but also other suitors for both players.

So it’s $$$ to get players out of their somewhat comfortable homes with their mates, and more $$$ to fend off bigger and perhaps more immediately attractive clubs.

In that context $600k is fine.

We do but also, lets not kid ourselves, weve gone all in on TDK, its stupid money. Hell be the highest paid player in the comp next year by 300k or 400k, were comitted to it now, again he represents something bigger than just TDK but players being a bit miffed about his payday while their own negotations are being penny pinched was an obviously forseeable side effect.

 

[Mr Clunk]

Fmd Ross was a savage last night

Even poor Sloane wasn't exempt

Tried to do his cute little segment and Ross just shat all over it lmao

 

[stavro#4]

Ross was still coy on Nas. Obviously doesn't want to come across as overconfident. It's a delicate situation. He's backed himself in and it paid off. Think we just need to pay up basically. It's our most important signing in 20 years.

Ross made clear that the club has put up a “wall” with regards to information on the Nas deal last night

You only really do that when negotiations are at the pointy end.


Which would tie in with Eddies news.

 

[BrutThough]

Respectfully (and im not specifically directing this at you) weve heard the word "confidence" from a few people now.

It means nothing. We were confident about Battle until we werent.

That's completely fair. We wont now for sure until it actually happens.

But hearing it from a big media person not associated with the club is more reassuring then hearing it from self-proclaimed itk's that we are at least still in this.

It could all be false but for now, I'm taking it as a good sign.

 

[Saintbloke]

That and the whole direction of the club was heading into another mediocrity period.

Like the last couple of years have not been mediocre?