Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[swuzzlebubble]

Collingwood have no say where Elliott chooses to play next year

The amount of money and years they offer will impact his decision

 

[JJBagger]

I’ll go from a different angle, Doc is giving his honest feedback on the club, if he is saying negative things, it’s because he believes them.

We had a disaster of a season and I with many others called for Voss to be sacked but the club is sticking with him, if we have a well respected, quality player just retiring and now saying negative things, why not consider they might be true?

Doc did leave Voss at Brisbane, so maybe like many here, he just doesn’t rate him as a coach and like us, thinks the club botched our list management th past few years.

The decisions made by Wright and the list management team so far have indicated the issues can largely be attributed to the playing group, of which Doc was a part of. Maybe he doesn’t like the players having accountability put on them? Or maybe he didn’t like to be made accountable for culture set within the playing group?

 

[Moon]

What did Doc say exactly on the stream?

He is starting to drop little sound bites around the media circuit since he's retired, none of which are positive.

He wants to be careful not to burn the goodwill he's earnt with the supporter base and start coming across as bitter and selfish.

Just listened to that. Previously heard Doc copping criticism for what he said.

Absolutely nothing in it. Doc didn't take the bait and was good.
Don't know why anyone would want to throw any mud at Doc. He's a Carlton legend.

 

[blue healer]

I’ll go from a different angle, Doc is giving his honest feedback on the club, if he is saying negative things, it’s because he believes them.

We had a disaster of a season and I with many others called for Voss to be sacked but the club is sticking with him, if we have a well respected, quality player just retiring and now saying negative things, why not consider they might be true?

Doc did leave Voss at Brisbane, so maybe like many here, he just doesn’t rate him as a coach and like us, thinks the club botched our list management th past few years.

In my experience here if a well respected player (both current and former) says negative things about the club then he is no longer "well respected" regardless of mitigating facts.

 

[BlueTongue]

Collingwood have no say where Elliott chooses to play next year

Of course, I forgot he’d be UFA by now.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Collingwood have no say where Elliott chooses to play next year

Reckon he has been a chance to leave many times .. he’ll finish there I reckon.
As for mihocek let’s hope he signs their 2 yr offer

 

[DangerousD]

Doch's we should've gone all.in to win a flag, with what salary cap?

The same sort cap Brisbane had when they lost the prelim to go out and get Dunkley, McKenna and Gunston, the same one they’ve got, that has them about to sign 2 free agents at $1M each.

The same salary cap that Collingwood had when they won the GF to go and get Schulz, then a season later go out and get 2 players at $1.7M between them.

The same salary cap that Geelong had when they lost the GF and went out and spent $1M on Cameron

The same salary cap that Hawthorn used at the end of last season, bringing in a FA and a big trade totalling about $1.8M

Most have slowly come to the realisation that we absolutely stuffed our cap, all these other clubs can improve the list year on year, yet we have no room, season after season.

 

[BlueTongue]

I’ll go from a different angle, Doc is giving his honest feedback on the club, if he is saying negative things, it’s because he believes them.

We had a disaster of a season and I with many others called for Voss to be sacked but the club is sticking with him, if we have a well respected, quality player just retiring and now saying negative things, why not consider they might be true?

Doc did leave Voss at Brisbane, so maybe like many here, he just doesn’t rate him as a coach and like us, thinks the club botched our list management th past few years.

Which is the stream people are referring to?
I saw the Hamish McLachlan one and didnt really pickup anything negative from that?

 

[The Bighouse]

In my experience here if a well respected player (both current and former) says negative things about the club then he is no longer "well respected" regardless of mitigating facts.

Lost a lot of respect with his performances in ‘25. There is no way he could have suited up again in ‘26 off that.

Doc was a prime example of our form. Shitful kicking and a lot of poor contesting - that’s not leadership.

Should have gone by the MSD IMO.

A bit of selfishness with the EF selection and trying to stick around longer when he was already cooked (and rightfully so after what his body has been through).

 

[blue healer]

The decisions made by Wright and the list management team so far have indicated the issues can largely be attributed to the playing group, of which Doc was a part of. Maybe he doesn’t like the players having accountability put on them? Or maybe he didn’t like to be made accountable for culture set within the playing group?

I think it'd be a bit more accurate if we were to insert the words "they think" before "largely attributed to the playing group".

Happy to wait and see how this plays out but so far it looks a bit like everyone but Wright and Voss are the reasons we performed badly over the last year and a half.

 

[The Bighouse]

The same sort cap Brisbane had when they lost the prelim to go out and get Dunkley, McKenna and Gunston, the same one they’ve got, that has them about to sign 2 free agents at $1M each.

The same salary cap that Collingwood had when they won the GF to go and get Schulz, then a season later go out and get 2 players at $1.7M between them.

The same salary cap that Geelong had when they lost the GF and went out and spent $1M on Cameron

The same salary cap that Hawthorn used at the end of last season, bringing in a FA and a big trade totalling about $1.8M

Most have slowly come to the realisation that we absolutely stuffed our cap, all these other clubs can improve the list year on year, yet we have no room, season after season.

Our maths must be pretty ordinary in the back room. Or again, we’re overpaying everyone and overestimated our playing list.

We must have a bucket load of cash freeing up for a 2026 strike.

 

[DangerousD]

Reckon he has been a chance to leave many times .. he’ll finish there I reckon.
As for mihocek let’s hope he signs their 2 yr offer

I love this time of year tactic wise, one of the biggest mistakes I think clubs make is, overestimating or underestimating where a list is at.

Collingwood maybe were right to go get Houston and Perry an to have another crack but now it failed, they are at a huge crossroad, as a neutral they should be trading Mihocek and letting Elliott walk but I think they will reload and go again and they will be stuffed if Tassie comes in.

 

[Michael Jezz]

The same sort cap Brisbane had when they lost the prelim to go out and get Dunkley, McKenna and Gunston, the same one they’ve got, that has them about to sign 2 free agents at $1M each.

The same salary cap that Collingwood had when they won the GF to go and get Schulz, then a season later go out and get 2 players at $1.7M between them.

The same salary cap that Geelong had when they lost the GF and went out and spent $1M on Cameron

The same salary cap that Hawthorn used at the end of last season, bringing in a FA and a big trade totalling about $1.8M

Most have slowly come to the realisation that we absolutely stuffed our cap, all these other clubs can improve the list year on year, yet we have no room, season after season.

So you agree Nick Austin should have been sacked for mismanaging the cap but we still had no cap space and those players would not have come. Docherty is just deflecting from any aspect that he may have been apart of: playing culture, internals and the fact we have been proven as not good enough.

 

[Will_Hayward]

I’ll go from a different angle, Doc is giving his honest feedback on the club, if he is saying negative things, it’s because he believes them.

We had a disaster of a season and I with many others called for Voss to be sacked but the club is sticking with him, if we have a well respected, quality player just retiring and now saying negative things, why not consider they might be true?

Doc did leave Voss at Brisbane, so maybe like many here, he just doesn’t rate him as a coach and like us, thinks the club botched our list management th past few years.

When asked whether it was coaching or gameplan, Doc implied it was actually list management that was the issue. No evidence to support what you're saying.

 

[DangerousD]

When asked whether it was coaching or gameplan, Doc implied it was actually list management that was the issue. No evidence to support what you're saying.

There’s plenty of evidence, I’ve said many times I thought Voss should be sacked and so have dozens of others. I don’t rate Voss as a coach, the same as lots of others.

Doc is a well respected Carlton person, there is hundreds of posts of admiration spanning several years of posters here and media.

Doc did leave Brisbane, so I’m not sure what evidence you’re looking for.

If Doc specifically mentions kit management then that’s great because so many here have raised it, it’s normal that the playing list are negatively fetched when they see other clubs strengthening their list every year and we don’t.

 

[DangerousD]

So you agree Nick Austin should have been sacked for mismanaging the cap but we still had no cap space and those players would not have come. Docherty is just deflecting from any aspect that he may have been apart of: playing culture, internals and the fact we have been proven as not good enough.

I think Austin has been a mess on so many issues and I think he will be sacked by years end, the tough part is how much is Austin and how much is Agresta.

A previous poster said Doc was more critical of list management and so all the players should, if they se other clubs going all in for a flag and bringing in good players and then see us actually trading away depth players and bringing in not much, then of course they would be pissed.

We have gone backwards because after several years we still can’t get a healthy list and for several years we kept trading out depth and bringing in stuff all, whilst others around us did the opposite.

 

[BlueTongue]

Pies have just clipped the ice berg and there’s water gushing in from all parts.
Imo there in for some pain over the coming years.
Would a nick daicos be gettable off a fast sinking ship?
Come home Nicholas

Josh would be pretty handy too. He sets up so much play.
Literally anyone who can kick would be good.

 

[JJBagger]

I think Austin has been a mess on so many issues and I think he will be sacked by years end, the tough part is how much is Austin and how much is Agresta.

A previous poster said Doc was more critical of list management and so all the players should, if they se other clubs going all in for a fly and bringing in good players and then see us actually trading away depth players and bringing in not much, then of course they would be pissed.

We have gone backwards because after several years we still can’t get a healthy list and for several years we kept trading out depth and bringing in stuff all, whilst others around us did the opposite.

There’s very little evidence of any of this, it’s all just opinion. Seems like you just have a gripe with Austin.

 

[DangerousD]

There’s very little evidence of any of this, it’s all just opinion. Seems like you just have a gripe with Austin.

Evidence of what?

have we gone backwards, yes, that’s a fact.

Have we been able to get a healthy list, no.

Have we traded depth the past few years, yes.

Its pretty clear when a poster says, I think, that it’s an opinion.

 

[carlton_99]

Evidence of what?

have we gone backwards, yes, that’s a fact.

Have we been able to get a healthy list, no.

Have we traded depth the past few years, yes.

Its pretty clear when a poster says, I think, that it’s an opinion.

Kennedy and Owies yes. Both for other reasons. But not sure the others can be considered quality depth when they were unavailable for half the season or more.

 

[JJBagger]

Evidence of what?

have we gone backwards, yes, that’s a fact.

Have we been able to get a healthy list, no.

Have we traded depth the past few years, yes.

Its pretty clear when a poster says, I think, that it’s an opinion.

No evidence that Austin will get sacked. You’re just projecting

You’re blaming us going backwards because we traded our blokes that were there when we started going backwards? It’s also not linear, we had to get rid of the injury plagued guys because they were hampering us and our depth chart. We were largely poor this year due to half of our best team being out at times

 

[JJBagger]

Kennedy and Owies yes. Both for other reasons. But not sure the others can be considered quality depth when they were unavailable for half the season or more.

This too. Owies helped to get us pick 3, and Kennedy got us HOF

 

[Will_Hayward]

There’s plenty of evidence, I’ve said many times I thought Voss should be sacked and so have dozens of others. I don’t rate Voss as a coach, the same as lots of others.

Doc is a well respected Carlton person, there is hundreds of posts of admiration spanning several years of posters here and media.

Doc did leave Brisbane, so I’m not sure what evidence you’re looking for.

If Doc specifically mentions kit management then that’s great because so many here have raised it, it’s normal that the playing list are negatively fetched when they see other clubs strengthening their list every year and we don’t.

There was no evidence that Doc shared your view. Beyond what he said you're just speculating.

 

[Moon]

Lost a lot of respect with his performances in ‘25. There is no way he could have suited up again in ‘26 off that.

Doc was a prime example of our form. Shitful kicking and a lot of poor contesting - that’s not leadership.

Should have gone by the MSD IMO.

A bit of selfishness with the EF selection and trying to stick around longer when he was already cooked (and rightfully so after what his body has been through).

Yeah ok, granted ... Doc stuck around for one season too many. Not the first, won't be the last
Like most Men as they age ... the mind believes they've still got it ... the body says otherwise. Ring any bells fellas?

 

[The Bighouse]

Josh would be pretty handy too. He sets up so much play.
Literally anyone who can kick would be good.

Send down a box full of the Peter Daicos Goal Masters for the squad to use over pre-season