Game Day The 2025 Draft Day Thread

[UseR2006]

And a song to sing as we watch,

Hey Matty Clarke by Kevin (Random260) Wilson :

Hey Matty Clarke you campaigner, where the **** is Sharp
I’ve looked at all these other spuds and there’s no one that I like
I wrote you a ****ing letter and posted about it twice
You dopey ****ing Richmond fart, you forgot my ****ing Sharp

If I wanted a stupid ruckman type, I would’ve bloody asked
And this half back flank and temu mid, you can shove right up your arse
You’ve stuffed the bloody order up, it’s enough to make you spew
But it’s not just me who’s snakey, SGIO is dirty too

Next time I come to see ya, I’m going to punch you in the guts
And I’ll sack the other recruiting knobs and kick Toddy in the nuts
You just wait 'til next year when you go back to the draft
And me and me little GIO come stomping through the door
And we'll say, yeah, you wait for it

Hey Pyke and Woosh you smell his breath
And check his bloodshot eyes
And don't listen to him eagles fans 'cause he tells ****ing lies
He's just a ****ing useless campaigner and he's not even very bright
'Cause the stupid ****in' w***er, forgot me ****in' Sharp

Hey Matty Clarke you campaigner, where the **** is Sharp
I’ve looked at all these other spuds and there’s no one that I like
I wrote you a ****ing letter and posted about it twice
You dopey ****ing Richmond fart, you forgot my ****ing Sharp

A Quick Ai rendition: https://suno.com/s/blQP3cSnulhqYb5g
It's funny how it interrupted the lyrics XD

 

[Shueygod]

That’s absurd. If we ranked Phoenix Gothard at #1 and took him instead of Harley I think it’s fair to say that would demonstrate an inability to rank players.

Sure, let’s include Harley then.

I’d say we have “nailed” 4 picks since 2021: Harley, Ginbey, Hough, Shanahan.

Find me even 4 clubs that have “nailed” more, or even 4 clubs you believe have drafted better than us in that period (excluding academy/FS) as matching a clear top 5 pick with 3 picks 30+ does not constitute good drafting imo, it’s common sense.

 

[eaglevision]

Sure, let’s include Harley then.

I’d say we have “nailed” 4 picks since 2021: Harley, Ginbey, Hough, Shanahan.

Find me even 4 clubs that have “nailed” more.

Read my original post. It doesn’t include Harley, that was in relation to a different point you made. Do your own research and form your own opinion, I couldn't care less whether it marries up with mine or not.

 

[Shueygod]

Read my original post. It doesn’t include Harley, that was in relation to a different point you made. Do your own research and form your own opinion, I couldn't care less whether it marries up with mine or not.

You insinuated our draft team haven’t shown to know what they’re doing. Challenging a statement as there was “little evidence to prove it”. I’m now asking for evidence to the contrary and you’re incapable of doing so.

I’m happy to do the research for you, babe me the clubs you think have drafted better since 2021 and I’ll show you why that’s not the case.

It should be very easy to come up with 6+ clubs since in your opinion the draft team hasn’t shown to know what they’re doing.

 

[eaglevision]

You insinuated our draft team haven’t shown to know what they’re doing. Challenging a statement as there was “little evidence to prove it”. I’m now asking for evidence to the contrary and you’re incapable of doing so.

I’m happy to do the research for you, babe me the clubs you think have drafted better since 2021 and I’ll show you why that’s not the case.

It should be very easy to come up with 6+ clubs since in your opinion the draft team hasn’t shown to know what they’re doing.

How about you go rank them from 1-18, I’ll go enjoy my steak and a Malbec and later on I’ll comment on your rankings.

 

[Shueygod]

How about you go rank them from 1-18, I’ll go enjoy my steak and a Malbec and later on I’ll comment on your rankings.

How disappointing for some one that apparently cared about evidence when making statements.

Can’t even come up with 6/18 clubs that drafted better. Given your claim was they haven’t shown the know what they’re doing it should be very easy.

 

[juice568]

I know its early but I love who massey has picked the last 2 years. Picks the best available talent. His drafting will get us back up the top. The pieman speculative picks like burgiel and chesser are hopefully a thing of the past.

 

[eaglevision]

How disappointing for some one that apparently cared about evidence when making statements.

Can’t even come up with 6/18 clubs that drafted better. Given your claim was they haven’t shown the know what they’re doing it should be very easy.

Do your rankings, I’ll comment in a couple of hours. Promise.

 

[Shueygod]

Do your rankings, I’ll comment in a couple of hours. Promise.

I’ll make it easy, I’ll give you 12 clubs that definitely haven’t drafted better and you refute just one.

Adelaide
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Fremantle
Geelong
GWS
Hawthorn
North
Port
Rich
Sydney

 

[Eastern Rangers]

There's a boof-head journalist on ESPN who graded our draft performance as a C- after extolling the virtues of the players we picked......go figure! So, almost every other team outperformed WC despite us selecting Duursma, Duff-Tytler, Lindsay followed by Allen and Williams in the second round. Had any other team secured these players that would have been viewed as an A grade performance, but NO, we're WC, so stick the boots in........... you w***er.

That's a good assessment. Didn't get very creative, clearly fumbled with the Hawks trade and we didn't address our list needs.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Few changes in the last 2 years. See what Clarkes list shows this year. Can only hope he has made more good calls than misses.

 

[eagles rule]

Stop this rubbish.
If we wanted Banfield and Evans we could have done it or would have done it.
We move Cripps to the rookie list (sorry Fred)
We then pass on Sam Allen and take Williams, Banfield and Evans in the main draft instead of hoping both make the rookie list.
One thing i would guarentee would happen if we did this is in a couple of years time some would be looking at who we missed out especially pick 29.
You are the only one bringing up Schoenberg and Macrae rubbish for missing Banfield.
Nearly everyone bar you realises that Cripps was the logical one to be dropped off the main list as he has only one year in him and no other team likely to take him. It is time for you to move on.

come-on Chad , let Drew get it out of his system ..Pyke and Woosha not picking up the phone ..

 

[Barrybran]

I do think we wouldn’t have Lindsay on our list had we not traded up so I’m kinda ok with it - but I’m making the assumption it was necessary. It may or may not have been and unfortunately we’ll probably never know for sure

I heard someone make the point today that the Dogs took Carmichael at their pick. GWS also gave up an F2 to move ahead of Hawthorn to take Oskar Taylor.

 

[eaglevision]

I’ll make it easy, I’ll give you 12 clubs that definitely haven’t drafted better and you refute just one.

Adelaide
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Fremantle
Geelong
GWS
Hawthorn
North
Port
Rich
Sydney

Don’t even need to go past the first club on the list. Adelaide.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Banfield and Evans don’t go in the ND last year, we are melting over some seriously average prospects.

Banfield gets drafted close to Hugh Boxshall and Evans goes ahead of Angove comfortably.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Davis was far higher rated, if anything the fact he was pick 65 is absolute proof Banfield doesn’t go ND last year.

He had 21D and 4G in a WAFL final and averaged 15D 1.8G at the champs.

Hamish Davis kicking left him with most clubs striking through his name.

 

[juice568]

Hamish Davis kicking left him with most clubs striking through his name.

You would hope shannon hurn is working with him this off season

 

[Eastern Rangers]

You would hope shannon hurn is working with him this off season

I doubt he'll fix it. Which is a shame because his craft post stoppage very good.

 

[Keys]

I heard someone make the point today that the Dogs took Carmichael at their pick. GWS also gave up an F2 to move ahead of Hawthorn to take Oskar Taylor.

I did note at the time that the Bulldogs bid on Carmichael (a medium defender) the pick after ours and that it leant weight to the theory that they were trying to trade up to the Hawthorn pick for Lindsay.

But forgot about GWS trading up with Hawthorn to get another medium in Taylor who they picked after they placed a bid on Kyle, another medium defender, which Sydney matched

In amongst all that North drafted Dovaston between the GWS pick and ours.

Well played by Hawthorn who clearly weren’t interested in a defender and were happy to trade back a few spots to get the player (Nairn) they likely would have taken with their initial pick. Pocketed a couple of F2 picks in the process

Wonder if me made to the same offer, pick 18 and the Saints F2 to move up to their pick 14 but they took the GWS offer first. Then came back to us, or us to them after North picked Dovaston

On an unrelated note - I wonder if Melbourne leaked their interest in Nairn, who was a bit of a bolter and late invite to the draft, as a smokescreen for Pickett - who they quite deliberately snuck into the draft room

 

[WCEswift]

Be interesting to see how the first draft pointed directly for mini goes last year he come on so late

 

[eagles rule]

I did note at the time that the Bulldogs bid on Carmichael (a medium defender) the pick after ours and that it leant weight to the theory that they were trying to trade up to the Hawthorn pick for Lindsay.

But forgot about GWS trading up with Hawthorn to get another medium in Taylor who they picked after they placed a bid on Kyle, another medium defender, which Sydney matched

In amongst all that North drafted Dovaston between the GWS pick and ours.

Well played by Hawthorn who clearly weren’t interested in a defender and were happy to trade back a few spots to get the player (Nairn) they likely would have taken with their initial pick. Pocketed a couple of F2 picks in the process

I believe Lindsay would have been taken by Hawks to replace Giath at HBF if we didn`t try to sweeten the pot for them ,I would`ve thought we initially offered a F3 which was renegotiated to a F2 after Hawks said if you want Lindsay we need the F2 or your going to miss the opportunity ..

 

[Shueygod]

Don’t even need to go past the first club on the list. Adelaide.

Could you name any others? Based on your definition of “nailing” picks, Adelaide has Soligo, Curtin and Michalanney who was a highly rated FS that they matched with

Taking into account draft picks, at this stage, I’d say WC clearly outperformed Adelaide in 2023, and 2024, Adelaide clearly outperforming WC in 2021 and 2022 very close depending how you rate Hewett but we can give Adelaide the edge.

 

[PepperTom32]

Pick 34 was pushed back to 52 plus those two F3s. Pick 52 was then used to match the eventual bid on Williams

Effectively we got those two F3s for nothing

The use of the F2 from the Ryan trade to shift up one spot looks bad, particularly if we still could have taken Lindsay anyway - that bit is unknown as other clubs like the Bulldogs and/or Geelong may have been on the phone with Hawthorn trying to do a trade

The next question is whether the gap in talent between Lindsay and Nairn, Msrsh, Schubert, Carmichael or Barker worth torching a F2 pick

I’m just glad we didn’t do a North and trade a F1 for a pick in the late 20’s and a F2. Still can’t believe they did it

 

[Patron]

Nope.

We have a Cat B spot unfilled after deciding not to list Walley. Unsure if we can fill it now other than with some random Irishman or US basketballer



List doesn’t include the three DFAs we’ll add on Monday

McGovern and Sheed listed as ours but they were effectively replaced by McCarthy and Newton

I don't rate Walley myself, but it would be another very peculiar decision if they don't plan on filling the other Category B position with somebody else. Would just seem wasteful. It's a real shame evans didn't make it through the draft.

 

[Selurs]

Taking into account draft picks, at this stage, I’d say WC clearly outperformed Adelaide in 2023, and 2024, Adelaide clearly outperforming WC in 2021 and 2022 very close depending how you rate Hewett but we can give Adelaide the edge.

Not to jump in on your broader shitfight with the other poster, but I'd say there's no way Adelaide have drafted better than us over the last 4-5 years.

They've taken 4 players who project to be good to very good, plus Sid Draper for whom it's clearly too early to tell.

We've taken 3 looking to be in that good-to-very good range, but at least half a dozen others who may or may not make it, and are currently well ahead of their next crop from the same drafts.

Playing the odds we're well ahead. On exposed form, we're well ahead. May not end that way but at this point, no way you can say they're ahead.

 

[Shueygod]

Not to jump in on your broader shitfight with the other poster, but I'd say there's no way Adelaide have drafted better than us over the last 4-5 years.

They've taken 4 players who project to be good to very good, plus Sid Draper for whom it's clearly too early to tell.

We've taken 3 looking to be in that good-to-very good range, but at least half a dozen others who may or may not make it, and are currently well ahead of their next crop from the same drafts.

Playing the odds we're well ahead. On exposed form, we're well ahead. May not end that way but at this point, no way you can say they're ahead.

I assume he’s taking into account the draft picks they were taken at.

Even then, I think Adelaide have had some (at this point) misses with higher picks than we’ve had and less “nailed” low picks.