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[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Quality post Jimmae but we can can agree to disagree on a few points.

Twomey on Footy Furnace, who is the main draft guy, basically insinuated that a bid would come on Dean before our TDK compo pick hence we are looking to trade it. I'm sorry but I'd trust his knowledge of this draft over supporters on Big Footy who come from a biased and passionate angle.

As for Hayward, yes I'd take him in a Charlie trade. But Campbell (don't mind him), Dattoli (unproven), Florent (not even best 22 at Sydney anymore and is soft) are not really the kind of quality we should be looking at when trading away a superstar player.

I agree on the Dean part. Imo he'll get bid on within 10.

The rating of the Swans players is just mind boggling to me. This is a team that has played in two Grand finals over the last few years with Hayward, Florent and Campbell being mainstays of those teams.

If you go through each of them and list what their strengths are as players and then how the Swans and Carlton's lists differ in terms of needs/deficiencies you'll quickly realize why each of them would help us.

Any of Hayward, Campbell, McInerney, Florent would walk straight into our current team and play every game if healthy.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If we're giving up our 2x Coleman medal winning star I don't want mediocre roleplayers who can walk into our best 22 that lacks depth and quality.

I want a player who can walk into our top 5-10 players at a minimum and then some.

Star for star or something that will undeniably give us one.

If we're making a deal with Sydney the reality is those 'mediocre roleplayers' (ironically some of the best in the league) are what we'd be getting back on top of a raft of picks. They aren't trading Gulden, Heeney, Warner or Blakey and frankly have nothing else left to give.

So it's quite simple, we either take a deal of that nature or keep Charlie. Something many would be fine with, but that depends on how the club see it.

 

[zeeCFC]

Quality post Jimmae but we can can agree to disagree on a few points.

Twomey on Footy Furnace, who is the main draft guy, basically insinuated that a bid would come on Dean before our TDK compo pick hence we are looking to trade it. I'm sorry but I'd trust his knowledge of this draft over supporters on Big Footy who come from a biased and passionate angle.

As for Hayward, yes I'd take him in a Charlie trade. But Campbell (don't mind him), Dattoli (unproven), Florent (not even best 22 at Sydney anymore and is soft) are not really the kind of quality we should be looking at when trading away a superstar player.

Tell us who would select Dean and why. Twomey has proven the only Carlton info he ever gets about us is from the opposition, he just regurgitates what the player managers tell him.

Eagles and Tigers are too high in the draft to select him and also have adequate coverage in the position, Essendon has enough tall defensive cover and they're desperate for midfielders and flankers.

Saints likely won't have the pick but even still, they've got Wilkie, SOS, Aleer, Tauru etc

Hawks have enough tall defenders.

So assume Uwland, Patterson, Annable go top 6 that pushes the Sydney pick to 11 and the most likely Dogs to 13.

 

[Wickzki]

If we're making a deal with Sydney the reality is those 'mediocre roleplayers' (ironically some of the best in the league) are what we'd be getting back on top of a raft of picks. They aren't trading Gulden, Heeney, Warner or Blakey and frankly have nothing else left to give.

So it's quite simple, we either take a deal of that nature or keep Charlie. Something many would be fine with, but that depends on how the club see it.

Club has made it quite clear that they're targeting an A-grade talent in return for Charlie.

None of those guys are A-graders.

They need to find a way to facilitate a trade to get us what our club perceives to be an A-grader.

Charlie is not a player you settle on a trade for.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Club has made it quite clear that they're targeting an A-grade talent in return for Charlie.

None of those guys are A-graders.

They need to find a way to facilitate a trade to get us what our club perceives to be an A-grader.

Charlie is not a player you settle on a trade for.

Pick 2 would be considered A grade talent in the door.

If the deal is ultimately Pick 2, F1, Hayward, Florent and some steak knives for Curnow and TDK compo that's likely the best we can hope for.

Unfortunately with the NGA/FS changes that F1 has become a lot more valuable to us for getting Cody.

Its either that or we keep Charlie. No chance we're getting a Gulden or anyone back of that ilk.

 

[Premiership Quarter]

It is proven that Swans fringe players are best 22 with us.
Imagine what Swans best 22 are with us!

I'm not sure a couple of blokes coming in and being in your 16-22 range compensates losing a top 3 contracted player on your list. Sure the depth is handy buy Sydney will be laughing at that, they give up a couple if fringies and picks that aren't that amazing for a gun key forward.

 

[Blue By Blood]

I agree on the Dean part. Imo he'll get bid on within 10.

The rating of the Swans players is just mind boggling to me. This is a team that has played in two Grand finals over the last few years with Hayward, Florent and Campbell being mainstays of those teams.

If you go through each of them and list what their strengths are as players and then how the Swans and Carlton's lists differ in terms of needs/deficiencies you'll quickly realize why each of them would help us.

Any of Hayward, Campbell, McInerney, Florent would walk straight into our current team and play every game if healthy.

If we want a Florent or Campbell we are better off trading for them separately rather than diluting the Curnow trade. Push for them to take their pick 9 and find a suitor to get that into the top 5. Likewise with their future 1st. Get them to push that higher with a team likely to finish lower on the ladder.

If they want a superstar like Charlie then the onus is on them to stump up something very significant and do that leg work. They can't just flip 9 to us and say good luck getting that higher. They need to do that and then come to us with better picks. Some supporters are so willing to trade away a contracted superstar player for unders that it blows my mind.

I respect that guys like Campbell and Florent have a skill set we need but that doesn't mean we should include them in the Charlie trade. Florent for instance could be picked off very cheaply in a separate trade. Need to have a wider view of this and not narrow in and accept role players in a trade for a superstar if it means the other picks that come with them aren't as good.

 

[Jimmae]

If the deal is ultimately Pick 2, F1, Hayward, Florent and some steak knives for Curnow and TDK compo that's likely the best we can hope for.

I'd twist that into keeping the TDK pick in exchange for Acres and our F2, with my only concern being if WCE would be any risk of picking Robey ahead of us.

There's also an excellent opportunity for us to swap WCE's new end of first pick with the SOS compo, assuming their pick comes before ours. Free points!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If we want a Florent or Campbell we are better off trading for them separately rather than diluting the Curnow trade. Push for them to take their pick 9 and find a suitor to get that into the top 5. Likewise with their future 1st. Get them to push that higher with a team likely to finish lower on the ladder.

If they want a superstar like Charlie then the onus is on them to stump up something very significant and do that leg work. They can't just flip 9 to us and say good luck getting that higher. They need to do that and then come to us with better picks. Some supporters are so willing to trade away a contracted superstar player for unders that it blows my mind.

I respect that guys like Campbell and Florent have a skill set we need but that doesn't mean we should include them in the Charlie trade. Florent for instance could be picked off very cheaply in a separate trade. Need to have a wider view of this and not narrow in and accept role players in a trade for a superstar if it means the other picks that come with them aren't as good.

This is all just meaningless posturing.

We're apparently already in discussions around moving up to pick 2 with WCE and have to deal with them for Chesser. We can just incorporate the Swans pick into those discussions if we were to let Charlie go. Sydney can be a part of those discussions or we can do them separately, it makes no difference.

As for next year's 1st, unless they plan on giving up the equivalent of about 5 first rounders in total there's no way they can do both.

We also have very very little currency as it stands so good luck getting a deal for any of those players and still getting Dean + Ison unless we're sending someone major out the door.

Something around that mark will likely be the best offer we get for Curnow, so it's up to the club to decide whether they deem that a worthwhile deal to let him walk.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I'd twist that into keeping the TDK pick in exchange for Acres and our F2, with my only concern being if WCE would be any risk of picking Robey ahead of us.

If they say yes to that then take it and run. We already fleeced them with Owies, an f2 and Acres wouldn't be near what I'd accept if I was WCE.

 

[Blue By Blood]

This is all just meaningless posturing.

We're apparently already in discussions around moving up to pick 2 with WCE and have to deal with them for Chesser. We can just incorporate the Swans pick into those discussions if we were to let Charlie go. Sydney can be a part of those discussions or we can do them separately, it makes no difference.

As for next year's 1st, unless they plan on giving up the equivalent of about 5 first rounders in total there's no way they can do both.

We also have very very little currency as it stands so good luck getting a deal for any of those players and still getting Dean + Ison unless we're sending someone major out the door.

Something around that mark will likely be the best offer we get for Curnow, so it's up to the club to decide whether they deem that a worthwhile deal to let him walk.

My point is if that's what's on offer and the 'best we get' for Charlie then I don't want that. Just because a couple of role players add to a skill set we need doesn't mean that they should be included in that deal. That's my opinion, and seemingly this board is split pretty 50-50 on this. I respect the opposing view point, I just don't agree with it.

I also don't think that posturing is pointless as it shows a ruthless edge and that we won't just give our contracted players away easily. Players would be wanting out left right and centre if they knew we would facilitate it every time. I think we agree to disagree here and end this discussion now as we aren't going to see eye to eye on this.

 

[Jimmae]

If they say yes to that then take it and run. We already fleeced them with Owies, an f2 and Acres wouldn't be near what I'd accept if I was WCE.

I assume Sydney would be throwing them something else, presumably a decent player looking for midfield minutes, or dislodged out of the forward line by Curnow.

Maybe we'd throw them McGovern?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

My point is if that's what's on offer and the 'best we get' for Charlie then I don't want that. Just because a couple of role players add to a skill set we need doesn't mean that they should be included in that deal. That's my opinion, and seemingly this board is split pretty 50-50 on this. I respect the opposing view point, I just don't agree with it.

I also don't think that posturing is pointless as it shows a ruthless edge and that we won't just give our contracted players away easily. Players would be wanting out left right and centre if they knew we would facilitate it every time. I think we agree to disagree here and end this discussion now as we aren't going to see eye to eye on this.

A ruthless edge on something completely meaningless is not a ruthless edge, it's just being an arse. Its also not something Austin has shown any interest in doing over his tenure.

Its like when GCS kicked up a stink over Jack Martin, we offered a fair deal and ultimately it meant nothing other than us getting him for free after a prolonged process.

If we're in discussions with WCE for their pick 2 already then there's no reason we should be lumping it on the Swans to organize moving up in the draft for us.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I assume Sydney would be throwing them something else, presumably a decent player looking for midfield minutes, or dislodged out of the forward line by Curnow.

Maybe we'd throw them McGovern?

Pick 2 + Chesser and a 3rd rounder
For
TDK Compo + Syd 2025 1st + McGovern

Its not as hilarious as the Jagga trade last year but I still think we come out winners in that quite comfortably.

 

[Jimmae]

Pick 2 + Chesser and a 3rd rounder
For
TDK Compo + Syd 2025 1st + McGovern

Its not as hilarious as the Jagga trade last year but I still think we come out winners in that quite comfortably.

This was my thinking:

2 + Chesser
for
TDK pick (or Sydney's 2025 1st) + Acres + McGovern + Carlton 2026 2nd

That values Acres and McGovern combined as about pick 25-30.

 

[GT619]

Come on down Errol Gulden

Cal reads bigfooty doesn't he

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

This was my thinking:

2 + Chesser
for
TDK pick (or Sydney's 2025 1st) + Acres + McGovern + Carlton 2026 2nd

That values Acres and McGovern combined as about pick 25-30.

I'd be getting a clean up crew arranged for the Chernobyl level meltdowns in WA if they accepted that deal.

Either way, if we end up with Pick 2 + Dean + Ison this year I'd be pretty stoked.

 

[Jimmae]

I'd be getting a clean up crew arranged for the Chernobyl level meltdowns in WA if they accepted that deal.

And Sydney sending them a player. I think it could work out well for them come 2027.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

This was my thinking:

2 + Chesser
for
TDK pick (or Sydney's 2025 1st) + Acres + McGovern + Carlton 2026 2nd

That values Acres and McGovern combined as about pick 25-30.

Do ya reckon they'd add pick #1 to us as well if we threw in Binns, Lij and Fogarty?

 

[morningbrown]

Guns don’t get traded for guns. Just put that dream to bed re: Charlie.

 

[Skull Face]

Agree, if they gave us (as picks currently stand before any bids)
Pick 9
Pick 28
2026 First (likely around Pick 10-12?)
Florent or McInerney or Rowbottom or Campbell

And we give
Charlie
Pick 45

We end up with (this year)
Pick 9
Pick 10
Pick 28
Pick 29 (SOS compo second round)
Pick 37
Florent or McInerney or Rowbottom or Campbell
from losing TDK, SOS and Charlie

Add Pick 11 next year from Swans plus our current 2026 first rounder for a Walker bid.

I say that's an incredibly strong position, and not unrealistic to think that's where we might land with the Swans.

How Geelong can even think they have leverage at the moment when the Swans have all of that to give up is beyond me.

 

[tarczonandjane]

Club has made it quite clear that they're targeting an A-grade talent in return for Charlie.

None of those guys are A-graders.

They need to find a way to facilitate a trade to get us what our club perceives to be an A-grader.

Charlie is not a player you settle on a trade for.

I love your work, Wickz. But nowhere public has the club made it clear they are targeting an A Grade talent for Charles. The only thing they have made clear is they are not trading him.

Behind closed doors is obviously different. But in no sense do I feel I have been given any expectations from the club on what they might or might not trade Charlie for.

 

[Coona Blues]

9, F1, Campbell, Rowbottom….where do I sign?

No to Rowbottom, quality player, but joins a logjam of inside types. Would be better served with young Dattoli if the Swans were offering two players. Florent an option, better player than most here give him credit for, however if they are losing McInerney, it may return Florent to their top team.

Many posters here undersell the importance of banking a future first before next year’s draft to ensure we get Cody Walker. The “steak knives” are nowhere near as important as those picks.

Absolutely know what a fit and focussed Curnow brings to the table, but two first rounders offers us so very much with Cody to match and compromised drafts on the horizon. May be some quibbling over players available, but we won’t pass up those picks for a petulant want away player.

 

[Foucault1989]

The way I look at it, the generational superstar we could secure through the Curnow trade is Walker. We really need future 1sts to get him

 

[Soapy V]

We won't be going to draft with TDK pick