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It's just a terrible time to take over. I guess they're hoping for teething problems on the opening of the Big Build projects so they can build her profile, but I would have thought Battin could have done that too?

What's more likely is that we're going to see the early stories of complaints driven by 3AW and the Herald Sun aimed at the boomers.

What do we think the attack on Metro is going to be?

$1.50 - "My train no longer goes direct to Flagstaff, I have to change trains and it's a huge pain, what a failure of a project".
$1.70 - "The carparks are full at 10am, so I can't get to the Crown Matinee show of the Patti Newton Tribute Band"
$1.80 - "They spent $10bn and look, this bit of paint is flaking off already."

I'm thinking they'll go a scatter-gun approach and just complain about everything. It's different for WGTP because 3AW and Hun won't say a bad word about Transurban.
 
Battin annoyed enough of his colleagues with his reshuffle, after his campaigning confirmed the worst fears of many of his colleagues, that he couldn't really talk about things other than crime. The coalition inside the parliamentary party that elected Ms Wilson looks fragile at best. This should never have been contemplated.

Ms Wilson is leader now and there are 12 months to the next election, but I already thought it was too late to change leaders, but conventional thinking is out the window.

This has very little to do with anything external to the parliamentary party, and very little to do with the polls. But it is worth noting that the last three Victorian Liberal leaders to get rolled, Michael O'Brien, John Pesutto and Brad Battin, were all leading in the polls on a two party preferred basis when they were removed as leader. Apply Occam's Razor to that and you get closer to the real reason why it keeps happening.

Who is the new leader in the Upper House again?
 

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kalex6251 said:
bev 'bernie finn' mcarthur ..... un*******believable
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Seriously? I generally give credit across the aisle where it is due, I don't agree with Joe McCracken on a few issues but he is a decent guy...but Bev, based on my interactions with her she genuinely has a screw loose. The only audience she panders to are retirees longing for the days of the white Australia policy.
 
I saw her in the picture of the article, so it seems like 'Stupid' is developing the policies now.

They were realistically not going to win this election, so Battin doing an honourable job this election then Wilson taking over and trying to win the next one would have been the smarter play.

Unless they think the ALP are going to balance the books during the next term of Government while they continue to build, and still don't finish SRL.

As long as they don't go too stupid at this election, you'd think 2030 they might have a real chance.
 



In July and August 2025, the Herald Sun published a series of articles about Sam Groth and Brittany Groth.
The Herald Sun did not intend to suggest and does not suggest that Mr and Mrs Groth have engaged in any wrongdoing.

The Herald Sun recognises that this story has taken a significant toll on the Groth family and apologises to the Groths for the hurt the articles caused.

timing interesting
 
dr bonham on this mornings herald $cum claim inspector plod was 'up' in the polls :think:

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Kevin Bonham (@kevinbonham.bsky.social)

So I saw something saying there was a shock poll in the Herald-Sun showing the Vic Liberals in an election winning position. My priors were 1. the article will be by James Campbell 2. it won't be a shock poll 3. the claim will not be true. All priors were confirmed!
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kalex6251 said:
dr bonham on this mornings herald $cum claim inspector plod was 'up' in the polls :think:

bsky.app

Kevin Bonham (@kevinbonham.bsky.social)

So I saw something saying there was a shock poll in the Herald-Sun showing the Vic Liberals in an election winning position. My priors were 1. the article will be by James Campbell 2. it won't be a shock poll 3. the claim will not be true. All priors were confirmed!
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This article that doesn't mention polling and is about internal machinations?

 
First words out of Jess Wilson's mouth this morning were to thank Sam Groth and Bev McArthur. A solid reminder of who supported her in rolling Battin and where her alliances are formed. The ALP will have broken out the popcorn this morning.

Wilson is going to have to tread water mighty hard to keep afloat with the concrete blocks tied to her feet, particularly in the form of McArthur, who is an absolute lunatic.
 
question for those in the know - does sam groth have any friends in the parliamentary party?

seems like he has pi$$ed off everyone .... and in record time
 

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The Punter said:
This article that doesn't mention polling and is about internal machinations?

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I don't particularly rate Campbell all that highly with respect to his own opinions, but there's no doubt he gets a lot of inside info from the Liberal Party. I imagine that it's pretty close to the mark as to how Wilson realised her ambition.
 
kalex6251 said:
question for those in the know - does sam groth have any friends in the parliamentary party?

seems like he has pi$$ed off everyone .... and in record time
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Apparently has enough friends - or at least Liberal MPs willing to vote for him - to win the deputy leader job over Southwick.
 
Dixie Flatline said:
I don't particularly rate Campbell all that highly with respect to his own opinions, but there's no doubt he gets a lot of inside info from the Liberal Party. I imagine that it's pretty close to the mark as to how Wilson realised her ambition.
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He has good sources in Labor Right as well, and he whacks our side of the aisle plenty - read his piece from the weekend on the Net Zero stuff.

He's also a mate.
 
The Punter said:
Battin annoyed enough of his colleagues with his reshuffle, after his campaigning confirmed the worst fears of many of his colleagues, that he couldn't really talk about things other than crime. The coalition inside the parliamentary party that elected Ms Wilson looks fragile at best. This should never have been contemplated.

Ms Wilson is leader now and there are 12 months to the next election, but I already thought it was too late to change leaders, but conventional thinking is out the window.

This has very little to do with anything external to the parliamentary party, and very little to do with the polls. But it is worth noting that the last three Victorian Liberal leaders to get rolled, Michael O'Brien, John Pesutto and Brad Battin, were all leading in the polls on a two party preferred basis when they were removed as leader. Apply Occam's Razor to that and you get closer to the real reason why it keeps happening.

Who is the new leader in the Upper House again?
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People might have forgotten Jeff retook the leadership in 1991, when he rolled Alan Brown. I think Brad Battin should have stayed leader until the next election, giving Jess time to build a profile as Treasury spokesperson.
 
The Punter said:
Ms Wilson is leader now and there are 12 months to the next election, but I already thought it was too late to change leaders, but conventional thinking is out the window.
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Steve Bracks was appointed leader of the ALP 7 months before the 1999 election
 
Sttew said:
Steve Bracks was appointed leader of the ALP 7 months before the 1999 election
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That was literally last century. Politically it may as well have been in 1799. Politics has changed almost completely since those good old days, when Bracks won in large part due to a campaign in regional Victoria very few people in Melbourne had any idea was occurring. Such a campaign flying under the radar simply couldn't happen now.

And Bracks won the election by 14 votes.

As I have said, I wish Ms Wilson every success in the world. I don't share the view that the events of this morning were necessary.
 

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The Punter said:
He has good sources in Labor Right as well, and he whacks our side of the aisle plenty - read his piece from the weekend on the Net Zero stuff.

He's also a mate.
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He's a bit like Phil Coorey in that 90% of his articles are handed to him on behalf of the political party. And most of that is in-fighting.

Like when Phil Coorey got the "scoop" on a Nationals leadership spill. But it was literally just Barnaby's office giving him the story to start the process. These news writers then call themselves journalists when all they've done is what they were told to do. It won't be long until the papers can't afford Phil Coorey and just take the story straight from the Lib/Lab press officers.

Most of the feedback on facebook and online forums seems to be of the opinion that Jess Wilson isn't conservative enough and is too much like Labor, talking about voting for One Nation.....
 
Wilson sounds ok. Not a dinosaur like too many other liberals. Good luck to her if she proves to be decent.
 
The Punter said:
That was literally last century. Politically it may as well have been in 1799. Politics has changed almost completely since those good old days, when Bracks won in large part due to a campaign in regional Victoria very few people in Melbourne had any idea was occurring. Such a campaign flying under the radar simply couldn't happen now.

And Bracks won the election by 14 votes.

As I have said, I wish Ms Wilson every success in the world. I don't share the view that the events of this morning were necessary.
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The old saying of "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig" comes to mind.

Wilson takes charge of a party that is clearly deeply divided (a bit like the federal Liberal Party) between the so-called "moderates" (I don't necessarily think that an MP backed by the IPA is a "moderate", but that's a different issue) and the hardline conservatives, with whom she's done a deal to get the numbers to roll Battin.

McArthur clearly sided with Wilson to get what she wanted, and now that she has that, I think it's only a matter of time before internal party discipline breaks down again and Wilson is fronting a party that simply cannot control itself.

Furthermore, Wilson is backed by Frydenberg (understandable - she used to staff for him), and there'll be some Victorians who won't ever forgive Frydenberg for dumping on his own State during COVID when he was Treasurer.

At least Wilson can count on the support of Annika Smethurst and small fry (Chip Le Grand) to push her agenda forward. That'll count for something, surely.
 
Dixie Flatline said:
The old saying of "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig" comes to mind.

Wilson takes charge of a party that is clearly deeply divided (a bit like the federal Liberal Party) between the so-called "moderates" (I don't necessarily think that an MP backed by the IPA is a "moderate", but that's a different issue) and the hardline conservatives, with whom she's done a deal to get the numbers to roll Battin.

McArthur clearly sided with Wilson to get what she wanted, and now that she has that, I think it's only a matter of time before internal party discipline breaks down again and Wilson is fronting a party that simply cannot control itself.

Furthermore, Wilson is backed by Frydenberg (understandable - she used to staff for him), and there'll be some Victorians who won't ever forgive Frydenberg for dumping on his own State during COVID when he was Treasurer.

At least Wilson can count on the support of Annika Smethurst and small fry (Chip Le Grand) to push her agenda forward. That'll count for something, surely.
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The Frydenberg connection won't be worth much either way. Not sure where I find IPA endorsement of Liberal candidates, but I'm sure Ms Wilson's support of The Voice won't have won her any fans in the IPA.

I have no idea who Le Grand's sources are, but Smethurst is well connected to certain parts of the party.
 
So they had the lead in the polls, and they decided to give leadership to a Pentecostal. Yeah that will go down well in Melbourne.

And that opening press conference. Off to a real flyer huh.

lol.

Though I would never vote for him Pesutto was the only oppo leader I've seen from the LNP that came across as a halfway human and somewhat likeable.
 

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