Analysis 2025 Draft watch

[Aphrodite]

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Wasn't Ison 22 in the Phantom?

So if it's 22, what does that leave us with?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So if it's 22, what does that leave us with?

40-45 depending on how many bids come in for other NGA's after him.

 

[choo]

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Surely Swans

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Surely Swans

BT wouldn't stand a chance. He could barely tell Cuningham from Weitering most games.

 

[carlton_99]

So if it's 22, what does that leave us with?

If the Phantom was 100% accurate we would be left with 41 and 47 at the end of Night 1.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Once it gets past the third Essendon pick, I reckon what happens in the draft will really open up.

Clubs reportedly rate this class very differently, and there are a few players who may bolt. Also expect aggressive bidding

 

[marcmurphy3]

If the Phantom was 100% accurate we would be left with 41 and 47 at the end of Night 1.

We could potentially trade both for pick 37 from Sydney (originally 42). Gets them 40 more points for their academy kids. Nudges us up the board.

Or trade one or both to Essendon or Sydney for an F3.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

A bit of Jack Martin or Cal Ah Chee about him the way he moves.

Some really inconsistent kicking efforts though.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

40-45 depending on how many bids come in for other NGA's after him.

According to Pommy's draft thingy, it could be around pick 38 - but as you corrently point out, depends on the bids. At worse, should be pick 40.

There's still some talent there at that pick if you squint your eyes and look hard. Agresta, you gotta nail this puppy!!!

 

[ctwenty1]

If we do these swaps, why would WC or Richmond even bother to bid on Dean?
They wouldn't gain anything anymore.

Other than the player

 

[sregit]

Other than the player

Excuse Tigers supporter
I understand Carlton’s angst with giving up your draft picks, However, it does help WC and the tigers if your picks are chewed up by our early bids. It is no more than you’d want your recruiting team to do if our positions were reversed.

 

[Jimmae]

So going through Pommy's simulator using the top 30 picks from CT and then using the top 50 rankings from rookie.me to fill out the rest of 30s picks getting to our pick at 40 assuming the * and NM trades happen.

The following list of players according to rookie.me's top 50 rankings would be available.
I've also removed any club tied players:

Talor Byrne
Taj Murray
Riley Onley
Jack Dalton
Fred Rodriguez
Hugo Mikunda
Max Kondogiannis


What are peoples thoughts?

Rodriguez probably won't be there, good player though and reminds me of Ryan Griffen.

Onley plays like a medium defender who might become a key defender, except he wants to be a tall mid, so that's going to see him slide a bit.

Murray I like, but needs another year in the gym before he can even think about AFL level, so you'd want to know his body is able to handle it.

Byrne is a rare athlete for his size and knows how to football extremely well, very much worth a look as more of a forward/mid version of Serong.

The rest are just ok, wouldn't have interest.

although the very pointed comments from the very striking CD in his latest media appearance suggested we’re likely to walk away with Dean and Ison before reassessing what’s left.

That kind of wording leaves room for us to trade up.

Give sus options.

We lure Essendon, West Coast, and Richmond to a secluded laneway, pull out a tommy gun and say 'this is a stickup', at which point we force a trade for our 7th, 5th, and 6th rounders respectively that nets us the entire top 6 of the draft

Wes Walley might be an option late

The first retaliatory blow... excellent.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Weiters 196
Dean 193

‘By his own admission, he's somewhat of an in-betweener at 193cm - not quite key position height but not exactly a medium-small.’
Draft me page^

I reckon the cutoff for being a tall defender might have to be 195cm

It’s been mentioned Dean is currently 194cm tall, hopefully still growing

 

[athensblue]

Kondogiannis please.

I haven’t been this excited about a prospect since Tom Anastasopoulos, Jimmy Toumpas… or Mitch Georgiades.

On another note, too many Greeks at Port Adelaide.

Mor the maryer

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Bit of Shai Bolton about him?

 

[Coona Blues]

Is anyone else concerned with the outcome of the mooted trades? Logistically speaking, pretty sure you can’t enter the draft with more picks than vacancies these days. The trades Cal and others are spruiking have us trading our four picks for five later picks and a future second. I am not sure we can do that, unless there is a plan to trade two of them in to a higher pick. Not sure if live trading gives us a loophole, not going over rules with a fine toothed comb for something that is supposedly imminent.

 

[Poorman53]

Is anyone else concerned with the outcome of the mooted trades? Logistically speaking, pretty sure you can’t enter the draft with more picks than vacancies these days. The trades Cal and others are spruiking have us trading our four picks for five later picks and a future second. I am not sure we can do that, unless there is a plan to trade two of them in to a higher pick. Not sure if live trading gives us a loophole, not going over rules with a fine toothed comb for something that is supposedly imminent.

Once the draft starts you can acquire more picks. It's ridiculous.

 

[tarczonandjane]

For me, there is enough smoke around a small forward that I would be surprised if we didn’t go there. Tobyn Murray, Wes Walley, we were clearly into Dovaston as well. I’d just be surprised if we don’t go there if we take a third pick.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

For me, there is enough smoke around a small forward that I would be surprised if we didn’t go there. Tobyn Murray, Wes Walley, we were clearly into Dovaston as well. I’d just be surprised if we don’t go there if we take a third pick.

I like the look of Wes Walley a lot more than Tobyn Murray.

 

[Soapy V]

Firstly, we could have had a a top 20 selection and the best KPD in the draft!!

Austin et al expected expected a selection for Dean to be in the range 6 - 8 and Ison to be closer to 30 instead of 20 and planned accordingly, and it looks like we got it badly wrong twice!! If WC don't bid on Dean, Richmond are expected to.... in fact, you rate Dean at 4 and Ison at 16!

We gave up 10 and 22 for 9 (and other selections) so Hawthorn could present 10 and 22 as part of their offer for Merrett... while we figured 9 would be handy because we expected a later bid for Dean, and therefore a live selection in the early teens...

The hard part is accumulating early selections like 10 and 11, not fully utilising them is the disappointing part; perhaps if they chatted with you, we'd be walking away Dean, Ison & a selection in the teens instead of the 30s without too much effort.

I don't consider good planning to be "There could still be a surprise to come yet if things fall our way", even if I hope they do too.

I do agree on the path the club are taking however it doesn't mean that they could execute better at times - we have a lot of ground to make up

Sounds to me like you are looking for perfect solutions in an imperfect system.

"I don't consider good planning to be There could still be a surprise to come yet if things fall our way" How do we know yet? It's called planning for every possible scenario which I believe we have

Listening to LMs over last few days none really know what will happen. So many F/S, Academys etc that anything could happen.

There are always things we may have done better in hindsight but I can't see how we could have done much better. We won't waste 9 & 11. We will use them for the best KPD in the draft, a Big Bodied classy mid and later picks plus picks next year.

We will effectively trade Pick 9 & 11 for a Pick 3 ranked player, a top 25 player, a later pick and a future top 25 pick

Personally, I am very happy with what Austin & Co (and Wright) have done this off season

 

[No1Suspect]

Weiters 196
Dean 193

‘By his own admission, he's somewhat of an in-betweener at 193cm - not quite key position height but not exactly a medium-small.’
Draft me page^

I reckon the cutoff for being a tall defender might have to be 195cm

Dean is going to be our version on Birchal.

193 intercept playmaker

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Is anyone else concerned with the outcome of the mooted trades? Logistically speaking, pretty sure you can’t enter the draft with more picks than vacancies these days. The trades Cal and others are spruiking have us trading our four picks for five later picks and a future second. I am not sure we can do that, unless there is a plan to trade two of them in to a higher pick. Not sure if live trading gives us a loophole, not going over rules with a fine toothed comb for something that is supposedly imminent.

That rule resets when the draft kicks off. You just can’t have more picks than spots entering the draft.

 

[BlueAbroad]

See you all tonight?

 

[El Topo]

Imagine telling Austin and co twelve months ago that Jagga and HOF would both do ACLs, and Harry and Ison would both bolt into the 2025 first round

Planning for the worst is one thing but this year has been something else

 

[Jimmae]

Once the draft starts you can acquire more picks. It's ridiculous.

That rule resets when the draft kicks off. You just can’t have more picks than spots entering the draft.

It reflects that the draft and the currency of picks - as well as the opportunities they unlock - is far more fluid while the draft is in progress.

There's also two more list lodgement dates after the draft, so there's scope for players to be delisted in the aftermath.