Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[Foucault1989]

I'm torn.

On the one hand, we cannot accept anything less than complete overs for Curnow. And I'm talking star player, young up and comer and a first round pick. Non negotiatable.

On the other hand, I don't want petulant, entitled, lazy, conditional footballers at the club. Obviously something hasn't been working with our cultural and connection so a fresh start under Davies and Wright is essential. However, I think it's clear there are issues with attitude of the playing group in terms of taking responsibility and accountability as individuals and a collective.

Curnow may just have to suck it up xbut I hope we get overs for him so we can ship him off.

 

[JJBagger]

Sydney “so keen” but don’t want to offer anything good! Shit is boring

If they are that keen, they will offer something

 

[ctwenty1]

Definitely not but giving him up for break-evens is actually a win because we'll get cap space and not have to worry about poor form from a top earner.

Agree there will be more to evaluating the trade than just draft picks and players, but if his contract was front loaded such taht current salary is low then maybe we won’t be clearing as much cap space

 

[SurreyBlue]

I’ll leave these here. Just to help with some assumptions.

https://www.gq.com.au/gq-sports/highest-paid-afl-players/image-gallery/11da2ad6db015eab3b1bd7f2636beba9

The highest paid players in the AFL as rich list revealed

More players than ever before were paid more than $1 million last year

www.afl.com.au

 

[katmanblue]

We’ve been doing it for 23 years as supporters

I wasn't sulking here

 

[katmanblue]

Nope, he can play vfl unless we get what’s overs as we cannot allow competition to get a star cheap because Charlie wants out.

Exactly.

Charlie isn't your run of the mill midfielder or half back. He's always a problem for the opposition.

 

[katmanblue]

I’ll leave these here. Just to help with some assumptions.

https://www.gq.com.au/gq-sports/highest-paid-afl-players/image-gallery/11da2ad6db015eab3b1bd7f2636beba9

The highest paid players in the AFL as rich list revealed

More players than ever before were paid more than $1 million last year

www.afl.com.au

That's changed quite a bit recently.

 

[katmanblue]

Agree there will be more to evaluating the trade than just draft picks and players, but if his contract was front loaded such taht current salary is low then maybe we won’t be clearing as much cap space

My guess would be around 700k.

 

[raymagoo]

Do we have any threads that aren't 370 pages of repetitive Charlie talk?

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Do we have any threads that aren't 370 pages of repetitive Charlie talk?

The actual official Curnow thread

Past - 30. Charlie Curnow

www.bigfooty.com

 

[DZ4]

Nope, he can play vfl unless we get what’s overs as we cannot allow competition to get a star cheap because Charlie wants out.

The club isn’t going to let him rot in the VFL or become a distraction at the expense of a massive haul of picks. Especially in this transitional period.

We just need to adjust our expectations on what a trade deal will actually look like. It’s one thing to get a club to put up a star player, it’s another thing to convince them to play for Carlton. It’s just not going to happen.

I do think we can get a great haul of picks on top of Dean and bolster the bottom half of our best 22. Which is what I think will end up happening whether we like it or not.

 

[DZ4]

If they are that keen, they will offer something

I would love for it to be the Suns as they have a shed load of picks and undervalued kids ready to play at AFL level. We can win if he chooses GC.

 

[BlueLocke]

The club isn’t going to let him rot in the VFL or become a distraction at the expense of a massive haul of picks. Especially in this transitional period.

We just need to adjust our expectations on what a trade deal will actually look like. It’s one thing to get a club to put up a star player, it’s another thing to convince them to play for Carlton. It’s just not going to happen.

I do think we can get a great haul of picks on top of Dean and bolster the bottom half of our best 22. Which is what I think will end up happening whether we like it or not.

If the end result of three best 22 players out (all of whom play structurally important positions) is a “haul of picks” in a weak/compromised draft, 2026 and 2027 are going to be very, very challenging years from a supporter perspective.

I’m not saying you’re wrong around the adjusting expectations, I agree to an extent, but we are not going to be a very competitive football side without some experienced players coming in to bolster the list.

 

[choo]

I’ll guarantee that Curnow reached out to Geelong the Monday after write the bike to the G fiasco.
He was sooking about the attention to everyone who’d listen

 

[Smegger]

Nope, he can play vfl unless we get what’s overs as we cannot allow competition to get a star cheap because Charlie wants out.

Can't see Charlie being relegated to just the vfl. Guessing he would have on going "injury" issues.

Daniher from * to the lions appeared that way.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

4 yrs is a long time to sulk.

Yeah don't worry, when the trade doesn't eventuate... the club will help Charlie release a fluff piece about how much he loves the club and supporters... and of course, those gullible enough will believe him... just like they did when he "adamantly" stated that he wanted to stay a couple months ago

 

[BlueLocke]

GW’s approach to the trade:

 

[Blue_Fusion]

When Charlie remains... there is zero chance he'll be relegated to VFL football.

 

[DZ4]

If the end result of three best 22 players out (all of whom play structurally important positions) is a “haul of picks” in a weak/compromised draft, 2026 and 2027 are going to be very, very challenging years from a supporter perspective.

I’m not saying you’re wrong around the adjusting expectations, I agree to an extent, but we are not going to be a very competitive football side without some experienced players coming in to bolster the list.

They’re going to be challenging years regardless. You’d rather do it with all players on board and do it before Tasmania enter.

Find some good kids over the next 12 months and then go big on free agency with our new found cap space. Things can change quickly.

 

[HBF]

You would hope so, hbf.

SOS held firm the first time Gibbs under contract wanted to go home to Adelaide and didn’t blink. Crows had to wait another 12 months and 2 R1 picks later to make it happen.

Bit of a test case for GW to make a statement and test his Carlton First philosophy.

History suggests GW is bloody good at this. A huge get for our footy club

 

[Bennyboy7777]

IMHO, the longer this CC circus goes (as painful as it is) and the more clubs involved, the better our chances of maximising what we can get from a trade. The panic of our competitors’ fingers - who want Charlie - on their triggers is our friend! Furthermore, let Charlie and his manager squirm. How he has ever been in the leadership group is an indictment on the culture of our club!

Carlton, let clubs know what we want and just sit back and chill.

 

[Shambolic]

IMHO, the longer this CC circus goes (as painful as it is) and the more clubs involved, the better our chances of maximising what we can get from a trade. The panic of our competitors’ fingers - who want Charlie - on their triggers is our friend! Furthermore, let Charlie and his manager squirm. How he has ever been in the leadership group is an indictment on the culture of our club!

Carlton, let clubs know what we want and just sit back and chill.

we need 3 top 8 teams who miss out to get serious and outbid each other, I think GC wins

 

[ForeverForward]

Oh Gawd, I thought you would of all found something else to be talking about by now. See ya next year, sheesh

 

[juzza316]

Jack Martin

19

Jack Martin

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

and Dan Houston

9

Dan Houston

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

playing in a grand final.

TDK,JSOS gone.

Charlie Curnow

30

Charlie Curnow

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

wants out.

Other than that everything is good

 

[katmanblue]

IMHO, the longer this CC circus goes (as painful as it is) and the more clubs involved, the better our chances of maximising what we can get from a trade. The panic of our competitors’ fingers - who want Charlie - on their triggers is our friend! Furthermore, let Charlie and his manager squirm. How he has ever been in the leadership group is an indictment on the culture of our club!

Carlton, let clubs know what we want and just sit back and chill.

There is no "longer for it to go on". Trade period is Oct 6-15. İt'll continue until then.