Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[ESKIE]

Is he following us on socials that’s the big clue

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

As for the Gibbs trade, you didn't see Adelaide offering any of their best players for him did you?

Gibbs wasn't that good.....

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Is he following us on socials that’s the big clue

He only follows one account

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Drexel is having late dinners

 

[ESKIE]

He only follows one account
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He’s not even in his profile pic !!

 

[swuzzlebubble]

He’s not even in his profile pic !!

Unrequited love?

 

[Benaly28]

Flanders won’t do anything to move the needle in our midfield,looks average.

 

[JustaBattler]

Carlton first also means - Carlton isnt going to bent over by some used car salesmen player manager or any other Club.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I rate Duursma- the Godard type- at pick 2 and a key piece of the puzzle

Fair - I'm sure there are also going to be people who really like the look of Duff-Tytler. I'm certainly not enough of an expert to claim my assessment trumps yours or others.

For me though, Duursma looks like a solid Pick 8-12 in most drafts. I'm always wary when a player's selling point is their "versatility". To me, that just says that they're not really one thing or another. He doesn't get much of the ball, doesn't hit the scoreboard in a big way.

I think he'll probably be a fine player - by that I mean comfortably AFL-standard, not a bust, but also not elite. I see a lot of risk that he ends up like his brother, or someone like Will Hayward - floating around, doing a few good things here or there, but not really moving the needle a whole lot for whichever club gets him.

So at Pick 2, or even 1 which is where some have him this year, I think it indicates that this is a terrible year to pay up for a top 2 pick. I reckon we get a potentially more bankable, more suitable and propbably more impactful player with something around Pick 8-10 (pending navigating the whole Dean bid situation).

 

[Fettt]

Id like to see us go after Flanders, shores up either the HB or HF for us. Walter+flanders+F1+swap of 1sts this year would be great for curnow

Flanders and Walter alone for Charlie is a fair deal.
This haul you’ve posted is not a great deal, it’s an unbelievable, totally fanciful deal.

And for others who have said that clubs don’t trade their established stars for other established stars……Walter may be a future star but certainly isn’t established, and Flanders is established but is not quite a star.

Fair deal and a solid outcome for us…...Walter and good picks or Walter and Flanders

 

[JJBagger]

Flanders and Walter alone for Charlie is a fair deal.
This haul you’ve posted is not a great deal, it’s an unbelievable, totally fanciful deal.

And for others who have said that clubs don’t trade their established stars for other established stars……Walter may be a future star but certainly isn’t established, and Flanders is established but is not quite a star.

Fair deal and a solid outcome for us…...Walter and good picks or Walter and Flanders

Walter and Flanders is not a good deal. We could get Flanders for an early second rounder, and Walter is completely unproven

 

[Fettt]

Walter and Flanders is not a good deal. We could get Flanders for an early second rounder, and Walter is completely unproven

Fair point. Maybe up it a little.
Some of the expectations of what comes back to us for Charlie have been downright crazy though

 

[Thrawn]

Flanders and Walter alone for Charlie is a fair deal.

I don't-diddly-don't agreeamuno.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Walter and Flanders is not a good deal. We could get Flanders for an early second rounder, and Walter is completely unproven

Also I'd say Flanders doesn't offer much we can't find elsewhere or develp internally.

Walter + Humphrey should be the goal.

Walter is the closest to like-for-like prospect and Humphrey fills a key need.

If the value of that combination is genuinely too high I'd top up from our side to get it done.

 

[LFTWNG11]

Fev loves this club. The players did the wrong thing by him, the footy show handing him the microphone when he was so drunk and setting him up for failure. Instead of looking after him and putting him to bed, they all turned on him.

yes he had a bit of growing up to do but he loves this club. Should have better looked after him.

Charlie wants out. Fev didnt want out.

If Charlie has met with other coaches then he can go. He's not interested.

Fev is an idiot. Imagine blaming everyone around for him being himself, a degenerate.

 

[JK61]

When Cameron went to the cats, he was a year younger(27), had played more games(177) and had kicked more goals(427). The trade was Cameron and two future seconds for three mid to late first rounders. When all was said and done it was the equivalent of pick 6. Yes, he wasn’t contracted, but GWS matched the bid and forced a trade. That’s all I’d say.

I very much doubt that GWS would have traded Cameron if he was under contract.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Fair point. Maybe up it a little.
Some of the expectations of what comes back to us for Charlie have been downright crazy though

Yeah I agree, I get that people want a king's ransom, but like I already said, clubs aren't going to give you one of their key players in return, it just doesn't happen.

Flanders I wouldn't want as part of a Charlie trade.

I actually think the Fev trade is a decent enough baseline.

Hendo + 12, kpp with potential plus a mid first rounder. Walter has more potential + a first rounder in a strong draft.

Charlie is worth a similar value, but we should be able to reach higher come to think of it.

Walter + F1 is something they'd be willing to do. Walter has a higher ceiling that Hendo did and a first round pick in a strong draft is beneficial for 2 reasons, we have it as trade capital next year for a pretty good player, or we take it to a strong draft.

If they upgrade our first this year (TDK compo for pick 7) that's probably as good as we can get for him. And yes I know it hurts their ability to pick up their academy players, but that's just something they'd have to figure out... they can go into deficit if they can't.

So we'll either do that or we won't trade him unless another club comes to the party.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I very much doubt that GWS would have traded Cameron if he was under contract.

Isn't matching a bid equivalent to/essentially contracting them anyway?

GWS match then the player's options are to stay, be traded or enter the draft...

So unless Cameron was threatening to enter the draft, they had the upper hand in trade negotiations. They did the trade because the player wanted to leave... bit similar to our situation with Charlie...

 

[katmanblue]

Motlop explores his options, no one wants him so we offer him 2 years, seriously 2 years!

Are you sure about this, or is it supposition?

I read it as more like we offered him a much reduced contract, on team friendly terms.

He wasn't happy with the terms. Club has told him he's welcome to explore the market.

What he was offered elsewhere wasn't much better than our offer, so he's signed.

If he tested the market before we offered him a contract, it's a bit different.

 

[katmanblue]

But that will cost GCFC one of their Academy picks too, won’t it?
How does that position us with Dean (unless bids are shored up, incl GCFC’s as well)?

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Stamos]

Isn't matching a bid equivalent to/essentially contracting them anyway?

GWS match then the player's options are to stay, be traded or enter the draft...

So unless Cameron was threatening to enter the draft, they had the upper hand in trade negotiations. They did the trade because the player wanted to leave... bit similar to our situation with Charlie...

No.
Matching means you get a better trade than FA compo, but it's still much less than if they were contracted.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

No.
Matching means you get a better trade than FA compo, but it's still much less than if they were contracted.

Ok, think about why you get a better trade...

Because the player has to stay if you can't work something out... or they enter the draft. Cameron was obviously not going to enter the draft, so the Cats had to satisfy the Giants. The Giants let him go for less than what they would like but they did so because they had a player who was checked out. Charlie has also checked out... you don't go meeting opposition coaches if you haven't.

 

[Stamos]

Ok, think about why you get a better trade...

Because the player has to stay if you can't work something out... or they enter the draft. Cameron was obviously not going to enter the draft, so the Cats had to satisfy the Giants. The Giants let him go for less than what they would like but they did so because they had a player who was checked out. Charlie has also checked out... you don't go meeting opposition coaches if you haven't.

If Cameron was contracted, the Giants would not have traded him.
And especially not for the trade that they did.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If Cameron was contracted, the Giants would not have traded him.
And especially not for the trade that they did.

You don't know that... like I keep telling you, it depends how badly the player wants to leave. Clubs usually don't hold onto players that are checked out.

By matching the bid, they had the power unless Cameron was so disgruntled that he threatened to enter the draft.

Had a trade not been negotiated, Cameron's options were:

• Stay at GWS
• Enter the draft

So the Giants would have held onto him if they really wanted to...

 

[Blue__Balls]

Also I'd say Flanders doesn't offer much we can't find elsewhere or develp internally.

Walter + Humphrey should be the goal.

Walter is the closest to like-for-like prospect and Humphrey fills a key need.

If the value of that combination is genuinely too high I'd top up from our side to get it done.

Yep - to me, Flanders just pushes Lord out of the 22 (if he's in there to start with - he's on the edge I reckon), and while he's probably gonna get more of the pill than Lord now, investing in Lord will see him improve dramatically over the next 1-2 years.

Walter, Ballard and a first rounder gets me over the line. Challenging part is working out which first rounder.

GC will probably need to keep Pick 6 this year for their academy bid matching, whereas for us it probably gets used to match a Dean bid, which in turn means we just get to keep the TDK compo at Pick 10ish.

Their future first could reasonably be assumed to be very late...16-20. That just ends up being Cody-points unless we can find a player to trade it for.

Do we take a bit of a gamble and look at their 2027 first rounder? Similar range, but in a year where we're unlikely to have a top end F/S or NGA player. Feels bad to defer some payment that long, but it might just be a better time for us to have an extra first rounder up our sleeve.

Walter would address the hole in the forward line and pair well with the mobile Harry McKay, and Ballard I think would complement Weiters really well down back and cover the loss of JSOS. I know Ballard is coming back from an ACL, but he's 6 months into the recovery and should be looking at being ready to go for R1 next year. 26yo, very talented.