List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[eaglevision]

I've contemplated the idea of an Archer Reid/Cooper Duff-Tyler ruck tandem - two tall utilities who can play across all three lines and always contribute something outside of stoppages.

It's an interesting idea, but experimental. And I don't think we are in a position to experiment yet. Just need to get a genuine infusion of blue-chip talent into the side.

If we take CDT this is exactly what I’d expect over the medium-long term. Archer primary ruck with CDT taking taps in forward half or back half depending where he is playing.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

If you abandon the ruck position

We've done this since Nic died

 

[TOA.]

This is the only reason you would draft CDT. If you abandon the ruck position and are just playing him as an extra midfielder.

Essentially what Dogs do with English. Its not a disaster but you'd obviously prefer someone to be strong in the ruck.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Lock in CDT as a tall defender at AFL level. After a trial and failure in other positions.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

So CDT wasn't in the top 10 for either of the jumping tests?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Essentially what Dogs do with English. Its not a disaster but you'd obviously prefer someone to be strong in the ruck.

Except English is 208cm and overcomes his lack of jumping prowess with his height. CDT is 200cm.

 

[ghostbat12]

Could he be a defender? He gets to the ball well.

sure. but at pick 2, you don't speculate.

 

[Elite Pete]

 

[Carbine Chaos]

There's just too many question marks over CDT at this stage for me to feel confident in drafting him.

Doesn't seem tall/strong enough nor good enough with regards to ruckwork. Doesn't seem capable enough clunking marks.

Seems agile and good on the deck, but what's his AFL position?

Can anyone assuage these doubts or is he an avoid at this stage?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

There's just too many question marks over CDT at this stage for me to feel confident in drafting him.

Doesn't seem tall/strong enough nor good enough with regards to ruckwork. Doesn't seem capable enough clunking marks.

Seems agile and good on the deck, but what's his AFL position?

Can anyone assuage these doubts or is he an avoid at this stage?

There are plenty here who have been sucked in by the Vic media narrative despite the fact he wasn't head and shoulders above other U18 ruckmen, nor can he jump.

I think they've reverted to "he's fast!"

 

[InTheWings]

A late starter, Sullivan Robey's Talent League debut came in round 12 against the Power, and though Eastern lost the game and Robey looked a little tentative at times, there were enough moments of power and quality to hint at his surge up the draft ranks through the second half of the season.

Kicks well on both feet, which is a great sign of talent plus determination.

 

[TOA.]

Except English is 208cm and overcomes his lack of jumping prowess with his height. CDT is 200cm.

Agree but my point stands - he still gets thumped in the ruck as he's not competitive but it doesnt really matter as he brings upside around the ground. Its not ideal. It guess the new ruck rule suits the more athletic rucks and also the last possession rule will presumably mean less throws in will occur.

 

[eaglevision]

Agree but my point stands - he still gets thumped in the ruck as he's not competitive but it doesnt really matter as he brings upside around the ground.

WCE will view both Duursma and CDT primarily as midfielders that have the versatility to play other roles such as wing and ruck.

There is no other logical reason to select them at 1 and 2.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Agree but my point stands - he still gets thumped in the ruck as he's not competitive but it doesnt really matter as he brings upside around the ground. Its not ideal. It guess the new ruck rule suits the more athletic rucks and also the last possession rule will presumably mean less throws in will occur.

English only get thumped in the ruck at centre bounces downs BC he isn't allowed to jump, BC the AFL prioritised big boofhead lugs who could cross the line and out body on body. Walsh is going to stop that and allow more centre bounces ruck jumping.

 

[WCE777]

what do the talent gurus here think about Evans repeated injuries, are they a concern?
If he can get his body right he looks to be the elite line breaking outside player we lack.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

I don’t think it should surprise anyone that CDT wasn’t in the top 10 in the jumping tests

Outside of NN and Jackson, rucks are generally heavy and quite lumbering, why would they be able to jump very high? Can you imagine Gawn, Grundy, Xerri winning any long or high jump contests? I think people for some reason think that because their hand can reach the highest due to their height, they must automatically be able to jump the highest

I’m going to take a guess that there have been very few ruckman in the top 10 in previous years

 

[WCE777]

I think we all know the answer to that question.

Hence why I wouldn't be using pick 2 on him.

If we wanted a KPP early i would be taking Schubert before him.

And would forego CDT and take someone like Louis Emmett with a latter pick ( late first early second ) who will be a better ruck option but also can play as a KPP, he has done so already.

Emmett is a very under ratted player.

In the second round Sam Ainsworth is a player who I would think is excellent value.


But we need to gets some decent/quality mids onto the list ASAP.

Mids and more mids and 1 KPD player.

Duursma is an outside transition player, 193 already so is a tall wing with good athletic profile.

Sharp is the inside beast we need, 188 and very well built and the best contested mid for 2 years, JTS.

Cumming is the next best performed mid and a balanced mid with good inside and outside talent, 186 and can go forward and kick a goal.

In the 1st round there isn't much else as far as performed mids that either are outside players or had inconsistent years.
Farrow is probably the only HB that might transition into the midfield in time and here we are drafting HB's with midfield potential.

So closing in on the draft we have a small amount of top end mids and if we are trying to push up the order with some picks, GC 7 then we probably have Cumming or Schubert as a KP player around that spot who we could turn into an elite marking KPD if that were we want him.

So its basically Duursma, Sharp, Cumming as 2 mids and an outside player in Duursma.
Sell Duursma to the highest bidder and take Sharp, Cumming, Schubert at 2, 5, 6 and maybe another player like Farrow with some upgrades of picks.

 

[eaglevision]

AFL Draft Combine 2025: The biggest takeaways from the weekend

Sixty-nine of the best junior talents around the country converged on Melbourne for combine testing as we approach November's AFL Draft. These are the four big takeaways from the weekend.

www.espn.com.au

Published a little earlier but has been added to. A lot of WCE discussion on Duursma and Sharp. If he gets to 7 and we have the pick that's a huge win.

 

[Jukes]

AFL Draft Combine 2025: The biggest takeaways from the weekend

Sixty-nine of the best junior talents around the country converged on Melbourne for combine testing as we approach November's AFL Draft. These are the four big takeaways from the weekend.

www.espn.com.au

Published a little earlier but has been added to. A lot of WCE discussion on Duursma and Sharp. If he gets to 7 and we have the pick that's a huge win.

Feels like Sharp will get past Richmond’s picks as well based on their List Manager’s interview. In response to a question about Malcolm Rosas Jnr, he said their focus was getting speed on their list (not necessarily a small forward). Seems to fit with the narrative that they’re into Grij and willing to split their picks as well. Wonder if Dovaston is also on their radar.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

AFL Draft Combine 2025: The biggest takeaways from the weekend

Sixty-nine of the best junior talents around the country converged on Melbourne for combine testing as we approach November's AFL Draft. These are the four big takeaways from the weekend.

www.espn.com.au

Published a little earlier but has been added to. A lot of WCE discussion on Duursma and Sharp. If he gets to 7 and we have the pick that's a huge win.

Don't mind us picking up Sharp, as long we pick up another quicker genuine midfielder in addition to him.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

what do the talent gurus here think about Evans repeated injuries, are they a concern?
If he can get his body right he looks to be the elite line breaking outside player we lack.

Sorry WCE777 Koby is not outside he is a inside primary that gets to outside well
He is one touch, powerful quick mid that is very good at the groundball
Something our current mids are not great at
He can play as a resting half forward as well

 

[mitchzz]

I also saw on a YouTube video by Dylan Alexander the following times for the 20m sprint:

3.1 - Lindsay
3.11 - Dalton
3.13 - Annable
3.17 - Fred
3.32 - Schubert

 

[TheBudgies]

Don't mind us picking up Sharp, as long we pick up another quicker genuine midfielder in addition to him.

Feel the value of Sharp is that he allows other mids to use their speed. Has a good first step then distributes. Harley, Hewett, Brockman, Gross, McCarthy, Baker, Hutchinson, Duursma are all pretty quick in space. So CBAs where Sharp is with those guys his potential lack of pace shouldn't be as big an issue as people seem to suggest.

Watching his tape it doesnt stand out tbh, he covers the ground well and has burst at the contest. He doesnt break lines but i feel like that's like judging a fish by their ability to climb a tree.

 

[Godfather32]

I don’t think it should surprise anyone that CDT wasn’t in the top 10 in the jumping tests

Outside of NN and Jackson, rucks are generally heavy and quite lumbering, why would they be able to jump very high? Can you imagine Gawn, Grundy, Xerri winning any long or high jump contests? I think people for some reason think that because their hand can reach the highest due to their height, they must automatically be able to jump the highest

I’m going to take a guess that there have been very few ruckman in the top 10 in previous years

People were keen to see his jumping ability because he's short for a ruck and many were wondering if this could be overcome by his leap.
He's never going to be a good AFL ruckman imo.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Of all the players available, Sharp is the one I’d like the most, also keen on Cody Curtin, just a big unit who’s got a beautiful long kick and excellent aerobic capacity, might still grow a bit too. He’ll be a monster in 5 years.
Hopefully Reid can develop into a ruckman, as he’s not a great set shot.