Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[DangerousD]

It’s been King for 6 months. It’s been Charlie for 4 years.

100% factually incorrect.

In the past 7 years King has out scored Charlie in 4 of those, in one of the years Charlie pipped him by 2 goals and beat him another season because King didn’t play a game

 

[gab213]

100% factually incorrect.

In the past 7 years King has out scored Charlie in 4 of those and in one of the years Charlie pipped him by 2 goals

yeah, but charlies missed two of those years through injury, still doesnt make King the more valuable player though DD.

 

[Stamos]

More goals.

2019: King

Question, when did 17 become more than 18?

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

Score involvements? Give me the forward who kicks more goals on a consistent basis.

That’s King by the way

Interesting opinion...

 

[Stamos]

100% factually incorrect.

In the past 7 years King has out scored Charlie in 4 of those, in one of the years Charlie pipped him by 2 goals and beat him another season because King didn’t play a game

This isn’t true.
Even though Charlie played a total of 4 games in 2020 and 2021.

 

[carlton_99]

More goals.

2019: King
2020: King
2021: King
2022: Charlie
2023: Charlie
2024: Charlie
2025: King

You’re right though, Charlie is more than just goals and King is a real stay at home full forward who doesn’t do much outside of kicking goals, but he kicks more goals and to me is a much smarter player.

Yeh but you are counting years where one of them missed most or all of the season due to injury. 2019, 2020 and 2021 Charlie only played 15 games total across the three seasons. 2022 King didn't play at all. It's only really 2023/2024/2025 where we have seen them both play near full seasons.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Was told the below last night from a recent ex-player... Only passing on what I was told:

1) GW's summary is that the club culture is toxic and needs repairing. Has made it known to the players that none of them are bigger than the club.

2) Players given a 'shape up or ship out' ultimatum, with a focus on team-first mentality

3) Saints front runners for JSOS

4) Voss gave Charlie a baking a few times during the season, more-so about his poor off-field attitude. Tipping point was Charlie riding his bike into the North game when he had a minor injury complaint earlier in that week.

5) Behind the scenes, we're open to trading Curnow. Our public position is just the usual fun and games. Will only trade him for well overs. Sydney the front runners.

6) Cripps likely to stand down as Captain. The role has exhausted him mentally, hence his absence in media roles this year.

Appreciate the info and the assessment of the toxic culture reinforces what we all probably thought following the demise late last season and the Round 1 debacle. In part it explains the “we shouldn’t be this bad” conundrum.

Given that I’m now in board with GW and decisions to move on Hollands and perhaps not moving ‘heaven and earth’ to keep JSOS and now maybe Charlie.

Re: Cripps - a little whisper I heard was he had had chats with West Coast in the last few weeks. Nothing more than that but suspect it would be more West Coast sounding him out rather than Cripps exploring a trade.

 

[DangerousD]

Question, when did 17 become more than 18?

It’s not, must have mis read

 

[gab213]

Question, when did 17 become more than 18?

Not to mention Charlie's 18 goals in 11 games, King's 17 in 14 games, statistics can be very misleading without context or specific details.

 

[gbatman]

Wright sounds exactly what we have needed for the last 30 odd years. Not sure exactly how he goes about it but if the recruiting and coaching is good, it's going to work out.

The Elijah Hollands situation is interesting. Don't seem to know the details of what he has done but it's something we won't tolerate and he has to go. Looks as if he is contracted so there is that slim chance he is still on our list next season.

 

[DZ4]

100% factually incorrect.

In the past 7 years King has out scored Charlie in 4 of those, in one of the years Charlie pipped him by 2 goals and beat him another season because King didn’t play a game

Charlie outscored King from 2016-2018, if you want to continue being disingenuous.

 

[DangerousD]

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Interesting opinion...

It’s not an opinion, King averages more goals per game than Charlie.

 

[DangerousD]

Not to mention Charlie's 18 goals in 11 games, King's 17 in 14 games, statistics can be very misleading without context or specific details.

Of course, that’s why you can look at a players average goals per game, which Kings is higher

 

[DZ4]

Where’s this Ridley chat coming from..?
Need to be cautious with the head knocks and the soft tissue recurring issues..

Doedee has been inactive for 3 seasons now (a couple of cameos this year but couldn’t make the step up..?)?
Would also need FA contract upheld..

Both 3rd talls.

Ridley has reportedly asked for a trade out of Essendon and has nominated Brisbane as his club of choice.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

It’s not an opinion, King averages more goals per game than Charlie.

No he doesn't

 

[DangerousD]

Charlie outscored King from 2016-2018, if you want to continue being disingenuous.

Sweet you include that, I’ll just leave this, if we are going calling about goals, King averages more per game.

This doesn’t make him a better player, it just means he averages more goals per game

 

[gab213]

Of course, that’s why you can look at a players average goals per game, which Kings is higher

Even then DD, how much time does he spend away from the goal in a game? There's many factors but I think that it's indisputable that Charlie's the better player. King is very good, Charlie's a superstar when he's fit and firing , he has a much higher ceiling than King.

 

[The Bighouse]

Ridley has reportedly asked for a trade out of Essendon and has nominated Brisbane as his club of choice.

Cheers, saw it pop up on Fox c/- Tom Morris report.
Interesting. There was supposedly to be an exodus due to their poor injury management but they ditched their HP man (though there is still time for this to unfold).

 

[gab213]

No he doesn't

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So, on every other metric, Charlie is superior, even in goals, they are tied, so King's not superior in any way.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

Sweet you include that, I’ll just leave this, if we are going calling about goals, King averages more per game.

This doesn’t make him a better player, it just means he averages more goals per game

Pity that's not true I guess.

 

[Sickblue]

Re E. Hollands I wonder their is a bit of strategy in this call to “explore your options” in that it’s unlikely another club will offer us anything of material value to convince us to do a trade, but it will hopefully put an all mighty rocket up him in the hope he can finally changes his ways and fully commits to a professional lifestyle. He has so much god given talent and is what we lack so badly so I pray to high heaven he can sort those vices out. Love that GW, Vossy and co are no longer being held hostage to shit and or selfish behavior.

 

[gab213]

Re E. Hollands I wonder their is a bit of strategy in this call to “explore your options” in that it’s unlikely another club will offer us anything of material value to convince us to do a trade, but it will hopefully put an all mighty rocket up him in the hope he can finally changes his ways and fully commits to a professional lifestyle. He has so much god given talent and is what we lack so badly so I pray to high heaven he can sort those vices out. Love that GW, Vossy and co are no longer being held hostage to shit and or selfish behavior.

I think he's gone regardless of talent. If its true that it was the players who didn't want him in the team, he's gone.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

Re E. Hollands I wonder their is a bit of strategy in this call to “explore your options” in that it’s unlikely another club will offer us anything of material value to convince us to do a trade, but it will hopefully put an all mighty rocket up him in the hope he can finally changes his ways and fully commits to a professional lifestyle. He has so much god given talent and is what we lack so badly so I pray to high heaven he can sort those vices out. Love that GW, Vossy and co are no longer being held hostage to shit and or selfish behavior.

That's what my psychiatrist always tells me, I need a rocket up my ass and that'll fix me!

 

[sweethoney]

Cheers, saw it pop up on Fox c/- Tom Morris report.
Interesting. There was supposedly to be an exodus due to their poor injury management but they ditched their HP man (though there is still time for this to unfold).

Not sure if his still there or not but Essendons former HP man is at Brisbane. One of the reasons Daniher went there as he had gotten his body right when at Essendon

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Was told the below last night from a recent ex-player... Only passing on what I was told:

1) GW's summary is that the club culture is toxic and needs repairing. Has made it known to the players that none of them are bigger than the club.

2) Players given a 'shape up or ship out' ultimatum, with a focus on team-first mentality

3) Saints front runners for JSOS

4) Voss gave Charlie a baking a few times during the season, more-so about his poor off-field attitude. Tipping point was Charlie riding his bike into the North game when he had a minor injury complaint earlier in that week.

5) Behind the scenes, we're open to trading Curnow. Our public position is just the usual fun and games. Will only trade him for well overs. Sydney the front runners.

6) Cripps likely to stand down as Captain. The role has exhausted him mentally, hence his absence in media roles this year.

1. Toxic seems extreme.
2. Good.
3. Would probably be overs on the $, hopefully enough to improve compo.
4. This would not surprise me.
5. See (4)
6. If (1) is true, probably for the best we have a new start.

Seriously, if the outcome is that we lose some talent, but are left with people who care, sign me up.