List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Does that leave Jesse Motlop unsigned?

I'm glad we got Kemp signed up again. His value is low but his ceiling is high.

 

[carlton_99]

Does that leave Jesse Motlop unsigned?

I'm glad we got Kemp signed up again. His value is low but his ceiling is high.

Would leave Motlop, F.Young, Evans, Charleson, McGovern, Monahan and White unsigned.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I have always thought we had to lose one of our top 5 to free up cap space and freshen the list. Our last two seasons of relying on natural improvement from within, while other teams spent to get better, have really highlighted this.

Losing TDK does nothing to alleviate the issue as he wasn't on the big bucks previously.

When I looked at the big 5, one aging midfielder and captain, one young gun midfielder who lacks polish at times, one dominant big defender who needs a reliable Michael Sexton type partner to cover for his lack of pace, one big marking forward whose mental demons can affect him on field and off, and one x factor tall forward with a big tank, who doesn't use it ... it was always going to come down to who had the most currency, coupled with how we could cover their loss, and whose attitude hurt us more. As much as people love Charlie, this has been borne out with his desire to leave and his apparent issues with Voss.

Voss has issues, and he may not last more than another year. However, the other guys are firm in their commitment and prepared to be professional, and at least 2 of them clearly back the coach.

Forget Charlie's insistence he will be at Carlton. Forget Voss' insistence that Charlie will be at Carlton. Any inkling of buckling to demands will devalue Curnow's worth. Curnow's manager is pushing this clearly.

Let's not go crazy about him being contacted and needing a godfather offer either. We are not getting Gulden, Blakey, Warner or Heeney. They don't want to come to us, end of story. 3 are tied to the region and 1 is going to WA eventually.

Curnow is not Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

. He is slightly damaged goods at the moment. 2 first rounders would get the job done.

Swans currently have Pick 10. We should take that and their first next year. Hell, throw in Braeden Campbell who I rate (if he wants to come ... these guys have the right to say yes or no).

We will then have Picks 9 and 10. The Silvagni compo is getting towards tier 1, but likely will end up end of first round. That pick will pay for Harry Dean.

If we take on Ken Hinkley as a senior version of whatever it was Aaron Greaves was doing, then offer 10 and Sydney's future first for Butters, would Port consider it with Butters coming into free agency? Would we have to take more pain and consider giving up a South Australian like Ashton Moir on top of that deal?

Curnow and Moir for Butters and Campbell in the net result, and it would have to be done as a 3 team trade so we didn't get stiffed on the second deal.

People won't like it as it is Charlie, but he is rising 29, while Butters is about to turn 25.

Side note: I've seen supporters complaining about losing TDK and Silvagni and looking to pick up Chesser and Petrucelle. Not necessarily on here, but on media posts on facebook and the like. Those latter players would be replacing Cincotta and Fantasia, not the free agents. We shouldn't need to make that clear, but for some we apparently do.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Would leave Motlop, F.Young, Evans, Charleson, McGovern, Monahan and White unsigned.

Fair. The media have been reporting on Kemp, Haynes and Motlop. I guess they are looking at players with value, although Haynes is probably not getting chased by anybody else at his age. I'm glad Jesse has been made to wait. He hasn't elevated himself above some of the others waiting. I'd offer him a year only, unless we can get a second rounder for him.

 

[Stamos]

Losing TDK does nothing to alleviate the issue as he wasn't on the big bucks previously.

He was on decent money because there were big offers 2 years ago, plus we had earmarked 1-1.1, so it is a big saving.
With him and Jack already gone, Gov missing his trigger, Zac's contract up in a year, we cannot be tight in terms of cap.

 

[bradfisher14]

I hope Chris Davies is appointed soon and we can use his IP for the upcoming trade/draft period.

 

[ctwenty1]

I have always thought we had to lose one of our top 5 to free up cap space and freshen the list. Our last two seasons of relying on natural improvement from within, while other teams spent to get better, have really highlighted this.

Losing TDK does nothing to alleviate the issue as he wasn't on the big bucks previously.

When I looked at the big 5, one aging midfielder and captain, one young gun midfielder who lacks polish at times, one dominant big defender who needs a reliable Michael Sexton type partner to cover for his lack of pace, one big marking forward whose mental demons can affect him on field and off, and one x factor tall forward with a big tank, who doesn't use it ... it was always going to come down to who had the most currency, coupled with how we could cover their loss, and whose attitude hurt us more. As much as people love Charlie, this has been borne out with his desire to leave and his apparent issues with Voss.

Voss has issues, and he may not last more than another year. However, the other guys are firm in their commitment and prepared to be professional, and at least 2 of them clearly back the coach.

Forget Charlie's insistence he will be at Carlton. Forget Voss' insistence that Charlie will be at Carlton. Any inkling of buckling to demands will devalue Curnow's worth. Curnow's manager is pushing this clearly.

Let's not go crazy about him being contacted and needing a godfather offer either. We are not getting Gulden, Blakey, Warner or Heeney. They don't want to come to us, end of story. 3 are tied to the region and 1 is going to WA eventually.

Curnow is not Jeremy Cameron. He is slightly damaged goods at the moment. 2 first rounders would get the job done.

Swans currently have Pick 10. We should take that and their first next year. Hell, throw in Braeden Campbell who I rate (if he wants to come ... these guys have the right to say yes or no).

We will then have Picks 9 and 10. The Silvagni compo is getting towards tier 1, but likely will end up end of first round. That pick will pay for Harry Dean.

If we take on Ken Hinkley as a senior version of whatever it was Aaron Greaves was doing, then offer 10 and Sydney's future first for Butters, would Port consider it with Butters coming into free agency? Would we have to take more pain and consider giving up a South Australian like Ashton Moir on top of that deal?

Curnow and Moir for Butters and Campbell in the net result, and it would have to be done as a 3 team trade so we didn't get stiffed on the second deal.

People won't like it as it is Charlie, but he is rising 29, while Butters is about to turn 25.

Side note: I've seen supporters complaining about losing TDK and Silvagni and looking to pick up Chesser and Petrucelle. Not necessarily on here, but on media posts on facebook and the like. Those latter players would be replacing Cincotta and Fantasia, not the free agents. We shouldn't need to make that clear, but for some we apparently do.

If we are going to throw Moir in, then something needs to come back

I cant help but feel we would be majorly regretting letting Moir go

Would rather move Cerra on tbh

 

[carlton_99]

Fair. The media have been reporting on Kemp, Haynes and Motlop. I guess they are looking at players with value, although Haynes is probably not getting chased by anybody else at his age. I'm glad Jesse has been made to wait. He hasn't elevated himself above some of the others waiting. I'd offer him a year only, unless we can get a second rounder for him.

I'd personally be re-signing him. Not too fussed if it's one or two years. He's only 21 and I think he brings more than the Fogarty/Durdin types right now. Showed some good signs up the ground and his defensive pressure was much better in 25'. I understand some have given up on him but I'd be backing him in to continue to improve next season.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

He was on decent money because there were big offers 2 years ago, plus we had earmarked 1-1.1, so it is a big saving.
With him and Jack already gone, Gov missing his trigger, Zac's contract up in a year, we cannot be tight in terms of cap.

He wouldn't have been on anything like what the big 5 are on though. With the average salary being 500k now, losing guys on 700k and replacing them with younger players on 350-400k is where the cap gets freed up. It doesn't necessarily free up space to pick up other highly paid players though. Remember, we will have other players rise and put their hand up for that extra cap space.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If we are going to throw Moir in, then something needs to come back

I cant help but feel we would be majorly regretting letting Moir go

Would rather move Cerra on tbh

I get it and agree. I'm just looking at something that would make sense for each team selling this to their base.

Sydney could sell two first rounders and a Campbell type for Curnow easily despite his recent form.

Carlton could sell Curnow and Moir for Butters and Campbell with later pick wrangling in a pinch. The midfield would look exciting.

Can Port sell getting two first rounders at Pick 10 or later to their base for losing Butters? I think they'd want something for the now, thus an exciting young talent who has only given glimpses so far.

We could all end up happy and unhappy which is the best indicator of a good trade.

 

[Stamos]

He wouldn't have been on anything like what the big 5 are on though. With the average salary being 500k now, losing guys on 700k and replacing them with younger players on 350-400k is where the cap gets freed up. It doesn't necessarily free up space to pick up other highly paid players though. Remember, we will have other players rise and put their hand up for that extra cap space.

Sure, but we offered him a lot more than 700.
1-1.1 is what we are now saving.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'd personally be re-signing him. Not too fussed if it's one or two years. He's only 21 and I think he brings more than the Fogarty/Durdin types right now. Showed some good signs up the ground and his defensive pressure was much better in 25'. I understand some have given up on him but I'd be backing him in to continue to improve next season.

I'd re-sign him too, but I'm not fussed if we opted to trade. My biggest issue is his lack of genuine pace which I feel a small forward needs. He has talent but needs things to go right to be in the right place at the right time. Will White has pace but can't find the ball. Durdin the same as White. So many good bits in several small forwards, but we need to play 5 of them to end up with a total of two great small forwards, but then we are down a couple of players overall.

 

[Big Delut]

Sure, but we offered him a lot more than 700.
1-1.1 is what we are now saving.

The saving will be the gap between whatever we've allocated for TDK and whatever his replacement gets. If it's Ned Reeves you'd think he'd get around 500-600k given the Hawks are trying to hold onto him.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Sure, but we offered him a lot more than 700.
1-1.1 is what we are now saving.

You can't save what you never spent. We are saving what he was on. We don't know how we were intending to shape the list to pay TDK. Perhaps we were going to not re-sign someone we are now re-signing? Perhaps somebody was going to take a salary shave for an extra year. That money set aside can't count against what we might have done, as now we have to replace TDK as well. If we found 400k extra to pay him next year, we might now be paying that to Ned Reeves or Liam Reidy to replace him, instead of a rookie ruck.

 

[SurreyBlue]

i think the 2025 All Australian team and other various media lists, such as below, would surely motivate some of our players!!

The 25, September edition: AFL's best players, ranked by our experts

Welcome back to The 25, where AFL.com.au's team of experts rank the best players in the game

www.afl.com.au

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

i've been ready to trade curnow for a few seasons now, for the following reasons:
second efforts - when he doesn't win the contest he stops
willingness to work - when he doesn't get his way he wrestles rather than trying to out work his defender
instinctive rather than structured play - when he pings from 60m come off they are highlights but how often does he take that shot with a man running free into the 50?

look back to the final game aginst collingwood in 2022. we were all over them but our lack of poise, with charlie missing very simple shots and passes through rushing, rather than taking the time to asses the situation, running down the clock for our lead and playing smarter. we lost by a point and missed finals - not only CC's fault but he had massive moments in that match and failed to captialise repeatedly.

he is what he is, an incredible 1-on-1 player, goal kicker and freak talent. he's also 29, flaky and has terrible games regularly. i'd rather have a player who plays the same systems as his team mates and provides a known, repeatable game, even if his peaks aren't as spectactular.

Gruzewski.

 

[carlton_99]

I'd re-sign him too, but I'm not fussed if we opted to trade. My biggest issue is his lack of genuine pace which I feel a small forward needs. He has talent but needs things to go right to be in the right place at the right time. Will White has pace but can't find the ball. Durdin the same as White. So many good bits in several small forwards, but we need to play 5 of them to end up with a total of two great small forwards, but then we are down a couple of players overall.

Yeh I agree with a lot of this. Out of that list above I'd be prioritising Motlop, Young, Charleson and Evans. The others would be based on list spots. However, McGovern leaving does leave a bit of a need for 1-2 tall defenders to come in. Especially, with Jack out and HOF with the ACL.

 

[Stamos]

You can't save what you never spent. We are saving what he was on. We don't know how we were intending to shape the list to pay TDK. Perhaps we were going to not re-sign someone we are now re-signing? Perhaps somebody was going to take a salary shave for an extra year. That money set aside can't count against what we might have done, as now we have to replace TDK as well. If we found 400k extra to pay him next year, we might now be paying that to Ned Reeves or Liam Reidy to replace him, instead of a rookie ruck.

Sure, but we don't need to lost Charlie for the salary saving.
We're not under salary cap pressure.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yeh I agree with a lot of this. Out of that list above I'd be prioritising Motlop, Young, Charleson and Evans. The others would be based on list spots. However, McGovern leaving does leave a bit of a need for 1-2 tall defenders to come in. Especially, with Jack out and HOF with the ACL.

Jordan Butts perhaps? Contracted for next year but behind Murray and Keane. Plus he has the club connection.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Sure, but we don't need to lost Charlie for the salary saving.
We're not under salary cap pressure.

We do if we are looking to strengthen other areas. I'd gladly lose Charlie to pay for Butters as I feel it is a greater need.

 

[carlton_99]

Jordan Butts perhaps? Contracted for next year but behind Murray and Keane. Plus he has the club connection.

Would like someone like that. Just haven't heard us or any club linked to him at this point.

 

[GoBlues!]

Sure, but we don't need to lost Charlie for the salary saving.
We're not under salary cap pressure.

Agree, in fact I think keeping Charlie helps our salary cap. If we’ve got Charlie on a front loaded contract and the remaining 4 years of his contract are at a reduced rate say $500k to $600k then we would be stupid to let him go - salary cap wise and trying to replace him with a goal kicking KPF at that rate.

Agree with James Hird and Bartel, Carlton need to keep Curnow.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I have always thought we had to lose one of our top 5 to free up cap space and freshen the list. Our last two seasons of relying on natural improvement from within, while other teams spent to get better, have really highlighted this.

Losing TDK does nothing to alleviate the issue as he wasn't on the big bucks previously.

When I looked at the big 5, one aging midfielder and captain, one young gun midfielder who lacks polish at times, one dominant big defender who needs a reliable Michael Sexton type partner to cover for his lack of pace, one big marking forward whose mental demons can affect him on field and off, and one x factor tall forward with a big tank, who doesn't use it ... it was always going to come down to who had the most currency, coupled with how we could cover their loss, and whose attitude hurt us more. As much as people love Charlie, this has been borne out with his desire to leave and his apparent issues with Voss.

Voss has issues, and he may not last more than another year. However, the other guys are firm in their commitment and prepared to be professional, and at least 2 of them clearly back the coach.

Forget Charlie's insistence he will be at Carlton. Forget Voss' insistence that Charlie will be at Carlton. Any inkling of buckling to demands will devalue Curnow's worth. Curnow's manager is pushing this clearly.

Let's not go crazy about him being contacted and needing a godfather offer either. We are not getting Gulden, Blakey, Warner or Heeney. They don't want to come to us, end of story. 3 are tied to the region and 1 is going to WA eventually.

Curnow is not Jeremy Cameron. He is slightly damaged goods at the moment. 2 first rounders would get the job done.

Swans currently have Pick 10. We should take that and their first next year. Hell, throw in Braeden Campbell who I rate (if he wants to come ... these guys have the right to say yes or no).

We will then have Picks 9 and 10. The Silvagni compo is getting towards tier 1, but likely will end up end of first round. That pick will pay for Harry Dean.

If we take on Ken Hinkley as a senior version of whatever it was Aaron Greaves was doing, then offer 10 and Sydney's future first for Butters, would Port consider it with Butters coming into free agency? Would we have to take more pain and consider giving up a South Australian like Ashton Moir on top of that deal?

Curnow and Moir for Butters and Campbell in the net result, and it would have to be done as a 3 team trade so we didn't get stiffed on the second deal.

People won't like it as it is Charlie, but he is rising 29, while Butters is about to turn 25.

Side note: I've seen supporters complaining about losing TDK and Silvagni and looking to pick up Chesser and Petrucelle. Not necessarily on here, but on media posts on facebook and the like. Those latter players would be replacing Cincotta and Fantasia, not the free agents. We shouldn't need to make that clear, but for some we apparently do.

You were going so well until you suggested a trade for a new messiah for a now gutted side. We are not getting our premiership window back, so forget about it. This club and its supporters are so frustrating!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Just landed in Kazakhstan and see that we're from runners for Campbell Chesser? What a beautiful day indeed!

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I have always thought we had to lose one of our top 5 to free up cap space and freshen the list. Our last two seasons of relying on natural improvement from within, while other teams spent to get better, have really highlighted this.

Losing TDK does nothing to alleviate the issue as he wasn't on the big bucks previously.

When I looked at the big 5, one aging midfielder and captain, one young gun midfielder who lacks polish at times, one dominant big defender who needs a reliable Michael Sexton type partner to cover for his lack of pace, one big marking forward whose mental demons can affect him on field and off, and one x factor tall forward with a big tank, who doesn't use it ... it was always going to come down to who had the most currency, coupled with how we could cover their loss, and whose attitude hurt us more. As much as people love Charlie, this has been borne out with his desire to leave and his apparent issues with Voss.

Voss has issues, and he may not last more than another year. However, the other guys are firm in their commitment and prepared to be professional, and at least 2 of them clearly back the coach.

Forget Charlie's insistence he will be at Carlton. Forget Voss' insistence that Charlie will be at Carlton. Any inkling of buckling to demands will devalue Curnow's worth. Curnow's manager is pushing this clearly.

Let's not go crazy about him being contacted and needing a godfather offer either. We are not getting Gulden, Blakey, Warner or Heeney. They don't want to come to us, end of story. 3 are tied to the region and 1 is going to WA eventually.

Curnow is not Jeremy Cameron. He is slightly damaged goods at the moment. 2 first rounders would get the job done.

Swans currently have Pick 10. We should take that and their first next year. Hell, throw in Braeden Campbell who I rate (if he wants to come ... these guys have the right to say yes or no).

We will then have Picks 9 and 10. The Silvagni compo is getting towards tier 1, but likely will end up end of first round. That pick will pay for Harry Dean.

If we take on Ken Hinkley as a senior version of whatever it was Aaron Greaves was doing, then offer 10 and Sydney's future first for Butters, would Port consider it with Butters coming into free agency? Would we have to take more pain and consider giving up a South Australian like Ashton Moir on top of that deal?

Curnow and Moir for Butters and Campbell in the net result, and it would have to be done as a 3 team trade so we didn't get stiffed on the second deal.

People won't like it as it is Charlie, but he is rising 29, while Butters is about to turn 25.

Side note: I've seen supporters complaining about losing TDK and Silvagni and looking to pick up Chesser and Petrucelle. Not necessarily on here, but on media posts on facebook and the like. Those latter players would be replacing Cincotta and Fantasia, not the free agents. We shouldn't need to make that clear, but for some we apparently do.

why would anyone want Petrucelle?