Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[Blue_Fusion]

Where on earth is the Merrett talk coming from I can't keep up !!

Media running with him being disgruntled.

Someone on here mentioned we should go after him.

Not gonna happen.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

The last "Feel Good Hit of the Summer"

 

[Aphrodite]

What to make of this rumour!

Charlie wanting out? Our Red Wedding?
Jack leaving Carlton? The wall has fallen?
Our injury list? More corpses than the White Walker army?

 

[Dominator_7]

A true die hard long time Carlton support all hate St Kilda. The hate is real back from the 80's when our players went to St Kilda to retire.

St Kilda have this facination with all things Carlton since then.

Look at how many Carlton people they have had over the years.

I would go as far as saying the hate for St Kilda is different to the Collingwood and Essendon ones. At least Collingwood and Essendon we respect for being rivals. With St Kilda it is deeper than that.

Agree to an extent.
While nothing can rival the hatred I feel for the Filth or the Scum, the hate for the Aints is more because I have absolutely zero respect for that crap stain club.
Summed up by that drunken ‘Knock knock’ gronk in their cheer squad who screams like a banshee.

 

[Coops93]

I have no issue with the club letting EH go...there comes a point where continuing to support someone is actually not in their best interests and just perpetuates the status quo.

If the club isn't seeing any change in him, time to part ways.

We moved on from Fev because of off field issues, and he was 150x the player Lij is, we'll manage. It's a shame as he does have attributes that we need, but ultimately, he's not worth the hassle.

He doesn't deserve any sympathy; he was suspended for off-field substance problems even before arriving to the club. Before he'd played a game there was already talk from coaches/leaders that he had to re-earn the trust of the group. He's leaving the club the exact same way he arrived at the club and no one is to blame but him.

The Suns trading a top 7 pick 2 years later for a bag of peanuts should've been a huge red flag. They couldn't have given him away any cheaper

 

[The Bighouse]

He was but so was everyone early doors. That changed for many the more they played under him. Charlie lined up for just 7 of the 50 games Teague coached.

He was still at the end, IIRC. Played the last game and they embraced along with words of support from CC.

Teague was big on CC being the FF out of the goal square.
Laidback nature & surfing prob helped to gel.

 

[The Bighouse]

Media running with him being disgruntled.

Someone on here mentioned we should go after him.

Not gonna happen.

Tis the season of disgruntlement..

 

[Blue_Fusion]

We moved on from Fev because of off field issues, and he was 150x the player Lij is, we'll manage. It's a shame as he does have attributes that we need, but ultimately, he's not worth the hassle.

He doesn't deserve any sympathy; he was suspended for off-field substance problems even before arriving to the club. Before he'd played a game there was already talk from coaches/leaders that he had to re-earn the trust of the group. He's leaving the club the exact same way he arrived at the club and no one is to blame but him.

The Suns trading a top 7 pick 2 years later for a bag of peanuts should've been a huge red flag. They couldn't have given him away any cheaper

Everything you said is true.

But from the club's perspective, they probably (and rightly) felt that having his brother at the club would help provide stability and be a good environment for him... talent is undeniable so it was worth the risk.

But as you alluded to, he just has himself to blame. That talent means nothing if he can't get himself right to play and doesn't have the support/trust of his team mates. He is causing more harm than good which is why we want to get rid of him.

 

[Sector 7G]

Tis the season of disgruntlement..

CC exit interview was Festivas come early with the "airing of the grievances"

 

[Wickzki]

He was still at the end, IIRC. Played the last game and they embraced along with words of support from CC.

Teague was big on CC being the FF out of the goal square.
Laidback nature & surfing prob helped to gel.

I get that but Charlie never got out of the Teague honeymoon phase because he missed so much footy is the point

 

[Rosscoe 17]

Threaten his career? There's one person who has threatened Elijah's career and it's not the coach. I don't understand the thinking. It's the nature of the industry. Careers are created and ended on an annual basis. It's mandated by the league to make minimum changes to your list. At least Elijah is still contracted.
If you want to feel empathy, feel it for an Alex Cincotta who gave everything possible to make an AFL career. Left no stone unturned. Or a Harry Lemmey who moved interstate as an 18 year old and has had his dream taken away.
Not a recidivist ratbag who has had more than his share of opportunities and continues to piss them up against the wall.

Thought the Cincotta exit a bit stiff.

 

[SolGoodman]

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Have to remember that he plays for the Weagles too, so likely the type to be even better in a better team.

 

[GT619]

22 year old, former first rounder from the Eagles who played the last month. Good ball user but been plagued by injuries (right up our alley) to hold him to just 36 games.

delisted ufa

 

[GT619]

If we get Merrett, you can vomit in my mouth!!

Would take in a heartbeat..

best mates with cripps

 

[wirra44]

Chesser would be a great acquisition. Really quick and good ball user. Reminds me of Finn Callaghan.

This is the same Campbell Chesser that plays for us right??

Gotta love bigfooty.

 

[Andonis1997]

Chesser is kind of a younger Acres, big bodied outside mid. His kicking looks prettier, but am less convinced on it efficacy.

His disposal efficiency over the 4 games was 65%, 46%, 68%, 47%...

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Tim Watson said on SEN this morning when discussing the Charlie situation that he was hearing that Charlie’s relationship wasn’t great with Vossy and the club has had enough of Charlie’s attitude and dealing with him.

He also mentioned he was hearing that Jed Walter wasn’t entirely happy with how he was being played up at the suns, so he could be an option if a trade is done with the suns.

 

[The Blueseum]

Very sneaky double-talk by Curnow management saying he is prepared to take a pay cut.

That might technically be true.

If he is coming off a front loaded contract he might be taking a pay cut from those years but will be getting a big pay rise if moving clubs.

Media of course will not mention this little fact.

Always follow the money, everything else is a smokescreen.

 

[Les Grossman playaaaa]

If only there was an opportunity to talk with Charlie himself, you know, somewhere we could sit down with him to find out exactly what's going on................

I know, how about this opportunity that's presented itself.................

If anyone's interested in going, or maybe organising a table or 2, to just maybe ask him the question, link to event below...

https://www.propertycouncil.com.au/event/annual-footy-lunch?utm_source=VIC+EDM&utm_medium=Header&utm_campaign=VIC+-+Footy+Lunch+-+Launch&_cldee=Wv8J9zR_Oomy56HjZ8PSA2wLFr29HZXju-W6czi5cZAK16tjICDEBfG6vmAwJo8-a2K40NCv-awjYN--PLDL6w&recipientid=contact-97dd6f807a60ec118f8f00224812277d-97430a8a2b5f4cf99c0cb343652ecb36&utm_source=ClickDimensions&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VIC%20-%20Event%20-%20Footy%20Lunch&esid=88c0940a-9784-f011-b4cc-000d3a6a7bbe

 

[Matty411]

Tim Watson said on SEN this morning when discussing the Charlie situation that he was hearing that Charlie’s relationship wasn’t great with Vossy and the club has had enough of Charlie’s attitude and dealing with him.

He also mentioned he was hearing that Jed Walter wasn’t entirely happy with how he was being played up at the suns, so he could be an option if a trade is done with the suns.

That's what you want to hear. Now, I think Gulden / Butters are targets 1 & 2 in any Charlie outcome.

But I think I've said - Flanders, Walter and a future pick could be the best outcome all up. Has a little of everything.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

That's what you want to hear. Now, I think Gulden / Butters are targets 1 & 2 in any Charlie outcome.

But I think I've said - Flanders, Walter and a future pick could be the best outcome all up. Has a little of everything.

Agreed, Butters and Gulden would be the dream result if we trade Charlie. If we do a deal with the suns then I want Walter to be the centrepiece of the trade.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I'm sure Ollie knows what a ego/self centred brother he has got.

Well... Ollie did move out of the place they were sharing...

 

[DangerousD]

delisted ufa

Not a FA, has an offer on the table from WC

 

[gbatman]

I’ve been told the playing group has effectively split into two camps.


1. The Monogram / Voss Supporters
These are the players who back the club if not Michael Voss specifically and don’t want to go through yet another coaching merry-go-round. Based on the public comments we’ve heard this year, it’s not hard to work out which players are in this group, even if they’ve been linked to moves elsewhere.


2. The anti-Voss camp.
These are the players who wanted the blame for the club’s struggles placed squarely on Voss. They’ve shown a lack of professionalism and accountability, and just as we’ve identified members of the first group, it’s becoming clear who belongs here as well.

Of course, some players sit in the middle. Some are too young or inexperienced to have much influence, while others are at a stage of their careers where it simply doesn’t matter as much. For instance, it’s pretty clear where Weitering and Walsh stand right now—though with Walsh, you get the sense that if things don’t improve next year, he already has an exit strategy in mind. Cripps, meanwhile, may be thinking more about life after football. His legacy as one of Carlton’s greats is secure, premiership or not, and he knows better than anyone that success at that level is beyond his individual control now.

It's probably fair enough, things have gone bad at Carlton and we all know that. Players have backed the club in to deliver success and that has failed so I can get where they are coming from.

I too blame the coaching group for where we are at as well and that's pretty obvious. Other teams have appeared to embrace pace and kicking skills when it comes to constructing their team, team selection, recruitement and game plan and we definitely have not which can only be put down to the coaching group asking the wrong things of the list manager/recruiters and butchering the game tactics. Our coaching group have misread the game horribly, which is something I have not shut up about for the last 3 years, and this has us in a pretty poor position. If I was a player I would be definitely in group 2, I would probably want to be out of there as well.

The club actually has to prove itself from here on in to those players who have become disolusioned with the coaching group and club as a whole and so it should. Players in the second half of their careers are not going to want to be a part of a cellar dwellar failing and rebuilding, they are going to want to play to win a grand final. If it's apparent that Carlton can't offer that then fair enough.

In regards to those players in group 2. The club needs to get them onboard again. That means the game plan needs to catch up with modern times, the team structure, the type of players in the team and the recruitement need to get on board in a very big hurry. They should have been on board 3 years ago but they haven't. It's time now to move on from that, prove they are and prove that success at Carlton is going to happen pretty bloody soon.

The current coach and his group need to prove that they have changed, adapted with the times and are moving forward with a new game plan and will be focused on the right players.

 

[Benga]

Jacob Blights name has come up as a potential target.