List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[SainterinSydney]

Could be bs, but some on Carlton board saying rumour is Dogs weren't happy with JSOS medical and withdrawing interest. Gives me concern if true for us if we are interested.

 

[akaifu]

Is the mystery mid Walsh? The whole discontent surrounding Walsh and the previous noise as per Stav re Walsh?

Walsh won't leave, that was already confirmed last week

Cal Twomey said on Gettable that we are "locked in" on a midfield recruit and suggested Sam Flanders but he said he doesn't know for sure

Cam MacKenzie the other rumour

 

[akaifu]

I do wonder Gold Coast stance on flanders

They’ve been known too be pretty flexible during trade periods

Do they see him as a required player still?

Well he was sub last week and he'd be keeping about 5 first round pick midfielders out of the team next year (Lombard, Rogers, Graham, Uwland, Patterson) so....

 

[BrutThough]

Our first for ryan and hawthorn's (wc own it)

No first rounders of any capacity should be used in a Liam Ryan trade. Even moving back that money spots of a first round would be a bad deal for us.

 

[stavro#4]

Is the mystery mid Walsh? The whole discontent surrounding Walsh and the previous noise as per Stav re Walsh?

Twomey said last night that he will explore his free agency next year. So staying it seems.

 

[sauce_head]

No first rounders of any capacity should be used in a Liam Ryan trade. Even moving back that money spots of a first round would be a bad deal for us.

But that’s how we get Flanders in this scenario. So getting Ryan for “free” in the downgrade.

 

[BrutThough]

But that’s how we get Flanders in this scenario. So getting Ryan for “free” in the downgrade.

There will be other ways for that to happen without giving a top 10 pick for Liam Ryan. While I realise we would be getting other stuff back in that deal, the optics look like a top 10 pick for a 29 year old average small forward. And thats vomitt inducing.

 

[sauce_head]

There will be other ways for that to happen without giving a top 10 pick for Liam Ryan. While I realise we would be getting other stuff back in that deal, the optics look like a top 10 pick for a 29 year old average small forward. And thats vomitt inducing.

Understand there are other ways. But the optics would be wrong. The optics would be our pick for a 24 year old mid and a 29 year old premiership small forward.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree, just seeking to clarify.

 

[Yawkey way]

I think you need to be open to far more possibilities.

They might decide they want to retain Marshall.

Trade down with the eagles to get Ryan and trade that Hawks pick for Flanders.

And thus they have burnt 1 pick and retained a first in nexts years supposedly stronger draft.

Everything needs to be on the table.

Including trading any or all of: Steele Marshall Windhager Heath.

They have obviously done far more work than any whispers heard or anything the industry media picked up. Which would make it hard to get 4 trades done if it is Aleer over JSOS.

Which simultaneously makes JSOS a far more attractive option as he would be a free agent. More dependable but smaller and can’t impact aerially in the vein of Aleer.

Silvagni is 194cm and a much better mark than Aleer, guys been playing tall for years.

 

[phantom13]

I may have laughed out loud a little when I read this. The mechanics of both Owens and Higgins ball drops are absolutely disgusting and don't seem to be changing any time soon.

Higgos you can at least see how its developed into what it has and there is a degree of "natural" arc to it (hes a big across the body kicker and the drop and snappy hips all tie into that).

Owens looks like its the first time hes ever seen or held a footy.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I’m more interested in us having a sustained run at finals not in for 1 year out next 4 sorta thing

Well this is what AB and Ross have said they are aiming at from the beginning.
So lets hope their eyes are still firmly on that goal.

Having said that they obviously want to make finals while Wilkie, Sincs etc are still around. We are paying the price for ad hoc rebuilds / poor draft picks in the past that have seen us with a dearth of players in the mid- 20s range.

Its a tough one. A real balancing act.

 

[BrutThough]

Understand there are other ways. But the optics would be wrong. The optics would be our pick for a 24 year old mid and a 29 year old premiership small forward.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree, just seeking to clarify.

Reality might be getting those 2 players but most people dont put those situation together and look at it in totality.

 

[Bob Butter]

There will be other ways for that to happen without giving a top 10 pick for Liam Ryan. While I realise we would be getting other stuff back in that deal, the optics look like a top 10 pick for a 29 year old average small forward. And thats vomitt inducing.

You're not trading anything for Ryan in this scenario. You're trading what is currently pick 7 for Flanders and essentially getting Ryan for free.

 

[Yawkey way]

It’s going to be a very intriguing October. Will be interesting to see if/how these deals get done, but they all seemingly improve our squad significantly.

I don’t see a world where we recruit all of these players without Marshall and Steele leaving. As much as I have loved both players, they are approaching 30 and will be replaced by players with superior output.

Importantly, apart from the Ryan rumour, all of the targets are in an age bracket that we seriously lack 24-28. Flanders would be a fantastic addition, as he’s proven to be a quality player who isn’t able to play in a preferred position. Just can’t see him coming for cheap due to being contracted for a further two seasons, but it seems like we’ve done plenty of work in the background this year.

Personally, I’d love Windy to stay in the perfect scenario. Maybe us haggling a bit is due to having room for several trades to get done.

If we perform a perfect landing this offseason, the membership sales and excitement for round one will be huge.

I wonder how much of a kick they got from the $7 3 game Nas promotion.

 

[beside the seaside]

You're not trading anything for Ryan in this scenario. You're trading what is currently pick 7 for Flanders and essentially getting Ryan for free.

Giving up pick 7 for Flanders would be dumb. Gold Coast don't even rate him, started sub this week.

 

[BrutThough]

You're not trading anything for Ryan in this scenario. You're trading what is currently pick 7 for Flanders and essentially getting Ryan for free.

You are trading Pick 7 for Ryan and a first. Then on trading that first rounder (for a guy they've pushed out of his best position and playing as sub with season on the line mind you). That's still giving up a significant asset to help acquire Ryan.

Any situation where West Coast get a first rounder for Ryan would be bad trading. We have future picks and other ways to get what is required for any players without giving something that large to West Coast.

 

[Yawkey way]

So I guess this will be Ryan Byrnes trying to get into RSEA park next year

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I think we’ll keep him.

Played 17 games this year, good leadership qualities and another local boy who wouldn’t be on much.

 

[Bob Butter]

Giving up pick 7 for Flanders would be dumb. Gold Coast don't even rate him, started sub this week.

I agree I was just elaborating on what the other poster was suggesting. I actually think in this draft he would be worth it, he's a gun and especially in our system he would be amazing off HB replacing Nas as he moves into the mids. However I would be extremely reluctant to trade 7 for him seeing as how GC have traded players for next to nothing in the past and that with even move midfield academy players coming this year, they'll have 4-5 players looking to take his spot.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

You are trading Pick 7 for Ryan and a first. Then on trading that first rounder (for a guy they've pushed out of his best position and playing as sub with season on the line mind you). That's still giving up a significant asset to help acquire Ryan.

Any situation where West Coast get a first rounder for Ryan would be bad trading. We have future picks and other ways to get what is required for any players without giving something that large to West Coast.

Yep, depends where Hawks end up. If they bow out in the first week then it’s, what, 8 to 12 or 13? Doesn’t sound like much, but that’s usually a late first rounder I would have thought. If they win a final, it’s an absolute get out of here.

 

[Yawkey way]

Obviously don’t know what you’re talking about Higgins 46 goals 17p a rate of 63% accuracy (in top bracket in AFL) improved from 52 percent last year but don’t let the facts get in the way of your story!

Works hard on his kicking, I’m told he’s been seen quite a few times in the ammo’s ground at elsternwick park working on his kicking.

 

[Bob Butter]

You are trading Pick 7 for Ryan and a first. Then on trading that first rounder (for a guy they've pushed out of his best position and playing as sub with season on the line mind you). That's still giving up a significant asset to help acquire Ryan.

Any situation where West Coast get a first rounder for Ryan would be bad trading. We have future picks and other ways to get what is required for any players without giving something that large to West Coast.

I think you're greatly overthinking this scenario. We would be trading 7 for Flanders and Ryan. I'm not necessarily saying we should trade 7 for Flanders, but if we did, and we can also get Ryan for that same pick, then who cares. You would rather trade a future second purely so WC don't get the satisfaction of moving up 1 spot in the draft?

 

[FQFjt]

Silvagni is 194cm and a much better mark than Aleer, guys been playing tall for years.

They both are listed as 194cm.

In a world where most teams have multiple key forwards of 198cm or more, neither of them is really a proper key defender, nor is Wilkie (191) or Tauru (193). We will absolutely need one of Caminiti and Howard playing every week as well, which then creates a bit of a headache for balancing all of those parts. Which is not to mention that we currently have no one on the list who can play on dangerous small forwards. Hastie is going to need to step up to that mantle next year.

 

[thekizzler]

Works hard on his kicking, I’m told he’s been seen quite a few times in the ammo’s ground at elsternwick park working on his kicking.

Well done Missy Higgins ;-)

Loved Jack's rise.

Keen to see him get a few minutes through the midfield next season as well.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Full cap for 2026. So would need the draft.

But end of 2027 a lot of big earners including nas are OOC

Is this counting Roma and Steele as still in?

 

[thekizzler]

They both are listed as 194cm.

In a world where most teams have multiple key forwards of 198cm or more, neither of them is really a proper key defender, nor is Wilkie (191) or Tauru (193). We will absolutely need one of Caminiti and Howard playing every week as well, which then creates a bit of a headache for balancing all of those parts. Which is not to mention that we currently have no one on the list who can play on dangerous small forwards. Hastie is going to need to step up to that mantle next year.

Stocker.

But granted we definitely aren't flush for players in that area - especially with Webster retirement and McLennan delisting.

I would assume this might be a target for us in the back end of the draft.

Not sure if Hastie is a lock-down type or if he is a rebounding defender/winger. Will be interesting to see how he develops.