West Coast - When will the AFL step in?

[Purple Suit]

One was pick 57, one pick 8.

Pretty embarrassing Freo fans continue to defend Amiss’ horrid season.

31 goals vs 16 goals.

Your mate got dropped from the worst team in the History of the AFL and couldn't get back into it. How can you suggest that he's not had a better season than Williams?

 

[Shueygod]

31 goals vs 16 goals.

Your mate got dropped from the worst team in the History of the AFL and couldn't get back into it. How can you suggest that he's not had a better season than Williams?

The fact that Williams got dropped with better averages than Amiss is a pretty large concern for Fremantle. Not the flex you think.

 

[HairyO]

What ridiculous move?

Not offer an injury riddled OAllen $1m per year for 6 years?

This article is so brain-meltingly dumb I don't know where to start.

So in the mind of WCE and their supporters, an injury riddled player is worth pick 2 compensation?

Especially when the club hasnt even offered him a contract?

Really?

 

[Shueygod]

So in the mind of WCE and their supporters, an injury riddled player is worth pick 2 compensation?

Especially when the club hasnt even offered him a contract?

Really?

Not in the mind of WCE supporters, in the reality of the terms set out by the AFL.

 

[HairyO]

Not in the mind of WCE supporters, in the reality of the terms set out by the AFL.

Yeah, we are all so very sure that the compensation you get will be worth it based on his contract, and not based on the AFL not wanting to admit that they are gifting you additional support.

If this is how the captain is treated, I do wonder what the rest of the players must be feeling.

Does WCE have a leadership group?

 

[bzparkes]

So in the mind of WCE and their supporters, an injury riddled player is worth pick 2 compensation?

Especially when the club hasnt even offered him a contract?

Really?

You're ignoring how compensation works.

He's worth band 1 compo, which Brisbane are happy to pay him.

We get pick 2 because we are at the bottom of the ladder.

That's all there is to it.

Free agency has been shown to be a tool used by clubs contending to raid clubs down the bottom of the ladder.

Those clubs need to be compensated for losing their best players, or players need to be able to be traded regardless of whether they want to or no.

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah, we are all so very sure that the compensation you get will be worth it based on his contract, and not based on the AFL not wanting to admit that they are gifting you additional support.

If this is how the captain is treated, I do wonder what the rest of the players must be feeling.

Does WCE have a leadership group?

How's the captain been 'treated'?

He was the one shopping himself around, just like Barrass did for the 2 seasons prior to him moving.

If they're happy to shop themselves to other clubs behind their current club's back, whilst in leadership positions, then they can go shove it if they want to whinge that WCE aren't going to match those offers.

 

[Obeanie1]

You just had the worst season in the history of the AFL. I think this is a valid comment until proven otherwise. It's too early to tell on the kids if you have fixed your talent and development issues yet.

2017 is 8 years ago.

And your comment was the Eagles haven't don't much decent drafting since 2017.

It's a BS troll comment and you know it.

Move on.

 

[The Gtrain]

How cares how old they are? Reid is young and about to win the rising star award. We have young rookies too but apparently it's only National Draft picks that count in your book.


You just had the worst season in the history of the AFL. I think this is a valid comment until proven otherwise. It's too early to tell on the kids if you have fixed your talent and development issues yet.

You care, as shown by you stating

"The reason we're the youngest team in the finals is due to the talent that Walls has gotten on the list and our ability to develop it."

 

[Obeanie1]

So in the mind of WCE and their supporters, an injury riddled player is worth pick 2 compensation?

Especially when the club hasnt even offered him a contract?

Really?

No that's what the AFL decide.

Nothing to do with what we think.

You do get how FA compo picks work don't you?

 

[Shueygod]

Yeah, we are all so very sure that the compensation you get will be worth it based on his contract, and not based on the AFL not wanting to admit that they are gifting you additional support.

If this is how the captain is treated, I do wonder what the rest of the players must be feeling.

Does WCE have a leadership group?

I don’t know why you would assume that his contract wouldn’t be band one worthy? Considering all we have heard from the media is that it is.

From a Brisbane perspective paying an extra 100k to ensure they get Oscar is tidy business.

 

[HairyO]

No that's what the AFL decide.

Nothing to do with what we think.

You do get how FA compo picks work don't you?

I get that the AFL uses the FA compensation picks to fiddle the system and get extra support to terrible clubs without having to admit they are giving extra support to terrible clubs.

 

[Scotland]

No it isn’t, but in accumulation with everything else, when you are in the stage where you need experience, it is detrimental.

What do people want WC to do exactly?

Trading TB got us a first and second round pick this year. Allen leaving will get us pick 2. I'd love to still have both on the list going into 2026 but we're not going to get anywhere picking once in the top 30 each year. We need to do something to try and get some elite talent onto the list and at the end of the day TB is 30 and Allen doesn't have a body of work to support his awesome 2023 season. Last year we had AA McGovern and TB anchoring the defence, AA Waterman kicking 50+ goals and Allen coming back and playing well the last 5-10 games... and we still came 16th.

I've seen WC at opposite ends of the ladder plenty of times and I've heard 100s of opinions about it. I have never seen so much concentrated negativity directed at every single thing the club does or doesn't do, though.

 

[bzparkes]

What do people want WC to do exactly?

Move on senior players to generate high end draft capital whilst simultaneously not letting those same players go because we need leadership & experience and if we take either of those options, or none, we're not serious about our rebuild oh and don't dare ask the AFL for assistance.

TLDR: These supporters just want WCE stuck at the bottom for as long as possible and nothing else.

 

[Scotland]

I get that the AFL uses the FA compensation picks to fiddle the system and get extra support to terrible clubs without having to admit they are giving extra support to terrible clubs.

Franklin was 2013. Frawley was 2014. Over a decade ago now. Band 1 compo is still band 1 compo.

The real issue is that you can't have a transparent system without contract disclosure. Just sack up and say that Allen signed for 5 years $900k or whatever it is and be done with it.

 

[Scotland]

Move on senior players to generate high end draft capital whilst simultaneously not letting those same players go because we need leadership & experience and if we take either of those options, or none, we're not serious about our rebuild oh and don't dare ask the AFL for assistance.

TLDR: These supporters just want WCE stuck at the bottom for as long as possible and nothing else.

We should also offer Allen a contract that would be worthy of band 1 compo should he be joining the club, even though he is simultaneously not worth that to any other club and if we do get band 1 compo it is only due to AFL manipulation.

 

[Purple Suit]

The fact that Williams got dropped with better averages than Amiss is a pretty large concern for Fremantle. Not the flex you think.

How did he have better averages?

Amiss - 1.34 goals a game
Williams - 1.23 goals a game

Amiss has kicked 112 goals in his career and Williams has kicked 37.

You care, as shown by you stating

"The reason we're the youngest team in the finals is due to the talent that Walls has gotten on the list and our ability to develop it."

That talent doesn't have to be 1st year players.

2017 is 8 years ago.

And your comment was the Eagles haven't don't much decent drafting since 2017.

It's a BS troll comment and you know it.

Move on.

For 10 years, yes. Although recent stuff is too early to tell due to the time it takes for players to emerge. Therefore it might be a 7 year period that you have stuffed up and only time will tell if the system has been fixed in the past three seasons.

 

[HairyO]

Franklin was 2013. Frawley was 2014. Over a decade ago now. Band 1 compo is still band 1 compo.

The real issue is that you can't have a transparent system without contract disclosure. Just sack up and say that Allen signed for 5 years $900k or whatever it is and be done with it.

And the AFL has always had a rule which lets them massage their mystical formula to get the result they wanted.

 

[Shueygod]

How did he have better averages?

Amiss - 1.34 goals a game
Williams - 1.23 goals a game

Better player rating and SC, regardless the fact it’s even comparable considering one is pick 8 and the other 57 should shut down the silly notion of poor talent identification.

 

[Purple Suit]

Better player rating and SC, regardless the fact it’s even comparable considering one is pick 8 and the other 57 should shut down the silly notion of poor talent identification.

This is insane.

Want me to compare the two Reid's too considering 1 is a pick 1 and the other a pick 17?

 

[Scotland]

And the AFL has always had a rule which lets them massage their mystical formula to get the result they wanted.

Which is the main reason people hate it.

Are Perryman and Battle really band 1 free agents? No one cared that much because GWS made the semi finals and St Kilda ended up with pick 10. With Allen people are losing their minds because it's pick 2. His best is easily better than those two guys.

I wonder how many toys would be thrown from cots if Allen was fielding $1m offers from everywhere.

 

[HairyO]

Which is the main reason people hate it.

Are Perryman and Battle really band 1 free agents? No one cared that much because GWS made the semi finals and St Kilda ended up with pick 10. With Allen people are losing their minds because it's pick 2. His best is easily better than those two guys.

I wonder how many toys would be thrown from cots if Allen was fielding $1m offers from everywhere.

If he was sought after then I suspect people would be okay with it. When it is just one club where there is literally zero info available then the conspiracy theories are obviously going to pop up.

Brisbane paying Allen more than Morris 2 years from now would be a disgrace. Morris is going to be an outright champion and deserves every penny Brisbane pay him.

 

[The Gtrain]

This is insane.

Want me to compare the two Reid's too considering 1 is a pick 1 and the other a pick 17?

and this is how it started, Reid is so amazing, cant believe they chose Allan instead, eagles have awful talent identification..

 

[Shueygod]

This is insane.

Want me to compare the two Reid's too considering 1 is a pick 1 and the other a pick 17?

Whats insane about it, I’ve provided objective evidence pick 57 Williams is having at worse a comparable impact in games played to pick 8 Amiss.

You can’t refute it with any statistic out there, just that Amiss “creates opportunities”.

Go for it, Harley is clearly better.

 

[Purple Suit]

Whats insane about it, I’ve provided objective evidence pick 57 Williams is having at worse a comparable impact in games played to pick 8 Amiss.

You can’t refute it with any statistic out there, just that Amiss “creates opportunities”.

Go for it, Harley is clearly better.

You said that Amiss hasn't had a better season than Williams who got dropped and only played 13 games. You are basing this on supercoach points or player ratings averages yet not interested in totals as a measure of output?