The Jamarra Thread

[Fossie 32]

If I'm allowed to psychoanalyse here I do find the whole thing a bit strange because:

• He still does seem to have some genuine affection on a personal level for the club and his teammates. He's not acting this way because he wants to play elsewhere (as opposed to the Dogs) or is hating the club environment.
• The only reason he can play up in the manner that he can is precisely because he is an AFL player. For all of the other difficult to manage AFL players who were given several chances/education, most of them still found a away to try and be productive in an AFL sense, because where the money is coming from. He may want to piss away his money and keep bad company but surely there's a motivation to earn the money to have pissed away and to have that company retain. So why the hell isn't his manager telling him to pull his head in, for no other reason than the both of them want to earn money in the future.

It really speaks to some deeper issues - ones I don't truly understand - and perhaps why he's been treated the way that he has, because on a human/personal level, there's something truly strange going on in the way he's been acting. Sometimes people do stupid or counter-productive things in their life, but there's a simple explanation (lack of support, wrong time/wrong place, etc.).

Perhaps it is just trauma and cultural, because I don't really have an explanation.

Ugle-Hagan opens up on mental health struggle, future at the Dogs

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan says he wants to stay at the Bulldogs beyond his current contract

www.afl.com.au

 

[Del203211]

Swans have turned their attention to Curnow.

What happens if nobody else wants him? Can we pay him out?

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Swans have turned their attention to Curnow.

What happens if nobody else wants him? Can we pay him out?

I reckon the AFL will pay the bill if we have to. A bloke not doing anything to play AFL can’t be put on the club.

I’d say this for any player. This isn’t Clayton Oliver or Tarryn Thomas, those blokes still trained and played.

Thank **** we didn’t sign him to a 6+ year contract.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Thank **** we didn’t sign him to a 6+ year contract.

I think this is the point being missed by a lot of people.

It's not an ideal situation at all but purely from a salary cap, footballing sense it could have been far worse.

Melbourne have Clayton Oliver running around as a shadow of the player he used to be on more money for far longer and they just have to accept it. That's harming their future football far more than our salary cap hit for a year or two on Jamarra.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Imagine if Marra was our only forward, we would be besides ourselves, instead he is one of a group of possibly four, inclusive of Crofty, who are top of league in terms of forwards.

If the worst comes to the worst, and we part ways with a payout settlement we are still in a strong position for forwards. It did cost us a draft hand in a draft, where possibly we could have filled the gap in our small forwards or defenders, but happy with Westy and Buss is making progress.

 

[weltschmerz]

If the worst comes to the worst, and we part ways with a payout settlement we are still in a strong position for forwards. It did cost us a draft hand in a draft, where possibly we could have filled the gap in our small forwards or defenders, but happy with Westy and Buss is making progress.

It was also a shocker of a draft. The Treloar trade also served us really well that year, iirc we traded our first rounder and a future second for Treloar and a bunch of late picks. I wouldn't have been upset at trading our first for Treloar even without JUH in the picture, he's certainly better than damn near anyone in that draft.

 

[iambrilliant]

It was also a shocker of a draft. The Treloar trade also served us really well that year, iirc we traded our first rounder and a future second for Treloar and a bunch of late picks. I wouldn't have been upset at trading our first for Treloar even without JUH in the picture, he's certainly better than damn near anyone in that draft.

And we picked up James Odonell a few years later who technically would’ve been apart of that draft crop if he wasn’t playing cricket.

As well as poulter for free who went at pick 30 in that draft. Not sure if he makes it or not but we still got to grab another player around that age group from the 2020 draft

 

[stevieg1969]

It was also a shocker of a draft. The Treloar trade also served us really well that year, iirc we traded our first rounder and a future second for Treloar and a bunch of late picks. I wouldn't have been upset at trading our first for Treloar even without JUH in the picture, he's certainly better than damn near anyone in that draft.

The 2020 draft was awful. Geelong, again, nailed it with Max Holmes and Shannon Neale. Thilthorpe is the standout and Essendon wasted 3 top 10 picks on Cox, Perkins and Reid through bad luck or bad management.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I mustn’t have been clear enough. My post attempted to address how involved a club might be in supporting, directing, steering a young man out of unhealthy life choices. It’s sticky at the best of times because frankly it’s an HR breach to weigh in on personal life stuff for management.

As we saw with hawthorn though, the waters can be murky about providing cultural safety for the player as well as support

As has been pointed out earlier, the club is not solely responsible for a player’s welfare. It can provide a lot of support in various ways but its resources are limited. It simply can’t focus on one person. How about leaving Marra’s rehabilitation to the people who know him best: his family and his management.

But ultimately he has free choice in how he wants to live his life. Most of us know or know of someone whose life is more complicated than it needs to be but who is also impervious to advice.

 

[Zgope1]

As has been pointed out earlier, the club is not solely responsible for a player’s welfare. It can provide a lot of support in various ways but its resources are limited. It simply can’t focus on one person. How about leaving Marra’s rehabilitation to the people who know him best: his family and his management.

But ultimately he has free choice in how he wants to live his life. Most of us know or know of someone whose life is more complicated than it needs to be but who is also impervious to advice.

Agree

 

[Del203211]

Is he training at the club at the moment?

 

[Golden_6]

Is he training at the club at the moment?

I sure hope not. There’s no benefit to the club now given we have bigger things to worry about.

Ample opportunity has been provided to Jamarra to integrate into the program numerous times.

I will credit the group though. It doesn’t appear that any of this external noise has caused any issues internally or on field.

 

[Bald]

Is he training at the club at the moment?

No.

 

[Walsh Bay]

Is he training at the club at the moment?

At the club? Ha. If you opened his locker, there'd be an empty gatorade bottle and a dented Musk Till Dawn.

 

[Mofra]

Is he training at the club at the moment?

Spends a chunk of his time at a boxing gym in Derrimut.

He should just cut the charade and switch sports already. Then find a better bunch of mentors (e.g. Team Ellis)

 

[Libbaaaa]

One thing that has been shitting me a little bit is the throw away line of 'the Cats/Swans etc... would back their culture to turn him around' like the culture of our club has contributed to his choices.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

One thing that has been shitting me a little bit is the throw away line of 'the Cats/Swans etc... would back their culture to turn him around' like the culture of club has contributed to his choices.

Yeah, from what I know Cat’s culture is do what you like, just rock up for games.

Bulldogs is, you represent the club, in whatever you do. If you stuff up, there are consequences.

 

[BrisDog]

Yeah, from what I know Cat’s culture is do what you like, just rock up for games.

Bulldogs is, you represent the club, in whatever you do. If you stuff up, there are consequences.

The cats tolerated a coach who had a penchant for ‘frozen water’. They will do whatever it takes.

 

[stefoid]

The cats tolerated a coach who had a penchant for ‘frozen water’. They will do whatever it takes.

amazing interview. "bought into an ice business". Got busted with 500 mda pills and 30grams of speed at his house and but got off a charge of trafficking. Track down his lawyer if you ever get into trouble...

 

[Norm De Guerre]

One thing that has been shitting me a little bit is the throw away line of 'the Cats/Swans etc... would back their culture to turn him around' like the culture of our club has contributed to his choices.

Like the mythical "No Dickheads" policy at the dogs. It's a nonsense.

The reality is that they're all looking for a bargain and a short cut, as a means of winning a premiership. So they use the pre-emptive fig leaf of club culture as cover should bringing in a wayward star blow up in their face.

amazing interview. "bought into an ice business". Got busted with 500 mda pills and 30grams of speed at his house and but got off a charge of trafficking. Track down his lawyer if you ever get into trouble...

Thats why we command ≈ $1000 an hour. For 'special cases.'

 

[Foxman98]

 

[BrisDog]

LOL - not quite how he described it!!

 

[Foxman98]

LOL - not quite how he described it!!

Don't believe all you hear in the media!

There clearly are 20 people hiding around the corner!

 

[Struggle]

He's built for finals footy with how calm he is in a high stress environment

 

[TiAn_]

Great track