Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[irel]

Pick 33 is what its going to be which is still overs.

Its stilll insane to me Brisbane fans want a pick they wont even be allowed to use so badly.

Oh absolutely we'll take it anyway, we love collecting picks like AFL Player cards. Can’t use them? Even better. Just sitting there, radiating malice and strategic chaos when we bid on your NGA rorts. And if it means it costs you an extra 300 points? Chef’s kiss.

 

[beatnik]

You’ve not addressed the long point in the last page about the nuance of WC not lodging a bid and thus not being matched.

I share your view that by putting Brisbane putting a new offer in it is a defacto match and thus bypasses the PSD, but I don’t know that for fact as there isn’t any clear guidance.

I’ve emailed the AFLPA to see if they can advise but no guarantee I’ll get a reply

Free agency allows a player to sign with another club of their choice.

Restricted Free Agency allows the current club to match.

If a player hasn't received an offer from another club, then there is no logical reason for the player to reject the offer from their current club given they're eligible for free agency.

So the problem is the way you've framed it as a nuance whereas a more honest way of describing the scenario you're proposing would be "what if the club and player/management conspired with the specific purpose of denying the player's current club the compensation they're entitled to under free agency?"

The answer to that question is: because that would, in effect, be an obvious case of tampering (or similar language) and would be dealt with by other rules.


In terms of the AFLPA, have a look at their free agency flow chat:

https://aflplayers.com.au/app/uploads/2020/12/AFL_FREE_AGENCY_EXPLAINED_2019.pdf

You'll note that where a player is not eligible for free agency, they say:

FREE AGENCY NOT AVAILABLE (Can only move club via trade or the drafts)

...yet when a player is eligible for free agency, they say their options are to:

STAY WITH EXISTING CLUB OR NOMINATE FOR DRAFT OR SEEK TRADE.

I'll be interested to hear what they say if they do reply...I suspect they'll ask you why you think Starce's management would entertain being a part of such a conspiracy.

I will be glad when this is all done...it's become very tedious.

 

[Maboo]

Pick 33 is what its going to be which is still overs.

Its stilll insane to me Brisbane fans want a pick they wont even be allowed to use so badly.

Delusional, it's still insane to me some weagles fans persist with this rubbish when they have apparently offered $900,000 and six years to come home and play in a shit team. if you have made a commitment to Starce then deal in good faith and stop acting like a bottom feeder, oops carry on.

 

[Mop]

Free agency allows a player to sign with another club of their choice.

Restricted Free Agency allows the current club to match.

If a player hasn't received an offer from another club, then there is no logical reason for the player to reject the offer from their current club given they're eligible for free agency.

So the problem is the way you've framed it as a nuance whereas a more honest way of describing the scenario you're proposing would be "what if the club and player/management conspired with the specific purpose of denying the player's current club the compensation they're entitled to under free agency?"

The answer to that question is: because that would, in effect, be an obvious case of tampering (or similar language) and would be dealt with by other rules.


In terms of the AFLPA, have a look at their free agency flow chat:

https://aflplayers.com.au/app/uploads/2020/12/AFL_FREE_AGENCY_EXPLAINED_2019.pdf

You'll note that where a player is not eligible for free agency, they say:

FREE AGENCY NOT AVAILABLE (Can only move club via trade or the drafts)

...yet when a player is eligible for free agency, they say their options are to:

STAY WITH EXISTING CLUB OR NOMINATE FOR DRAFT OR SEEK TRADE.

I'll be interested to hear what they say if they do reply...I suspect they'll ask you why you think Starce's management would entertain being a part of such a conspiracy.

I will be glad when this is all done...it's become very tedious.

I looked at the same flow chart as you. I’ve looked at every source available.

There’s no precedent. I share your interpretation that a new offer trumps no offer and this acts as de facto protection but it is just that, an interpretation, and I’m open to accepting I’m wrong.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

It makes absolutely no sense for a free agent, even a restricted one, to have less options than a regular out of contract player.

So given that this is the afl, it's probably the case.

 

[mattsmob]

It makes absolutely no sense for a free agent, even a restricted one, to have less options than a regular out of contract player.

So given that this is the afl, it's probably the case.

That’s just not true, he can go where he wants. It’s the Eagles situation that has made things complicated

 

[Hasselhough]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but I am sure, as a RFA he must nominate the national draft and not the PSD

I thought that was only the case if west coast tried to get him as a free agent and Brisbane matched the offer .

If starcivich doesn't exercise his free agency rights he is just like any other out of contract player

 

[Mop]

I think this is one of those cases the AFL hasn’t considered and thus it is uncharted territory.

 

[Maboo]

I thought that was only the case if west coast tried to get him as a free agent and Brisbane matched the offer .

If starcivich doesn't exercise his free agency rights he is just like any other out of contract player

Starce not exercising his free agency rights is better for us, you will have to pony up, probably the end of first round combo pick. And don't start all the PSD crap because it's not happening, it's just superficial chest beating that supporter bases trot out every trade period. Oh, I forgot, bid on Annabel whenever you like we will be fine.

 

[Lore]

I think this is one of those cases the AFL hasn’t considered and thus it is uncharted territory.

Does this not cover it?

 

[Suma Magic]

Give them the compo pick. No more, no less!

 

[Suma Magic]

There is no uncertainty.

RFA can just act like a normal uncontracted player if they want.

Or can go the RFA route. Where an offer is made.

Then if it’s matched, the player accepts or rejects the matched offer. If he accepts, then he stays. If he rejects, then he becomes just like any uncontracted player and can nominate for either draft or seek a trade.

If the current club doesn’t match the offer, he goes via free agency and his old team gets compo.

 

[Suma Magic]

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, Starc is just like any uncontracted player and the dynamics are exactly the same.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Wonder who we should get with West Coast's pick 19?

 

[Shueygod]

Starce not exercising his free agency rights is better for us, you will have to pony up, probably the end of first round combo pick. And don't start all the PSD crap because it's not happening, it's just superficial chest beating that supporter bases trot out every trade period. Oh, I forgot, bid on Annabel whenever you like we will be fine.

This is chest beating you clown, Bris would obviously far prefer eagles not to bid than bid at 1.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Anyway this is how it works. We are not going to offer Starcevich a contract under RFA. We will simply do nothing and Starcevich will request a trade. If Starcevich declines your contract offer he comes a uncontracted player. Uncontracted players can enter the PSD as they wish without needing to go into the National Draft because being previously listed means he can skip the national draft

This isnt hard to read about guys... The law is pretty plain and simple here

Look. We have an eagles board member here leaking their plans to get Starcevich

 

[Maboo]

This is chest beating you clown, Bris would obviously far prefer eagles not to bid than bid at 1.

How good is this? seriously bid where you freaking want. You product of a piss horn strained through the sheets.
name calling is fun

 

[crankygeese]

Does this not cover it?

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Thank you, that confirms my earlier post. Much appreciated. It was the one piece I couldn't find to add to the post.

It still doesn't make move to the PSD plausible, but it does define the actual mechanism that is available.

 

[Lore]

Thank you, that confirms my earlier post. Much appreciated. It was the one piece I couldn't find to add to the post.

It still doesn't make move to the PSD plausible, but it does define the actual mechanism that is available.

The other missing piece then is that there is only one draft nomination form. It's not a separate form to nominate for the psd, just a different section on the same form which doesn't have any eligibility criteria around FA status.

 

[Lore]

And actually, there's nothing in the rules or the CBA anywhere that requires a FA to go to the national draft even if the bid is matched. All of the actual rules only say "the draft" or "an AFL draft", which is defined in the front matter of each document as being any of the (November) drafts. I think the MSRD is a slightly different situation.

The only thing that specifies the national draft is the old flowchart that the AFLPA produced about 13-14 years ago (2012? I think).

 

[Seadog]

Starce not exercising his free agency rights is better for us, you will have to pony up, probably the end of first round combo pick. And don't start all the PSD crap because it's not happening, it's just superficial chest beating that supporter bases trot out every trade period. Oh, I forgot, bid on Annabel whenever you like we will be fine.

The hawks 2nd round pick is sufficient for a bloke with a dodgy scone.

 

[Shueygod]

How good is this? seriously bid where you freaking want. You product of a piss horn strained through the sheets.
name calling is fun

You went on about fans chest beating then claim 1000 points extra would mean nothing to brisbanes list management team.

Listen to your own advice.

 

[crankygeese]

The other missing piece then is that there is only one draft nomination form. It's not a separate form to nominate for the psd, just a different section on the same form which doesn't have any eligibility criteria around FA status.

Now that is interesting and something I wasn't aware of. I forget how good that FAQs resource is.

 

[Maboo]

You went on about fans chest beating then claim 1000 points extra would mean nothing to brisbanes list management team.

Listen to your own advice.

Keep up that was in relation to, and I am paraphrasing, take pick whatever or we bid on Annabel and it’s the PSD. So my reply is do your worst idk. And the PSD threat is old, tired and nothing but annual chest beating, I wonder what percentage of players that moved clubs were marched though the PSD, my guess would be less than 1%

 

[FreeAgent1]

Would be hilarious for lions to match and force a trade and then for the first time probably since Cameron have the PSD threat has zero leverage…. Also under this scenario no pick 2 compo….

So this will be for pick 19 as all other options have more downside for eagles.