List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Ok firstly Badge, you've left Clay Hall off this list. Thats a bit too obvious now, come on.

Secondly XON and Parto were both pick 28, Burgiel pick 29 so bad examples really. Otherwise you probably left off Ainsworth off this list as well as a big swing and a miss, given how we used him.

Venables, Chesser & Brander clear misses

Barnett selection was totally sensible though, that wasn't a reach at all and any club would've soon drafted him if we didn't. He just developed into a potate unfortunately

It’s not missing on a single pick in the 20s, it’s missing on every one for several years in a row. Like here are some players picked in the 20s and 30s across some drafts:

2013: Jarman Impey, Darcy Gardiner, Matt Crouch, Dan McStay, Zach Merrett, Sean Lemmens, Lewis Taylor, Rory Lobb, George Hewett, Tom Cutler, Nick Robertson, Toby Nankervis, Alex Pearce

2014: Jayden Laverne, Dan McKenzie, Jack Steele, Toby McLean, Touk Miller, Brayden Maynard, Daniel Howe, Connor Blakely, Alex Neal-Bullen

2015: Brayden Fiorini, Ben McKay, David Cunningham, Ben Keays, Josh Dunkley, Darcy Tucker, Mason Redman, Ryan Clarke, Riley Bonner, Rhys Mathieson, Tom Cole


Now there were lots of busts, but there are a lot of guys in those lists who are still playing AFL now, and quite a few players who range from very good to superstar level.

And yes we did get Tom Cole out of that time, but our other picks in the 20-39 range those years? Malcolm Karpany, Tom Lamb, Luke Partington. Complete non-factors. Completely whiffing on most of your picks for several years in a row is how you end up an AFL bottom-feeder.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

It’s not missing on a single pick in the 20s, it’s missing on every one for several years in a row. Like here are some players picked in the 20s and 30s across some drafts:

2013: Jarman Impey, Darcy Gardiner, Matt Crouch, Dan McStay, Zach Merrett, Sean Lemmens, Lewis Taylor, Rory Lobb, George Hewett, Tom Cutler, Nick Robertson, Toby Nankervis, Alex Pearce

2014: Jayden Laverne, Dan McKenzie, Jack Steele, Toby McLean, Touk Miller, Brayden Maynard, Daniel Howe, Connor Blakely, Alex Neal-Bullen

2015: Brayden Fiorini, Ben McKay, David Cunningham, Ben Keays, Josh Dunkley, Darcy Tucker, Mason Redman, Ryan Clarke, Riley Bonner, Rhys Mathieson, Tom Cole


Now there were lots of busts, but there are a lot of guys in those lists who are still playing AFL now, and quite a few players who range from very good to superstar level.

And yes we did get Tom Cole out of that time, but our other picks in the 20-39 range those years? Malcolm Karpany, Tom Lamb, Luke Partington. Complete non-factors. Completely whiffing on most of your picks for several years in a row is how you end up an AFL bottom-feeder.

Four picks in that range in three years is a very small sample size.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

Agree this trade period has been OK.

Would have liked a decent clearance mid or ruck, which doesn’t seem to be happening.

My other concern (especially, if GC give up 7 and 8) is the opportunity to trade 13 up will not exist. Meaning the only way to generate 3 top 10 picks is to split 2. In this case I would rather retain 13 and take 4 picks, than throw it into the split deal.

* I know we don’t have the spots for this (would have to delist somebody).

 

[boondy]

I'd be interested to find out the name of one poster who thinks Clarke is the greatest list manager of all time, never mind one for every melter.

He has taken over from the worst , its already better

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Name one.

There was quite a bit of it. I have some saved. But I'm not going to post it. Because it will move the discussion away from footy and it will quickly get tiresome.

 

[Keys]

Starcevich effectively cost us our priority pick that was AFL built to be forwarded to Brisbane. Clarke navigated that without jeopardising the pick 2 FA compensation for Allen which was the real prize. The rest of the pick swaps balanced each other out but moving the Hawthorn R1 pick up 4 places should be considered a small win

A tricky situation handled well enough

The Ryan and Chesser trades were probably slight unders. Whilst it’s a low value pick it would have been nice to retain our FF3 we sent to St Kilda. Likewise, a little sweetener, like a 2027 R3 pick from Carlton, added to pick 41 would have been handy in balancing that trade a little our way

Not massively unders but had we pushed a little harder we might be holding two R3 picks in 2027 (ours and Carlton’s) instead of none like we do.

It’s this type of loss on the margins that I guess some posters find frustrating whilst others tend to look at it as part of an intangible benefit of building a reputation for getting deals done. Personally, I tend to fall in the latter camp

Early next week, we’ll see what we hand over for Tylar Young - pick 41 seems thereabouts but it’d be nice to see something little coming back our way - that’d give him a small win to balance the other two marginal losses. Richmond’s FF3 would be a good leveller of the trade period as a whole

In summary, I think you can conclude Clarke has simply done his job the way a competent list manager should have. Hasn’t nailed it as such, but nor has he stuffed it either

A low bar for sure, but given recent years and further back, it’s a bit of a win and a step in the right direction as this current administration tries to rebuild a club that looks similar to current day Gaza

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

https://archive.is/ZPFjA

Unlocked link. Good article and agree as a free swing worth it imo. Has the talent

Good article and really puts in perspective what he’s been going through.

Biggest issue for me with the “free swing” is the question mark over how he’d go in another state away from his family and support network.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

A low bar for sure, but given recent years and further back, it’s a bit of a win and a step in the right direction as this current administration tries to rebuild a club that looks similar to current day Gaza

Hopefully we can turn this club around from the current day Gaza of the AFL, to the Riviera of the AFL

 

[Monocle]

Good article and really puts in perspective what he’s been going through.

Biggest issue for me with the “free swing” is the question mark over how he’d go in another state away from his family and support network.

Agree as I think he is going to need a lot of TLC and mentoring and welfare.

Would take up a bit of our soft cap, now that in itself is not a reason I would veto picking him up.

However we would need to be doing so in the knowledge that, he will require a lot of close mentoring, monitoring and for want of a better term "pastoral care".

One of those very high risk and high reward situations.

Are we as a Club ready and equip for that, I am not so sure and therefore it would be a pass for me.

 

[EagleMan87]

There was quite a bit of it. I have some saved. But I'm not going to post it. Because it will move the discussion away from footy and it will quickly get tiresome.

If someone's said Clarke has been 'great' since joining us, I haven't seen it.

But fine; what would you like West Coast to try to accomplish during the remainder of the trade period?

 

[WCE777]

Starcevich effectively cost us our priority pick that was AFL built to be forwarded to Brisbane. Clarke navigated that without jeopardising the pick 2 FA compensation for Allen which was the real prize. The rest of the pick swaps balanced each other out but moving the Hawthorn R1 pick up 4 places should be considered a small win

A tricky situation handled well enough

The Ryan and Chesser trades were probably slight unders. Whilst it’s a low value pick it would have been nice to retain our FF3 we sent to St Kilda. Likewise, a little sweetener, like a 2027 R3 pick from Carlton, added to pick 41 would have been handy in balancing that trade a little our way

Not massively unders but had we pushed a little harder we might be holding two R3 picks in 2027 (ours and Carlton’s) instead of none like we do.

It’s this type of loss on the margins that I guess some posters find frustrating whilst others tend to look at it as part of an intangible benefit of building a reputation for getting deals done. Personally, I tend to fall in the latter camp

Early next week, we’ll see what we hand over for Tylar Young - pick 41 seems thereabouts but it’d be nice to see something little coming back our way - that’d give him a small win to balance the other two marginal losses. Richmond’s FF3 would be a good leveller of the trade period as a whole

In summary, I think you can conclude Clarke has simply done his job the way a competent list manager should have. Hasn’t nailed it as such, but nor has he stuffed it either

A low bar for sure, but given recent years and further back, it’s a bit of a win and a step in the right direction as this current administration tries to rebuild a club that looks similar to current day Gaza

Brilliantly said again.
I for 1 will be waiting until our trade and draft period are over before giving a strong opinion either way on Clarke.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

If someone's said Clarke has been 'great' since joining us, I haven't seen it.

But fine; what would you like West Coast to try to accomplish during the remainder of the trade period?

I think a lot of supporters are just sick and tired of not enjoying their football team play because of how bad we are. And so they want a quick and easy fix to make us competitive again and we put unrealistic expectations on what can be achieved in trade week and hope that can be the fix.

 

[timeforanother22]

I definitely hope we dont give a futures pick for Young and out of these picks Round 2: 34, 38, 41, Round 3: 53, 58, I hope its 41 or later.
Guaranteed Tigers will be after 34, or if greedy, more than that.

Realistically, hes probably worth 34 to us but just hope we barter a worse pick to them.

Or if they ask too much, Leek Aleer?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Seen this on FB.

"With the Essendon Board now being involved on agreeing to a Merrett Trade here is a scenario that get Hawthorn and Essendon what they want, with a 3rd club also benefiting..

Essendon get: Pick 1 (WC), Henry Hustwaite and 2026 second round pick (Haw)
Hawthorn Get: Zach Merrett
West Coast Get: Picks 5 & 6 (Ess) and Pick 9 (Haw)

Essendon get a young gun mid plus Pick 1, Hawthorn get their man and West Coast load up on 3 first (as well as holding their Pick 2 still) which they can use to get in experience or get young draftees before Tassie come in

Who says no?"

Are we trading 1 for 5 6 9?

 

[darksquare]

Seen this on FB.

"With the Essendon Board now being involved on agreeing to a Merrett Trade here is a scenario that get Hawthorn and Essendon what they want, with a 3rd club also benefiting..

Essendon get: Pick 1 (WC), Henry Hustwaite and 2026 second round pick (Haw)
Hawthorn Get: Zach Merrett
West Coast Get: Picks 5 & 6 (Ess) and Pick 9 (Haw)

Essendon get a young gun mid plus Pick 1, Hawthorn get their man and West Coast load up on 3 first (as well as holding their Pick 2 still) which they can use to get in experience or get young draftees before Tassie come in

Who says no?"

Are we trading 1 for 5 6 9?

That doesn’t seem like a great deal for Essendon. They’re giving up Merrett, as well as picks 5 and 6?

 

[boondy]

I think a lot of supporters are just sick and tired of not enjoying their football team play because of how bad we are. And so they want a quick and easy fix to make us competitive again and we put unrealistic expectations on what can be achieved in trade week and hope that can be the fix.

Great post . The teams at the top of the ladder's list managers can be ruthless at trade time .like a rich tyrant They have the collateral in their list . They have a "Never give a mug an even break " attitide. Those of us at the bottom have a large number of fans with a poor bugga me attitude , especially when things are not fair , equal . Its a tough gig being a football supporter at times

 

[bzparkes]

Seen this on FB.

"With the Essendon Board now being involved on agreeing to a Merrett Trade here is a scenario that get Hawthorn and Essendon what they want, with a 3rd club also benefiting..

Essendon get: Pick 1 (WC), Henry Hustwaite and 2026 second round pick (Haw)
Hawthorn Get: Zach Merrett
West Coast Get: Picks 5 & 6 (Ess) and Pick 9 (Haw)

Essendon get a young gun mid plus Pick 1, Hawthorn get their man and West Coast load up on 3 first (as well as holding their Pick 2 still) which they can use to get in experience or get young draftees before Tassie come in

Who says no?"

Are we trading 1 for 5 6 9?

Nope, considering we're only taking 3 live picks(others will be used on Williams/Banfield). What do we then do with pick 2?

Whoever posted this clearly didn't account for list spots.

 

[Proeagle]

Or if they ask too much, Leek Aleer?

I dont think we will do a St Kilda and not take Young.

 

[Cuzz09]

hope it turns soon. there's a generation of little turds who think we've been shit forever and how are we still in the comp.

Prob how I felt about Syd, Fitzroy and Brissy in the early 90s

Would love a Ron Barassi style 1996 Swans story lol

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Good article and really puts in perspective what he’s been going through.

Biggest issue for me with the “free swing” is the question mark over how he’d go in another state away from his family and support network.

Agree as I think he is going to need a lot of TLC and mentoring and welfare.

Would take up a bit of our soft cap, now that in itself is not a reason I would veto picking him up.

However we would need to be doing so in the knowledge that, he will require a lot of close mentoring, monitoring and for want of a better term "pastoral care".

One of those very high risk and high reward situations.

Are we as a Club ready and equip for that, I am not so sure and therefore it would be a pass for me.

Conversely, getting away from his home state and the status quo could be the best thing for him. Very dependent on the person, but a big change could be what he needs.

Arriving at a club that's mostly youth, but with some strong leaders and mentors around him like Shuey, Bunga, Mini, Harry Taylor and Mitch Duncan. The excitement of being apart of a plucky young up and comers (here's hoping). Beautiful beaches, camping, off-roading, fishing, all that good stuff. Amazing weather.

Someone at the club would have to put the work into finding out whether he might respond positively to all of these changes, but his talent alone tells me it's worth a very good look.

 

[Rowan18]

Starcevich effectively cost us our priority pick that was AFL built to be forwarded to Brisbane. Clarke navigated that without jeopardising the pick 2 FA compensation for Allen which was the real prize. The rest of the pick swaps balanced each other out but moving the Hawthorn R1 pick up 4 places should be considered a small win

A tricky situation handled well enough

The Ryan and Chesser trades were probably slight unders. Whilst it’s a low value pick it would have been nice to retain our FF3 we sent to St Kilda. Likewise, a little sweetener, like a 2027 R3 pick from Carlton, added to pick 41 would have been handy in balancing that trade a little our way

Not massively unders but had we pushed a little harder we might be holding two R3 picks in 2027 (ours and Carlton’s) instead of none like we do.

It’s this type of loss on the margins that I guess some posters find frustrating whilst others tend to look at it as part of an intangible benefit of building a reputation for getting deals done. Personally, I tend to fall in the latter camp

Early next week, we’ll see what we hand over for Tylar Young - pick 41 seems thereabouts but it’d be nice to see something little coming back our way - that’d give him a small win to balance the other two marginal losses. Richmond’s FF3 would be a good leveller of the trade period as a whole

In summary, I think you can conclude Clarke has simply done his job the way a competent list manager should have. Hasn’t nailed it as such, but nor has he stuffed it either

A low bar for sure, but given recent years and further back, it’s a bit of a win and a step in the right direction as this current administration tries to rebuild a club that looks similar to current day Gaza

I work in the commercial space and we discuss this philosophy all the time - is it better to try and absolutely crush a deal everytime (but risk a bad reputation and therefore missing completely when it doesn't happen) or consistently achieve 80% of your best possible outcome. I prefer the latter and I think that Geelong and Hawthorn this trade period are showing why trying to screw people each time has limitations.

No-one really wants to deal with them, Carlton just laughed at Cats' pathetic attempts to get Curnow, St Kilda told them to get lost and Hawks have failed on most of their midfield targets (and are currently clinging onto a hail mary with Merrett).

 

[Elite Pete]

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CLUBS CONTINUE TO GO PICK HUNTING​

WEST Coast, the Western Bulldogs, Essendon and Collingwood are among the clubs continuing to hunt for ways to get up the draft board, while a number of others are searching for future picks as they look ahead to 2026.

The Eagles have amassed a handy suite of selections to potentially jump up the board, hauling in picks No.13, 34, 38, 41, 53 and 58 in deals across the Trade Period's first week to complement their No.1 and No.2 selections.

The Bulldogs have picks No.12 and 33 and like West Coast have been linked to a move for Gold Coast's No.7 pick, although that selection could now be tied into any Christian Petracca trade with Melbourne across the next four days.

Essendon has reached out to both West Coast and Richmond for ways to get higher up the board with its No.5, 6, 21, 27 and 30 selections, with list boss Matt Rosa telling Gettable last week the club had interest in packaging picks to get to the prized No.1 spot last week.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

Nope, considering we're only taking 3 live picks (others will be used on Williams/Banfield). What do we then do with pick 2?

Whoever posted this clearly didn't account for list spots.

Are we? Has this been confirmed by the club or just your opinion.

Surely, if the chance presents to take 3 top 10s and pick 13. We would just delist a player (e.g. Barnett)

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

THis has been a crap trade period. Dont pretend otherwise

We still have no ruck and are stuck with Deven Robertson

40

Deven Robertson

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

a delisted player as our midfield saviour all while losing Liam Ryan

31

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

and Campbell Chesser unexpectedly too

Shocker

 

[txbyhull]

THis has been a crap trade period. Dont pretend otherwise

We still have no ruck and are stuck with Deven Robertson a delisted player as our midfield saviour all while losing Liam Ryan and Campbell Chesser unexpectedly too

Shocker

Find me a ruck willing to move over west to play for the worst team in the league that’s not either just as crap as what we’ve got, ancient, or going to cost an arm and leg