List Mgmt. 2025 List Management III 📃

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List Mgmt. - 2025 List Management II 📃

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[agro]

That’s fine, my personal view is we were already short on key position/ ruck options last year then we lost Curnow, Dekoning and Silvagni in one off season and replaced them with only Riedy and Dean.

O’ffarrell is injured but he Dean and O’keffe are babies and should be allowed to develop at their own speed nothing should be expected of them in their first 3/4 years of development, it’s much harder for a key position player to contribute early in their career compared to a midfielder or flanker.

Kemp still has question marks if he makes it as a key position player rather than a third option and is coming off one of the most serious injuries a footballer can have.

My view is we needed to target more senior key position players while the younger guys develop I don’t want to see Harry Dean playing on Jeremy Cameron or Jesse Hogan in his first year.

The options were out there if we targeted those specific players, for example rather than recruiting a contracted Florent who doesn’t really play a position of great need for us and giving him a well paid 5 year deal would it not have been better to offer that contract to a Grezewski type ( just using him as an example) and somewhat help fill a position of need.

Any chance we might strike it lucky like the Lions with Morris and Gallup?

But im with you I don’t want to see Dean thrown to the wolves early, like Matthew Watson was - where he played on Travis Cloke twice in his first handful of games - he was spooked after that, although I believe that Dean is a far superior prospect.

 

[Blue__Balls]

They’ll get eaten up by Walker selection and with the AFL obsessed to make it impossible for FS to go top 10, we’ll be lucky to have a 2nd left. They will make us trash our list even further.

Can we hold off on the Chicken Little stuff til after the AFL announce the actual changes?

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Reads well. Add this to all the off field changes to our Football Department

Simpson, Davies, Boak, Fraser, Trusgrove, Townsend, Adams and more

Ines will have his first full pre season after a season of assessment

Wright promised a lot and so far he has delivered

It’s been a great result all round, firstly Wright taking over Davies appointment, assistant coaching, line changes, development as well as the addition of Simpson…

Curve ball with Dean being bid on earlier than initially expected, while we landed Ison who slid back, we restocked back up on future 2nd’s and 3rd round picks we had traded out earlier…

The first round picks for Charlie helps the puzzle pieces for this year and whatever rises ahead to help any situation with drafting (Walker) or future trades…

Besides the list shortage of another 2 KPF’s for depth development and balance, it’s been a fantastic result in bringing in better types of players which possess the traits needed to play the style that the game requires..

Still things to improve, change and evolve in but i have a lot more optimism heading into this season, than what i had a month ago…

 

[Old navy]

I also heard this.

He forgot we traded the 2026 third

Thats right was that the pick we traded for Florent ?

It’s still a good hall, gives us a very strong hand in the last draft before Tassie comes in.

 

[BRADLESTICKS]

Any chance we might strike it lucky like the Lions with Morris and Gallup?

But im with you I don’t want to see Dean thrown to the wolves early, like Matthew Watson was - where he played on Travis Cloke twice in his first handful of games - he was spooked after that, although I believe that Dean is a far superior prospect.

I agree, Weitering is probably the highest rated junior key defender to come through the system ever and before the start of his 4th year some were calling him a bust or saying we should play him forward it was ridiculous.

Key position players take longer to develop and should never be rushed if the talent is their and they work hard they make it they shouldn’t be thrown to the wolves.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I think backing in a young gun through a tough rehab with the incentive to be able to play next year is more important than adding a 45th player.

Conversely you don't want them rushing or taking shortcuts trying to get back too soon.
A conservative approach isn't the worst thing and there's a fair chance he's not playing this year regardless.

 

[Soapy V]

I agree, Weitering is probably the highest rated junior key defender to come through the system ever and before the start of his 4th year some were calling him a bust or saying we should play him forward it was ridiculous.

Key position players take longer to develop and should never be rushed if the talent is their and they work hard they make it they shouldn’t be thrown to the wolves.

Every player is different. Sam Darcy virtually came straight in. Some can handle it

Need to assess each player on their merits. Key now is our development team

 

[Old navy]

I think personally we will play key forwards this year as McKay, Okeefe , with Reid'y Kemp Cripps & Young spending time up forward. Possibly target someone next year. Remember the pies one a flag with Miocheck & Cox

Yep you can tell by the players we bought in, it’s going to be a much smaller more flexible forward line, centered around Harry we probably have Haywood Ainsworth Moir Evens and Motlop, with Cripps HOK and Kemp when he comes back rotating for support.
Your right the Pies did it without a true key forward and Brisbane smashed Geelong in last years GF with only two goals coming form their key forwards.
The games changed, you need multiple goal kicking options in the forward line now.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Every player is different. Sam Darcy virtually came straight in. Some can handle it

Need to assess each player on their merits. Key now is our development team

Weitering also really good in his first season. His off patch was really not very long.

 

[Big Delut]

Every player is different. Sam Darcy virtually came straight in. Some can handle it

Need to assess each player on their merits. Key now is our development team

Darcy only played at total of 7 games in his first 2 seasons so definitely needed time.

 

[BRADLESTICKS]

Every player is different. Sam Darcy virtually came straight in. Some can handle it

Need to assess each player on their merits. Key now is our development team

Their are always exceptions but even a player like Sam Darcy is a perfect example he only played 7 games for 3 goals in his first two seasons due to injuries and not quite being ready and this year was really his breakthrough year in his 4th season.

Patience is the key with talented key position players, as our list stands at the moment we are almost forced into playing Dean because our options are so limited.

 

[Soapy V]

Their are always exceptions but even a player like Sam Darcy is a perfect example he only played 7 games for 3 goals in his first two seasons due to injuries and not quite being ready and this year was really his breakthrough year in his 4th season.

Patience is the key with talented key position players, as our list stands at the moment we are almost forced into playing Dean because our options are so limited.

I don’t buy this. He strikes me as being mentally strong. With Weitering Haynes Young McGovern and possibly Phillips we won’t be forced into anything

If we believe he is ready he will play

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

“...so I'm giving him 1 more chance.“

I’m sure he’s relieved to hear that.

He's entitled to a fair warning, before I march off to the 'welcome to Michael Voss thread'.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Yeah, shortage of genuine talls may add credence to Ben King free agency suggestions. Bloody good player, somewhat under rated in Victoria. I am confident with what a combo of O’Keeffe and Kemp can add to Big H, with “cameos” from Moir and maybe Ison, but King is definitely class.

The Collingwood era Wright presided over was always seemingly under supplied with talls, perhaps is a philosophy of his.

King would be a great addition - almost like one of the final pieces in the jigsaw to see us eing competitive with the big boys. Not sure if GCS would be in a position to match an offer either.

Adding King as a FA, and Walker through the ND next year would be a great result.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Can we hold off on the Chicken Little stuff til after the AFL announce the actual changes?

You can if you feel like it but don’t tell others what to think. Thanks

 

[Blue__Balls]

You can if you feel like it but don’t tell others what to think. Thanks

Not telling you what to think, friend, but it seems premature to claim the AFL are out to get us with the rule changes when we don't even know what the changes are. If they announce them and they're diabolical, I'll be at the head of the mob with you, but until then it doesn't seem an overly productive discussion.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Can we hold off on the Chicken Little stuff til after the AFL announce the actual changes?

I agree - the AFL want players to go to clubs under the Father/Son rule. It has romance and is great publicity - look at the photos and stories of Harry Dean doing the rounds and the publicity the Daicos brothers get (ironically even the negative side of JSOS leaving the Blues).

They don't want to kill it but just make it seen that clubs pay a fair price.

It's not the Father/son that is making the draft a shambles - it's the NGA picks.

 

[bigblueboy]

People underestimate how much our picks are going to grow in value next year.

Last year before massively compromised drafts due to Tassie introduction; fewer NGA players in the top tier; some superstars out of contract … it’s going to be a frenzy.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

King would be a great addition - almost like one of the final pieces in the jigsaw to see us eing competitive with the big boys. Not sure if GCS would be in a position to match an offer either.

Adding King as a FA, and Walker through the ND next year would be a great result.

We need to add another round one selection in what is supposedly going to be a strong draft next year, IMO, or trading out pick 28 this year doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Coona Blues]

People underestimate how much our picks are going to grow in value next year.

Last year before massively compromised drafts due to Tassie introduction; fewer NGA players in the top tier; some superstars out of contract … it’s going to be a frenzy.

Moving up in the draft will be next door to impossible. Our list management team had to bank extra picks now. Too easy for oppo teams to block availability to picks and therefore fo our player. Port Adelaide will be almost compelled to trade Butters to get the capital for Cochrane. It may cost “all we have” including a future 1 for deficit, but we will get Cody.

One would hope the F1’s are assessed at pick 18/19 for the Tassie compromised draft, not being reduced to accommodate the extra Tassie picks. All logic says that is how it should be calculated to ensure equity draft to draft.

 

[Old navy]

People underestimate how much our picks are going to grow in value next year.

Last year before massively compromised drafts due to Tassie introduction; fewer NGA players in the top tier; some superstars out of contract … it’s going to be a frenzy.

Yep two 2nd rounders could easily be upgraded to a first or if it’s a deep draft like it looks like it will be, we could just hold them, can use them for trades.
If you think about it we had picks 9 and 11, which blew out to picks 13 and 15, we basically got Dean and two future 2nds for those picks, not the worst result considering the Dean bid came at pick 3.

 

[Old navy]

We need to add another round one selection in what is supposedly going to be a strong draft next year, IMO, or trading out pick 28 this year doesn't make a lot of sense.

Nah trading out pick 28 was a good move, all the good talent was long gone and now we have two future 2nd rounders, one of them tied to North Melbourne, if North have another down year their 2nd could be around pick 20, We can easily package them up and get another 1st

 

[marcmurphy3]

If there was someone we were desperately after at 28, we would have taken the pick.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Nah trading out pick 28 was a good move, all the good talent was long gone and now we have two future 2nd rounders, one of them tied to North Melbourne, if North have another down year their 2nd could be around pick 20, We can easily package them up and get another 1st

North's 2nd will be around the pick 25 mark.
GS's 2nd - probably 33ish.

If those get us a 1st, it'll be around pick 17.

I reckon if we must move up, we'll package North's 2nd with Swan's 1st.

But who knows what can happen... maybe Swans finish bottom 4...

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

We need to add another round one selection in what is supposedly going to be a strong draft next year, IMO, or trading out pick 28 this year doesn't make a lot of sense.

Not sure what that has to do with my post??

Ben King is a free agent next year.