List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[SainterinSydney]

fellas fellas, after such a great moment for our club surely we are better than bringing out receipts, I mean really what good does it achieve? I mean sure, I could bring up the fact that I (along with a few other posters) went early saying we should sign Nas on 2 mil over 2 years and then fight for a longer commitment in 2027, while at the same time the great man stav was arguing that 1.4 over 2 years was overs and he would be demanding a longer deal or let him walk, only to then turn around and celebrate the 2m over 2 years like the rest of us, I could say that, but what good would it do us now? All just to score some imaginary BF forum points, I mean fellas please, we're better than that

The key thing is we got there in the end, which is the most important thing. None of us could have comprehended how bad it would have been for the Club if he had left. It was all fun discourse in the end, with the same goal sought by all!

 

[Broski]

All I will say is that the re-signing of Nas has changed the short-term view of our club to many outside of the four walls. The work we have done to fix our cap, invest in experienced staff in important roles and develop a strong culture is starting to bear fruit.

Without having one ounce of knowledge, the club would have had a rough idea of 2027 being a key year for our list build. The emergence of Nas being arguably the best player in the league has given us a firm deadline to meet.

I think that is a good thing, as it assures that we won't sit on our hands and stagnate. Being linked to promising players from other clubs is exciting, but like everything, there is risk involved. We have no idea if this will result in a flag.

However, I am optimistic that calculated trade additions in key areas (especially key positional players) will have a positive impact on our list next year. Our lack of height has lost us more games than I have had Coke No Sugars.

Our young core will continue to grow physically and the match experience they have received would be invaluable to their development. The addition of ready-made talent will hopefully close the gap between our best and worst.

As many have said, we haven't been great this year, yet if a bit of luck (a fit Max King

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

, injuries etc) went our way, it isn't crazy to suggest we would have won an extra 2-3 games. That's 12 wins for the season. Not terrible for a young side.

I dare say our Round 1 team next season will look much different to the one this year. Exciting six months coming up.

 

[thekizzler]

Out the crown on ignore, he is a clueless troll.
Aleer on 900k
TDK will be the same ages as Grundy...in two years.
Will want to be traded for pick 35.
The guy is a twat.

Has stimulated me today with his mindless ramblings.

For that I am thankful.

 

[Train12]

North supporters are funny.

They are harmless overall, they just have mega beliefs all their young players are absolute superstars and better than anyone else’s.

Kanga kanga kanga

 

[PJays]

TDK will be the same ages as Grundy...in two years.
Will want to be traded for pick 35.
The guy is a twat.

Follow the conversation

I'm saying Grundy was 2 years into his huge 7 year deal when Collingwood traded him.

TDK is 26 and is about to sign a huge 8 year deal.

I'm suggesting if TDK ends up like Grundy- an under-performing, overpaid ruck, with the pressure of 5 or 6 years left and looking for a fresh start- it could be a similarly disastrous situation for St Kilda as Collingwood found themselves in. Paying an ex-players contract.

Except it'd be even worse- TDK wouldn't be worth as much draft capital.

 

[SainterinSydney]

If Jimmy is going to retire, I wouldn't mind seeing him leave on a high, literally as his shoulder connects with Stringer's head (if he plays).

 

[saintbill]

If both play 22 games King monsters Sharman in goals

That's the obvious call but I wouldn't be so sure. Bit of pressuere mounting on King, but i wouldn't be expecting the world from Max.

King has played half a season of consistently great footy his entire career, and that was at the start of 22. Faded out hard that year, then 23-24 he was just okay, but certainly nothing special.

I don't think it is that realistic to expect a 50+ goal season from him next year. Given he has barely played for 3 years, will take time for him to work his way into IMO.

He is not one of these natural footballer types that can just miss large chunks and come back like nothing has changed. Very much a confidence player.

 

[OxSaint]

I was just going off what I heard in the media.

12 months ago I would've said it was laughable we offer Tom De Koning $1.7 million a year for 8 years.

Yet here we are, and most posters are supportive of the idea.

Don’t Bassat clear that up as over reported as well? Don’t believe everything you read.

 

[stfan]

Making someone the second highest paid player in the AFL, on an 8 year contract, when that player is 26 years old and hasn't demonstrated excellence (B&F finishes, AA appearances, AFLCA coaches votes, etc)

Honestly don't understand how anybody living in the real world (not some St Kilda fantasy land) could suggest that isn't a big risk.

The Bigger Risk was not chasing TDK as Nas was largely sold on being part of a successful St Kilda Team in the future, but a St Kilda that needs to be showing big improvement next season as well as the one after.
Chasing and securing a Big Fish like TDK was a huge indication to Nas, and to other targets (both now and in the 2026 Trade Period), that the Saints are serious about getting better now. No Big Fish such as TDK, could well have meant no Nas.
We needed to land a Big Fish, and whether you, or I, or any other St Kilda Supporter, like it that TDK is that Big Fish is irrelevant as he was the only Big Fish we could actually land after trying for well over a decade. And we have tried to land many.

Basically as our President has made clear this week, we need to take some risks to get better, as just going along risk free will see us going nowhere. If we fail we fail, but we were already failing.

TDK moved the needle. Retaining Nas then bent that needle way over.

 

[Joffaboy]

fellas fellas, after such a great moment for our club surely we are better than bringing out receipts, I mean really what good does it achieve? I mean sure, I could bring up the fact that I (along with a few other posters) went early saying we should sign Nas on 2 mil over 2 years and then fight for a longer commitment in 2027, while at the same time the great man stav was arguing that 1.4 over 2 years was overs and he would be demanding a longer deal or let him walk, only to then turn around and celebrate the 2m over 2 years like the rest of us, I could say that, but what good would it do us now? All just to score some imaginary BF forum points, I mean fellas please, we're better than that

Eff off mate, that's what this forum thrives on.
I demanded 2mill x 2 after the Dees game and SoS, obviously a huge advocate for the list management thread obviously heeded my advice.
Was browbeaten and told I was ridiculous he would leave after two. He would take the Port offer because he could do a knee and leave money on the table, and anyway Port had offered more so he was surely gone, SoS had stuffed up, he and Bassatt should be sacked, as well as that Wilkie, Steele and Marshall were blindfolded by the TDK deal.
I was told I was a fool, we were all idiots and SoS and Gubby Allen were destroying the club..
Low and behold NAZ signed for a million less over two years, Wilkie, Steele, and Marshall are not walking ( may trade only if we get overs for Marshall) and all the senior players were told exactly what the strategy was and were paid bonuses.

Was not coming with receipts, but the negs don't play by these rules so receipts kept, receipts used until the end of time.

 

[stavro#4]

fellas fellas, after such a great moment for our club surely we are better than bringing out receipts, I mean really what good does it achieve? I mean sure, I could bring up the fact that I (along with a few other posters) went early saying we should sign Nas on 2 mil over 2 years and then fight for a longer commitment in 2027, while at the same time the great man stav was arguing that 1.4 over 2 years was overs and he would be demanding a longer deal or let him walk, only to then turn around and celebrate the 2m over 2 years like the rest of us, I could say that, but what good would it do us now? All just to score some imaginary BF forum points, I mean fellas please, we're better than that

I haven’t backed away from the fact I hate the $2m a year for 2 year deal.

But he is here and I stand by myself saying if he left we should trade anyone over 25 with value.

 

[Sully111]

 

[OxSaint]

This makes more sense (the lower figure) - but who is reporting this? They are effectively all wrong all of the time. Ralph is still rolling with $3m over 4. He is not Tom Morris levels of 100% incorrect and not in the ballpark.

What is the supposed real contract for TDK?

They all speculate. Tim Watson appear to get some decent saints mail from someone at or close to the club when he was corrected on the Harley Reid rumour west coast leaked to him. Who knows but Bassat stated yesterday that it was overblown didn’t he?

My take is that he starts on a front ended deal at 1.7 that then tails off. My best guess is it more 1.3 to 1.4 averaged out.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Eff off mate, that's what this forum thrives on.
I demanded 2mill x 2 after the Dees game and SoS, obviously a huge advocate for the list management thread obviously heeded my advice.
Was browbeaten and told I was ridiculous he would leave after two. He would take the Port offer because he could do a knee and leave money on the table, and anyway Port had offered more so he was surely gone, SoS had stuffed up, he and Bassatt should be sacked, as well as that Wilkie, Steele and Marshall were blindfolded by the TDK deal.
I was told I was a fool, we were all idiots and SoS and Gubby Allen were destroying the club..
Low and behold NAZ signed for a million less over two years, Wilkie, Steele, and Marshall are not walking ( may trade only if we get overs for Marshall) and all the senior players were told exactly what the strategy was and were paid bonuses.

Was not coming with receipts, but the negs don't play by these rules so receipts kept, receipts used until the end of time.

after the dees game? so you were late

 

[OxSaint]

I haven’t backed away from the fact I hate the $2m a year for 2 year deal.

But he is here and I stand by myself saying if he left we should trade anyone over 25 with value.

For all the people moaning about Liam Ryan, the NAS deal is more likely to impact the clubs fortunes than getting trading a 3rd rounder for Liam on a modest $600k salary. That’s pretty close to league average.

I don’t see too many complaining about the Nas deal. As they shouldn’t, we needed to keep him.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

I haven’t backed away from the fact I hate the $2m a year for 2 year deal.

But he is here and I stand by myself saying if he left we should trade anyone over 25 with value.

it's ok to be wrong stavro, I think we should just accept that the better greek won see u in 2027

 

[John2010362340]

When is the tv rights deal up? I suspect the next one will be worth much less money, given they (likely) wont have Foxtel coming to the table for the next one.

Can’t see Stan(channel 9) paying that sort of money either.

Can see the caps going backwards in the next 10 years

It won’t, you’ll have all the streamers bidding on it. Wouldn’t be surprised if Netflix, Amazon are all involved in the next rights.

 

[stavro#4]

it's ok to be wrong stavro, I think we should just accept that the better greek won see u in 2027

This is Arthur isn’t it

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

This is Arthur isn’t it

haha no sorry idk what this means, but yasu malaka

 

[stfan]

Seems like we're prematurely changing course after doing a lot of good work building through the draft. With that said, maybe we do end up trading out Marshall and Steele for picks. It all seems very sideways though.

The planned chartered course has always included some turns. This was always to initially focus heavily on youth (TICK), but then to also focus on getting some ready to play players, as well as more youth.

This is why the "War Chest" was timed for now. Once made, the War Chest has to be spent. Otherwise it is pretty pointless to have made one.

If we gain good momentum in 2026 the quality of players who might choose to join for 2027+ is mav well then improve too.

Now whether we run into a reef, or make it to our dream destination, remains to be seen. But we have been just sailing the high seas in circles for a long time.

 

[stavro#4]

haha no sorry idk what this means, but yasu malaka

Oh Arthur

Bigfooty and X.

What a Malaka.

 

[akaifu]

This is Arthur isn’t it

Arthur doesn't type more than 5 words per line

 

[Moquo]

Given the signing and the big deal about today’s open training I’m surprised I’ve heard nothing about it.

Did anyone get along?

Anyway there’s this

Good to see the Secret Service dude there looking after our investment!

 

[stavro#4]

Arthur doesn't type more than 5 words per line

I was just about to tag you.

The freedom of Big footy means we get unrestricted speech Arthur

Explains it all now

 

[Sippa]

The most exciting thing for me next year is our midfield mix … nas hall Phillipou windy Garcia boxshall maybe Wilson macrae prob still in there so much more interesting and exciting than what we have had

With tdk providing better first service option too like it or not than what row can .. that’s where I see our fast improvement coming from with a fit king and Henry back