List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I can see Carlton selling out of both picks 9 and 11 - one for significant overs and one for a F1 pick. The Blues would have 3 x F1 temporarily.

Then after the Dean pick they sell a future to Dogs.

I suspect the Dogs will want 2 x F1 picks to go on offer for Butters.

 

[MrAsh7777]

I can see Carlton selling out of both picks 9 and 11 - one for significant overs and one for a F1 pick. The Blues would have 3 x F1 temporarily.

Then after the Dean pick they sell a future to Dogs.

I suspect the Dogs will want 2 x F1 picks to go on offer for Butters.

Butters will be RFA, so may not need to trade

 

[eaglevision]

Butters will be RFA, so may not need to trade

Port will match any offer made for him.

 

[Cuzz09]

Hurry up draft lol

 

[southcoast]

[Edit ]Wow poster above beat me to it

If we offer 13 + 34 (1440)its points value is more than pick 9 (1355) so carlton should trade .
Anyway if trade is blocked and we do bid on Dean it effectively removes pick 9 out of the way and our pick 13 is like pick 12 unless Carlton trade it to someone else .

I suspect we may be reluctant to 'give up' 34, even in a swap such as your suggesting, as we may 'need' it to match Banfield and/or NGA early bids.

Draft team probably doing all sorts of scenario games in period leading up to draft night/s

 

[rfarlz]

I suspect we may be reluctant to 'give up' 34, even in a swap such as your suggesting, as we may 'need' it to match Banfield and/or NGA early bids.

Draft team probably doing all sorts of scenario games in period leading up to draft night/s

If we bid aggressively on Uwland/Annable/Patterson our later picks will become a lot more valuable, which will help a lot with matching bids and trading to improve pick 13. We really need to make as many main list spots as possible so we can carry those picks into the draft though, delisting Cripps (to pick him back in the rookie draft) is a no-brainer, hopefully we do the same for Barnett and Johnston as well.

 

[squashface]

Hurry up draft lol

Less than 4 weeks to go of circular CDT and Sharp arguments!

 

[Proeagle]

If we bid aggressively on Uwland/Annable/Patterson our later picks will become a lot more valuable, which will help a lot with matching bids and trading to improve pick 13. We really need to make as many main list spots as possible so we can carry those picks into the draft though, delisting Cripps (to pick him back in the rookie draft) is a no-brainer, hopefully we do the same for Barnett and Johnston as well.

Wouldnt it be a real shame if we didnt have a list spot to redraft Cripps again.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

If we bid aggressively on Uwland/Annable/Patterson our later picks will become a lot more valuable, which will help a lot with matching bids and trading to improve pick 13. We really need to make as many main list spots as possible so we can carry those picks into the draft though, delisting Cripps (to pick him back in the rookie draft) is a no-brainer, hopefully we do the same for Barnett and Johnston as well.

I'm starting to have doubts that we'll be clever enough to clear some list spots this week since we've left it so late.
It's a tactic we used a lot more in the past. Even often re-drafting out of contract players.
Cripps still not re-signed with only a week to go gives some hope that it may still happen.
Will be anxiously waiting for list changes news to drop this week.
Despite all the retirements and trades, etc, it's insane that a team that only won 1 game for the season has only delisted 3 players.

 

[Keys]

Put together the following list of DFAs we either already have or could/should talk to as potential rookie list additions in order from oldest to youngest:

19/11/92- David Swallow

24

David Swallow

Age

33

Ht

186cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.1

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

4.4

5star

MG

307.5

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

7.3

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

4.6

5star

MG

283.9

4star

D

19.4

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

5.0

5star

(185cm, 249 games)
31/05/93- Tom Mitchell (182cm, 207 games)
21/02/01- Harry Schoenberg (180cm, 62 games)
01/05/01- Tom Berry (185cm, 43 games)
13/03/02- Fin Macrae (186cm, 21 games)
25/04/02- Elijah Hollands (189cm, 41 games)
22/05/02- Will Phillips (180cm, 50 games)
16/09/03- Ben Hobbs (183cm, 65 games)
06/09/04- Ted Clohesy (184cm, 12 games)
29/10/04- Jaxon Binns (183cm, 8 games)
28/03/05- Luamon Lual (181cm, 12 games)
26/10/05- Oskar Smartt (180cm, 4 games)

As you’d expect from a group of delisted players, it’s not a particularly inspiring list but when you’re looking to fill the final few spots on an extended list of 48 that’s what’s going to be left

With Robertson already guaranteed a contract, we have a total of 8 list spots to fill which could become 9 if Livingstone doesn’t get extended next week.

With our first 3-4 draft picks plus NGA and F/S additions 6-7 of those vacant spots will be filled across the primary and rookie drafts - which will leave two spots to be filled post draft via a train on process from the DFA pile or possibly mature aged state league players.

From that list, Hollands has the highest probability of becoming a regular AFL player and at 23 is in the right age demographic. Unfortunately he comes with significant off field baggage that saw Carlton delist him with a year remaining on his contract. He also seems determined to set things right with Carlton and will be granted a train on spot to earn back lost trust. So I don’t think he’ll be someone the club considers

Lual and Clohesy are at the younger end of the list but probably also gives them the highest scope for improvement. We’ve already reportedly approached Clohesy but I’m unaware if we’ve reached out to Lual who I must say seemed a bit of a surprise delisting. Binns and Smartt I don’t know much about although I think eaglespremiers is a Smartt fan and I value his judgment

The group in the middle of Berry, Schoenberg, Macrae, Phillips and Hobbs have shown themselves to be fringe AFL players only with limitations to their respective games. It’s unlikely any of them will suddenly transform themselves into regular best 23 players but they would each provide a mature body to help the WAFL side and competition for a place in the seniors. They’ve all at least shown a capacity to contribute at AFL level

Leaves Tom Mitchell (forget Swallow he’s proper cooked and about to turn 33). My first, and probably correct, thought was he’s too slow, a bit too old, a bit too injury prone and the type of player that doesn’t fit either McQualter’s game plan or, more broadly, the direction the game is moving in. We didn’t consider Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

as an option for what I suspect were similar reasons

But after listening to his interview on SEN with Gossage my views changed a bit. Clearly he’s motivated to prove he still can play at AFL level so you’re going to get someone who’s totally committed and he’s set high standards across his career. He’s played at three successful clubs (although Hawthorn struggled a bit during his time there) and won himself a Brownlow along the way

Having an experienced player like Mitchell at the coalface giving support to our young mids at the Beagles would instantly make that side more competitive. As well as being a virtual onfield assistant coach giving them direction and education. His presence around the club with training standards and leadership would be invaluable

We would be giving a list spot to someone who’s probably not going to be playing much at AFL level and who’s best football is clearly behind him. But if we bring him across on the understanding that opportunities at AFL level will be limited then he’s worth considering at least. I think he’d offer more as an overall package than those other mid aged players

If we brought in Mitchell and Clohesy or Lual I wouldn’t be unhappy

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I genuinely hope we don't promise any other DFA's a rookie spot like Dev until after the draft, so we know exactly how many spots are remaining and they can go through the process of being a train on player and prove their worth.

 

[Monocle]

13/03/02- Fin Macrae (186cm, 21 games)
25/04/02- Elijah Hollands (189cm, 41 games)
06/09/04- Ted Clohesy (184cm, 12 games)
28/03/05- Luamon Lual (181cm, 12 games)

I dont think that we would go Hollands but what a talent, pity he hasn't been able to get his off field stuff sorted out.

Clohesy would be a good get.

 

[MrAsh7777]

AFL Mock Draft: Picks 1-23 (second edition)

Matched bids, live trading and PLENTY of surprises in our latest Mock Draft!

www.zerohanger.com

Zero Hanger has CDT sliding to Pick 13 and Eagles taking Duursma, Robey & Farrow. Would be happy if this was our haul.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

AFL Mock Draft: Picks 1-23 (second edition)

Matched bids, live trading and PLENTY of surprises in our latest Mock Draft!

www.zerohanger.com

Zero Hanger has CDT sliding to Pick 13 and Eagles taking Duursma, Robey & Farrow. Would be very happy if this was our haul.

With Dovaston going the pick after Farrow. Travesty.

 

[BSD]

Wouldnt it be a real shame if we didnt have a list spot to redraft Cripps again.

Actually it would. because he is still in our best 23 no matter what you and others stupidly think.

 

[Barrybran]

AFL Mock Draft: Picks 1-23 (second edition)

Matched bids, live trading and PLENTY of surprises in our latest Mock Draft!

www.zerohanger.com

Zero Hanger has CDT sliding to Pick 13 and Eagles taking Duursma, Robey & Farrow. Would be very happy if this was our haul.

That website is terrible. Is there a simple 1-however many somewhere without having to click through EVERY page?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

With Dovaston going the pick after Farrow. Travesty.

Yeop. IMO Doverston is the draft bolter in draft night. I can see dees taking him along with a tall. Kids a gun.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

If we end up taking CDT in the draft then we probably want to get on the front foot and trade out BW next year. I expect club's will be stingier about trading out picks in 2027 and 2028 in the compromised drafts. It will be hard to get value trading players for picks. So maybe look to trade him out next year.

Tasmania.

 

[Peptide Pig]

Put together the following list of DFAs we either already have or could/should talk to as potential rookie list additions in order from oldest to youngest:

19/11/92- David Swallow (185cm, 249 games)
31/05/93- Tom Mitchell (182cm, 207 games)
21/02/01- Harry Schoenberg (180cm, 62 games)
01/05/01- Tom Berry (185cm, 43 games)
13/03/02- Fin Macrae (186cm, 21 games)
25/04/02- Elijah Hollands (189cm, 41 games)
22/05/02- Will Phillips (180cm, 50 games)
16/09/03- Ben Hobbs (183cm, 65 games)
06/09/04- Ted Clohesy (184cm, 12 games)
29/10/04- Jaxon Binns (183cm, 8 games)
28/03/05- Luamon Lual (181cm, 12 games)
26/10/05- Oskar Smartt (180cm, 4 games)

As you’d expect from a group of delisted players, it’s not a particularly inspiring list but when you’re looking to fill the final few spots on an extended list of 48 that’s what’s going to be left

With Robertson already guaranteed a contract, we have a total of 8 list spots to fill which could become 9 if Livingstone doesn’t get extended next week.

With our first 3-4 draft picks plus NGA and F/S additions 6-7 of those vacant spots will be filled across the primary and rookie drafts - which will leave two spots to be filled post draft via a train on process from the DFA pile or possibly mature aged state league players.

From that list, Hollands has the highest probability of becoming a regular AFL player and at 23 is in the right age demographic. Unfortunately he comes with significant off field baggage that saw Carlton delist him with a year remaining on his contract. He also seems determined to set things right with Carlton and will be granted a train on spot to earn back lost trust. So I don’t think he’ll be someone the club considers

Lual and Clohesy are at the younger end of the list but probably also gives them the highest scope for improvement. We’ve already reportedly approached Clohesy but I’m unaware if we’ve reached out to Lual who I must say seemed a bit of a surprise delisting. Binns and Smartt I don’t know much about although I think eaglespremiers is a Smartt fan and I value his judgment

The group in the middle of Berry, Schoenberg, Macrae, Phillips and Hobbs have shown themselves to be fringe AFL players only with limitations to their respective games. It’s unlikely any of them will suddenly transform themselves into regular best 23 players but they would each provide a mature body to help the WAFL side and competition for a place in the seniors. They’ve all at least shown a capacity to contribute at AFL level

Leaves Tom Mitchell (forget Swallow he’s proper cooked and about to turn 33). My first, and probably correct, thought was he’s too slow, a bit too old, a bit too injury prone and the type of player that doesn’t fit either McQualter’s game plan or, more broadly, the direction the game is moving in. We didn’t consider Jack Steele as an option for what I suspect were similar reasons

But after listening to his interview on SEN with Gossage my views changed a bit. Clearly he’s motivated to prove he still can play at AFL level so you’re going to get someone who’s totally committed and he’s set high standards across his career. He’s played at three successful clubs (although Hawthorn struggled a bit during his time there) and won himself a Brownlow along the way

Having an experienced player like Mitchell at the coalface giving support to our young mids at the Beagles would instantly make that side more competitive. As well as being a virtual onfield assistant coach giving them direction and education. His presence around the club with training standards and leadership would be invaluable

We would be giving a list spot to someone who’s probably not going to be playing much at AFL level and who’s best football is clearly behind him. But if we bring him across on the understanding that opportunities at AFL level will be limited then he’s worth considering at least. I think he’d offer more as an overall package than those other mid aged players

If we brought in Mitchell and Clohesy or Lual I wouldn’t be unhappy

I was much the same after listening to Mitchell’s interview. He couldn’t have put his case forward much better.

My top 3 would be Mitchell, Hollands and Clohesy. Also like Blamires as untried option. Hollands may opt for a change of scenery if the offer was there.

Alternatively would be happy to pull the Greenwood/Knobel trick and pinch George Stevens who has been delisted by the Cats with the promise of being re-rookied.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Less than 4 weeks to go of circular CDT and Sharp arguments!

Thanks to Brizkent, we now have two identical threads to argue this in!

 

[Astro7]

Less than 4 weeks to go of circular CDT and Sharp arguments!

That's right, none of which (over 600 pages?) has any influence whatsoever on the outcome - quite the opposite, the outcome will result in mass-melts afterwards.
But the speculation and prediction game is certainly entertaining.
What will be, will be...

 

[Mattman93]

With Dovaston going the pick after Farrow. Travesty.

There's nothing surer than WCE directly overlooking a ground ball, forward of centre, stoppage-adept player for the opposite of that (eg Farrow).

Except maybe for GWS taking the best of the former candidates the pick directly before ours.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The game is a speed game now and players like Mitchell don’t really fit into what coaches like Mini are trying to do.
But and here is the kicker , it’s all well and good to say we need speed but those players need the ball in their hands and right now while these young mids are developing they need an extractor to get the ball to them. One player like Mitchell is not going to change how the side will play. He is going to help our development greatly and there is no way around speeding up player development if we don’t give them access to old heads and experience. If we can have Mitchell in that middle area teaching them they will develop much quicker. Our young mids are good enough yet, they need help big time. Not only is Mitchell the right type like others have said he will bring standards with him.
I will be very surprised if we don’t grab him to be honest.

 

[Keys]

Pretty much talked myself into wanting Mitchell

He would essentially be a development midfield/stoppage coach paid outside the soft cap (where we’re tight) because his pay is under the salary cap (where we’re not tight)

Don’t forget his old man was a well respected assistant coach in his day so there’s every possibility Tom might be the same. Bringing him across from Collingwood at the same time Mitch Duncan comes in from Geelong and Starcevich/Robertson from Brisbane gives us some high level IP from the three most recent premiers (Sydney are the only other side to play a GF in the last 4 years)

We also toyed with the idea of Duncan playing on so it’s not like having Mitchell would be a significant departure from that

It’s the 48th spot on the list. There are worse options

 

[FKASC]

Is there anything semi concrete linking us to any of these blokes? Or just BF posters convincing themselves that it’s happening?