List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[Blue_Fusion]

That's an opinion alright. Reads fairly definitive. Butters is a free agent next year. What will the compo be?

It would be nice if posters weren't so rude and dismissive when reading posts they don't agree with. Silly season hasn't started yet, but it's going to be a long one if people don't start exercising some diplomacy.

What was dismissive? Forgive me for saying that luring one of the comp's best players is a fantasy... but it is...

And what was "so rude"??

As for compo, do you see a situation where Port aren't going to match? Butters is their marquee player in the middle of his prime. Whoever wants him will be coughing up. There's no way they're letting him walk for band 1 compo, it would be like us not matching for peak Cripps...

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Need to let go of this fantasy of getting Butters as well...

He will take a godfather contract to lure over... $2M+ for like 9 years... So that free space from losing Charlie is immediately overfilled.

You don't chase one of the biggest fish in the game when you're not a finals side. Face it, we are years away from contending, the current crop took us as far as they could in 23 and now with decline setting in to most of them, we are not rising back up any time soon.

Also, no way Port Adelaide are taking pick #11 + Swans F1 + Moir for Butters. Pick 11 in a shit draft and with Charlie at the Swans the F1 could be 10+ as well. Moir just signed on this year too, the ramifications of putting a player who is happy with the club up for trade could be detrimental.

As for the Swans, they are going to have to pony up. The two most realistic outcomes imo are:

1. Trade Warner to WCE for either pick #2 or their F1
2. Trade pick #11 + McDonald for WCE pick #2

Pick #2 or WCE F1 + Swans F1 for Charlie would be a pretty good result for us. In fact, two F1 picks in addition to our own for next year's draft would be amazing.

Said it the other day, id rather bring in Flanders than Butters. He'll take a NWM $2 mill+ offer to move.

 

[bradfisher14]

Don't think so - pretty sure the rule is "once a DFA always a DFA when out of contract".

I see. That’s great for us then.

 

[Carltonfc9]

Said it the other day, id rather bring in Flanders than Butters. He'll take a NWM $2 mill+ offer to move.

And our list will never get better if we keep getting B grade talent like Flanders, butters will not take 2 million he wants to get home to Victoria for family reasons and I think will go to which ever club can seriously make it happen

 

[Markyd]

Charlie needs to speak with his brother to gain some perspective. Ed fought hard for his career, because he knew his position in the team was never guaranteed. Charlie is blessed with natural ability and athleticism that Ed never had.

Charlie can be the barometer for us I remember the game away against GC where he single handedly got us over the line. Where has that Charlie gone?no wonder he’s coped some criticism and coach wants more, so do we. He is a leader of this team at the first sign things get a bit tough he’s wanting out put your big boy pants on and show some resilience. Wouldn’t be a person on here that hasn’t dealt with some adversity in their lives at some point.

If that’s not possible we move on because I’m not interested in watching a player not fully invested in making team better. Carlton supporters want success and we are sick of waiting for it.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

What was dismissive? Forgive me for saying that luring one of the comp's best players is a fantasy... but it is...

If only there was sone sort of recent history example where one of the game's best players changes clubs...

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Said it the other day, id rather bring in Flanders than Butters. He'll take a NWM $2 mill+ offer to move.

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't really rate Flanders that highly. No doubt he'd be in our starting line up, but for mine he's a good ordinary player.

If we got him well that's ok, but I wouldn't be overpaying for him.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If only there was sone sort of recent history example where one of the game's best players changes clubs...

Oh, I can see him changing clubs... I can't see a situation where he'd want to come to us though... if we were flag contenders it would be a different story...

Even playing devil's advocate, let's say he nominates a trade to us, that would mean GW goes against his statements and we offer him a colossal contract... and Port gets a king's ransom. Not gonna happen.

 

[The Bighouse]

And our list will never get better if we keep getting B grade talent like Flanders, butters will not take 2 million he wants to get home to Victoria for family reasons and I think will go to which ever club can seriously make it happen

Port have the cash to make a hefty contract to ZB to remain (offer to NWM was stacked), and that will make Zac think about his move with financials considered, with clubs having to dip into their pockets to make it more inviting. HFC, ESS will have plenty of coin to make it attractive and then get to work on the trade deal with PTA certainly matching.

 

[Carltonfc9]

Port have the cash to make a hefty contract to ZB to remain (offer to NWM was stacked), and that will make Zac think about his move with financials considered, with clubs having to dip into their pockets to make it more inviting. HFC, ESS will have plenty of coin to make it attractive and then get to work on the trade deal with PTA certainly matching.

Hawks going hard for petraca by all reports. It's out of the dogs and geelong butters is keen on apprently, if we land hinkly and with Davis coming across and our cap space and potentially having 2 first rounders with out trading curnow i don't see why he wouldn't be keen to come across a year earlier if we can make it happen

 

[The Bighouse]

Hawks going hard for petraca by all reports. It's out of the dogs and geelong butters is keen on apprently, if we land hinkly and with Davis coming across and our cap space and potentially having 2 first rounders with out trading curnow i don't see why he wouldn't be keen to come across a year earlier if we can make it happen

Hawks also have plenty up their sleeve.
Dare say, we could call it a war chest…!

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

And our list will never get better if we keep getting B grade talent like Flanders, butters will not take 2 million he wants to get home to Victoria for family reasons and I think will go to which ever club can seriously make it happen

A pretty average Ruck just got $1.8 mil. His new teammate just got $2 mil. Even bang average AFL player JSOS is getting way overpaid. These things change the dynamic of what players get paid.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

What was dismissive? Forgive me for saying that luring one of the comp's best players is a fantasy... but it is...

And what was "so rude"??

As for compo, do you see a situation where Port aren't going to match? Butters is their marquee player in the middle of his prime. Whoever wants him will be coughing up. There's no way they're letting him walk for band 1 compo, it would be like us not matching for peak Cripps...

The rude part was a general comment about posters being dismissive towards other opinions at this time of year. I had replied to another poster just before I quoted you.

It was dismissive though. You're telling people to let go of something you consider a fantasy, thus trying to shut down the conversation. Simply saying you don't think it will happen for a, b and c reasons keeps the discussion going.

My thoughts on Butters is that he has already expressed a desire to leave to return home. We don't know what his monetary demands will be. Do Port make it hard for him to try again if he wants to, by forcing him to his last year and free agency? Hard to know. He will be uncontracted. They can match whatever amount but he still doesn't have to stay. Our trade offer this year would be similar to any forced trade next year. Port don't care about how much money he is being offered, if they are resigned to losing him anyway.

Clubs don't try to forced uncontracted players to stay.

As for the prospect of us luring him, it could happen. Other teams can lure players, and we at least have people in place that he knows i.e Voss and Davies. My hypothetical was also dependent on Hinkley joining, which is apparently a big carrot for Butters.

Certainly worth a discussion, and not really a work of fantasy, which implies football naivety.

 

[Carltonfc9]

Hawks also have plenty up their sleeve.
Dare say, we could call it a war chest…!

I dunno they have alot of good young players that clubs are going to start coming for will have to start putting aside some for that

 

[Carltonfc9]

A pretty average Ruck just got $1.8 mil. His new teammate just got $2 mil. Even bang average AFL player JSOS is getting way overpaid. These things change the dynamic of what players get paid.

And that's all from one club that is extremely mediocre that has nothing to offer players besides money, this is not the normal

 

[The Bighouse]

I dunno they have alot of good young players that clubs are going to start coming for will have to start putting aside some for that

They do but paying unders.
It’ll be up to clubs to raid them because of this.
Until then, it’s the cheque book open for trade business.

 

[The Bighouse]

And that's all from one club that is extremely mediocre that has nothing to offer players besides money, this is not the normal

Players will see this and equate to their own circumstances.
It won’t add up and the managers will be on the phone. Nice little cut for them too.

The S/C needlessly went up too much.

 

[Carltonfc9]

Players will see this and equate to their own circumstances.
It won’t add up and the managers will be on the phone. Nice little cut for them too.

The S/C needlessly went up too much.

You either want to win a flag or get paid 2 million dollars i don't think with what the salary cap is at the moment you can do both

 

[The Bighouse]

You either want to win a flag or get paid 2 million dollars i don't think with what the salary cap is at the moment you can do both

The market then becomes set.
See if you can claw me closer to $1.5M will be the effect.

The (newly) highest paid are all on potential, though Nas actually delivered throughout this season.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Apparently we are looking. Pace injection is my guess.

Needs a footballing injection

 

[Carltonfc9]

Is anyone actually excited to who we are linked to?

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Is anyone actually excited to who we are linked to?

Yep, always interested in who'll potentially be pulling on the navy blue...you only tend to get excited if it a big name.

Unfortunately for us this year, the outgoings have totally taken over the narrative.

So the latest according to the media is:

Campbell Chesser
Buku Khamis
Ned Reeves
Liam Reidy
Malcolm Rosas
Sam Flanders
Jack Petruccelli (DFA)

Am I missing anyone?

 

[Benaly28]

Would a hypothetical trade like this work.

Charlie to suns for:

Walter/Flanders and their first round pick?

 

[King Cripps]

Would a hypothetical trade like this work.

Charlie to suns for:

Walter/Flanders and their first round pick?

I was thinking the same that Jed Walter would have to be part of the trade as I think he will be a star

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Yeh I agree with a lot of this. Out of that list above I'd be prioritising Motlop, Young, Charleson and Evans. The others would be based on list spots. However, McGovern leaving does leave a bit of a need for 1-2 tall defenders to come in. Especially, with Jack out and HOF with the ACL.

I assume us stopping his clause trigger also gives us the option to re-contract him at a more reasonable rate if we decide we need him as depth.