Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[Stamos]

will get a very good offer from the Suns and it will get done.

No chance it involves top tier players

These 2 things don’t match

 

[ferrisb]

Keen for Rogers to be involved in a proposed Charlie trade. He'll never get bulk mid time at the Suns. I'd say: "Look at Ben Ainsworth's career and ask yourself if that's the role you want long term".

Come to Carlton. We're so bad, you can play where you want!

 

[carlton_99]

It was the Guantanamo Bay part that was the bullying part. Not the Charlie wants to go to Geelong part.

Ah yep that makes sense thanks

 

[Banga19]

What about Leo Lombard? And some obviously. Sounds on paper like a good fit as a mid/fwd

 

[swuzzlebubble]

These 2 things don’t match

I can see merit in a deal that involves multiple "best 22" types and/or good picks but without a "star".

 

[macky99]

Wright, Austin and Co will get a very good offer from the Suns and it will get done. Probably will need to involve a few clubs to get a very decent outcome. No chance it involves top tier players so it will need to be a bundle that gives our club the opportunity to get better over this season and next with players and high end picks.

I’m confident Charlie will be at the Suns.

l agree the Suns are the only team l can see possibly making it happen, but l can also see Wright pushing them down to the wire to have a very strong offering of early picks & possibly Walter also depends on whether some of Suns players wish to move to Carlton.

l still see it probably 50/50 probability.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Brand Petracca ripping up the Goldy…!

Cooking tiktoks on the beach

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Wright, Austin and Co will get a very good offer from the Suns and it will get done. Probably will need to involve a few clubs to get a very decent outcome. No chance it involves top tier players so it will need to be a bundle that gives our club the opportunity to get better over this season and next with players and high end picks.

I’m confident Charlie will be at the Suns.

We aren’t trading Charlie for a bundle of picks. If it’s not involving top tier players there won’t be a deal.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

As much as I'd prefer to get Humphrey, just can't see them letting him go. I've mentioned it already, but clubs just will not trade players that are contracted, playing good football, important to their system and are happy at the club. The detrimental ramifications of doing so far outweigh the benefits.

I could see a trade like this happening...

Charlie + #10 + #21 -> Walter + #7 + F1 + Flanders

• Walter becomes surplus to needs for them. He won't get a game with Charlie there too and is still likely years away from reaching his potential. At Carlton, he will be given more opportunity and a better chance to thrive.
• Suns are in their window now. Charlie is seen as a huge boost to their chances.
• They get more points for this year's draft (which they need for their academy players).
• We get more points for next year's first round (which will be extremely important)... or if no rule changes, we have that additional 1st round pick in a strong draft - heavy leverage for trade capital to bring in a very good player or pick a very talented kid at the draft.
• Flanders is a decent player. Had a very good 2024, good ball user, makes smart decisions (something we lack). 2025 hampered by back injury.
• #7 gives us options... we can either keep it and bank on no one bidding on Dean so we can draft a top 10ish player. We'd then need to accumulate some other draft picks to pay for the Dean bid. Or we could split #7 for two mid-late firsts. One to pay for Dean, the other to trade or take a punt on a kid in the draft.

So as a whole,

We gain:

• A young key forward with massive upside
• A proven good midfielder
• An upgrade to our first pick this year
• Strong trade capital/draft pick for next year

We lose:

• A proven superstar key forward
• JSOS compo pick

I don't think this is a bad net result.

 

[Benaly28]

Thanks for the update Wick.

Can I ask why would saying Geelong is the preference put pressure on Carlton to do a trade when they seemingly have the worst potential deal for Curnow?

Yep.
There’s no pressure on us to do anything.

 

[Blue Heart]

I think so too.

IYHO what is a reasonable trade we should accept as a minmum ?

 

[Meddy43]

Update to this: This is the message D'Orazio is spruiking to bully the club into trading CC.

Another valued source replied directly to it and said "Tell Rob that he can double dip when the club is appropiately compensated."

I hope GW is giving Charlie’s management an absolute bake for how this is being dealt with.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

So angry and disappointed in CC. Good riddance. Make sure we play hard ball on the trade, then don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

Well now he and his manager have pulled the trigger, they better get to work on getting a deal we are ok with, or he stays.
If he can’t be an adult about it, he can play magoos for 4 years with Carlton supporters jeering and throwing sht at him.
FAFO, man-baby.

 

[Dramoth]

Best reply I’ve ever had.

One hand has got shit in it the other hand has a dozen eggs.

We'd go down to visit, and come home with a couple of dozen eggs

 

[Dramoth]

As much as I'd prefer to get Humphrey, just can't see them letting him go. I've mentioned it already, but clubs just will not trade players that are contracted, playing good football, important to their system and are happy at the club. The detrimental ramifications of doing so far outweigh the benefits.

I could see a trade like this happening...

Charlie + #10 + #21 -> Walter + #7 + F1 + Flanders

• Walter becomes surplus to needs for them. He won't get a game with Charlie there too and is still likely years away from reaching his potential. At Carlton, he will be given more opportunity and a better chance to thrive.
• Suns are in their window now. Charlie is seen as a huge boost to their chances.
• They get more points for this year's draft (which they need for their academy players).
• We get more points for next year's first round (which will be extremely important)... or if no rule changes, we have that additional 1st round pick in a strong draft - heavy leverage for trade capital to bring in a very good player or pick a very talented kid at the draft.
• Flanders is a decent player. Had a very good 2024, good ball user, makes smart decisions (something we lack). 2025 hampered by back injury.
• #7 gives us options... we can either keep it and bank on no one bidding on Dean so we can draft a top 10ish player. We'd then need to accumulate some other draft picks to pay for the Dean bid. Or we could split #7 for two mid-late firsts. One to pay for Dean, the other to trade or take a punt on a kid in the draft.

So as a whole,

We gain:

• A young key forward with massive upside
• A proven good midfielder
• An upgrade to our first pick this year
• Strong trade capital/draft pick for next year

We lose:

• A proven superstar key forward
• JSOS compo pick

I don't think this is a bad net result.

Don't we also lose the TDK compo pick?

 

[ctwenty1]

Or offer us King for Charlie.

Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm

 

[Wickzki]

I hope GW is giving Charlie’s management an absolute bake for how this is being dealt with.

Something has to happen at the end of all of this.

You have multiple players and/or their managers straight up being abusive.

Its all about getting them to new clubs so they can make a few hundred thousand more per year because the manager lacked the foresight to see that salaries would jump.

 

[The Blueseum]

Would we do Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and a future first?

He'll be going to the Bombers.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Don't we also lose the TDK compo pick?

Well, technically, it gets upgraded.

 

[jj1978]

It’s time for a big shake up. Happy for the club to take Charlie over breach of his contract if he is in fact refusing to play for us again. Get him off our books and de-registered till end of 29. I’d rather get nothing for him than be rail-roaded.

And f$!. Geelong, they’ll probably offer us a Cam Guthrie and another hack /done player for him anyway.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

These 2 things don’t match

When was the last time a top tier player was traded to another club for another top tier player? It’s pretty rare let’s be honest.

You may want a gun in return but it won’t be happening. I can tell you that. And don’t say the club won’t trade Charlie, he will be traded

 

[Dominator_7]

Can’t believe some of you
Happy to trade Charlie for a bunch of picks and/or some best 22 players but not ‘stars’.
We’d be a laughing stock if we did that.
Thank goodness GW and crew don’t think like that

 

[LanceRomance]

To be honest, if we want to keep him at Carlton we should redraft his brother.

I wouldn't be surprised if Geelong come looking this trade period

CJMB why did you not accept my wisdom?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Can’t believe some of you
Happy to trade Charlie for a bunch of picks and/or sone best 22 players but not ‘stars’.
We’d be a laughing stick if we did that.
Thank goodness GW and crew don’t think like that

Name me a star traded for a star???

 

[Prem17]

Still a LOT to play out in the trade period. It's been mentioned a lot, but there'd be a fair chance we'll look to split the TDK compo pick, which would give us trade capital.

And as a hypothetical, if GCS trade Flanders, they'll have additional trade capital even lower down in the draft that could then be used a steak knives in a Curnow trade.

Many many different scenarios.....and with Wright now at the helm together with Austin, I'm confident our list strategy is in fairly safe hands.

I agree with that.
I'm really hoping that GW takes the lead role through trade week and just says to Austin,"Just sit back and watch how it's done."