Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[leon123]

Yep course they aren’t going to put out fires on a day like today but surely a couple scattered around the state would be highly beneficial. especially to put out small fires before they turn into big fires.

I can’t believe the whole system basically runs on the good will of volunteers.

It always has outside of urban areas... state capabilities has increased substantially over the last 15 years, partic in tech and aerial support

Not sure why you are trying to get political mileage when peoples houses are burning

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Can anyone explain why Victoria don’t own like 10 of the Elvis style helicopters? Yes they cost a bit but for the money the government waste surely they’d be worth it. Obviously could share the cost with Canada

They're leased because half the year they're not needed and needed in the northern half of the world. There's more than just the skyscranes that get used.

Fleet -

National Fleet NAFC contracts 175 aircraft on behalf of state and territory governments. This fleet is supplemented by NAFC aircraft contracted as Call When Needed, and additional state owned and state contracted aircraft that meet peak demand across Australia. In total more than 500 aircraft...

nafc.org.au

There's a whole bunch of aircraft that get used. Some leased from Erikson and Coulson.

Because the mob who makes them usually does them on a lease arrangement and they’re shared across the world.

But NSW owns some of their own firefighting aerial fleet, but they were run by a decent government…

Even then, all the aircraft in the world won’t stop days like today and there’s a real chance they get grounded at some stage today.

They're still operated by Coulson under contract.

 

[peetoo]

It always has outside of urban areas... state capabilities has increased substantially over the last 15 years, partic in tech and aerial support

Not sure why you are trying to get political mileage when peoples houses are burning

Firefighting needs to rapidly increase its manpower several fold on tough days
That and a core of professionals
It's how it's managed which is always argued about

 

[leon123]

Firefighting needs to rapidly increase its manpower several fold on tough days
That and a core of professionals
It's how it's managed which is always argued about

yes partially agreed, however, the use of tech will have greater impacts ie drones to spot fires early, science based backburning, increased aerial support.

not much firies can do once out of control on days like today sadly... but agreed more seasonal firies required.

The tech component has changed significantly since I was involved

 

[10571z]

It always has outside of urban areas... state capabilities has increased substantially over the last 15 years, partic in tech and aerial support

Not sure why you are trying to get political mileage when peoples houses are burning

I’m not trying to get political mileage. This is bigfooty yeah? Im not holding a press conference as the opposition leader.

I asked a question in good faith. Not sure what other thread I’d use.

 

[leon123]

I’m not trying to get political mileage. This is bigfooty yeah? Im not holding a press conference as the opposition leader.

I asked a question in good faith. Not sure what other thread I’d use.

well the system has been largely run by volunteers outside of urban areas forever.

Ive always been a proponent that volunteers should be paid, when on active duty.

In campaign fires I had incredible guilt, that I was being paid handsomely, whilst CFA were effectively paying to be there,

My solution = increased taxation and or funding redistribution

 

[Saint]

Yep course they aren’t going to put out fires on a day like today but surely a couple scattered around the state would be highly beneficial. especially to put out small fires before they turn into big fires.

I can’t believe the whole system basically runs on the good will of volunteers.

Due to the dispersed nature of the risk, it would be near impossible to have professional staff stationed in all these places able to react as quickly as local volunteers can.

For example, where would you station people around Mt Lawson State Park to respond to the current bushfire there and how would you get them there and supply them all across the state on days like today?

Local volunteers can respond fastest. If there wasn't a CFA, they'd probably be doing it anyway!

 

[eddiesmith]

Massive issues with increasing paid firefighters in Victoria these days due to the fire services reform.

Basically CFA can’t employ firefighters under the legislation and FRV is not set up to fight bushfires, only provide asset protection in urban areas.

The old system where we had paid firefighters in major rural and on the fringes of Melbourne with access to 4WD tankers capable of fighting grass and bushfires in their areas was better, but thanks to Dan those days will never happen again.

The current government providing proper funding and not letting 30+ year old trucks make up most of the rural fleet would be a nice start for the government to support the volunteers, but we know that’s not a vote winner like a tunnel in Melbourne.

 

[leon123]

Massive issues with increasing paid firefighters in Victoria these days due to the fire services reform.

Basically CFA can’t employ firefighters under the legislation and FRV is not set up to fight bushfires, only provide asset protection in urban areas.

The old system where we had paid firefighters in major rural and on the fringes of Melbourne with access to 4WD tankers capable of fighting grass and bushfires in their areas was better, but thanks to Dan those days will never happen again.

The current government providing proper funding and not letting 30+ year old trucks make up most of the rural fleet would be a nice start for the government to support the volunteers, but we know that’s not a vote winner like a tunnel in Melbourne.

Have you considered the role of forest fire mangement, that undertake nonurban fire management

Agree though, cfa volunteer resources are poor

 

[eddiesmith]

Have you considered the role of forest fire mangement, that undertake nonurban fire management

Agree though, cfa volunteer resources are poor

Don’t get me started on the department of name changes!!! They provide an important service, but there are some difficulties around the way it’s structured. But sounds like you may have done that job previously?

 

[leon123]

Don’t get me started on the department of name changes!!! They provide an important service, but there are some difficulties around the way it’s structured. But sounds like you may have done that job previously?

Sure have, the fire management from this area is globally recognised.

I agree with you though re cfa volunteer arangements... equipment and my personal issue, renumeration for the volunteers. They are the backbone of fire management in regional vic, without them, we are stuffed.

Department of name changes... at the exec level is typical of any bureaucratic agency, nothing out of yhe norm

 

[Rob R]

well the system has been largely run by volunteers outside of urban areas forever.

Ive always been a proponent that volunteers should be paid, when on active duty.

In campaign fires I had incredible guilt, that I was being paid handsomely, whilst CFA were effectively paying to be there,

My solution = increased taxation and or funding redistribution

Good points but we don't need more taxes. Lots of money that is being wasted or spent on lower priority work by the government than critical safety functions. Easy to save money on cutting senior management, consultants, marketing (which is mostly political not government ), pointless reviews, project mismanagement (commonwealth games), politicians junkets and perks; and deferring items that are lower priorities like some projects, treaty etc

 

[leon123]

Good points but we don't need more taxes. Lots of money that is being wasted or spent on lower priority work by the government than critical safety functions. Easy to save money on cutting senior management, consultants, marketing (which is mostly political not government ), pointless reviews, project mismanagement (commonwealth games), politicians junkets and perks; and deferring items that are lower priorities like some projects, treaty etc

Agreed, but my real point is cfa should be resourced and supported to elite standards. Vic is the most fire prone area in the world.

 

[Not Important]

Agreed, but my real point is cfa should be resourced and supported to elite standards. Vic is the most fire prone area in the world.

agree. but i wouldn't take too much notice of what that opportunist marshall says on these matters.

 

[eddiesmith]

agree. but i wouldn't take too much notice of what that opportunist marshall says on these matters.

Typical, don’t listen to facts listen to Jacinta spin instead, she’s so much more honest…

I would like to know what Marshall or the CFA volunteers are saying you believe is not factually correct?

 

[leon123]

Typical, don’t listen to facts listen to Jacinta spin instead, she’s so much more honest…

I would like to know what Marshall or the CFA volunteers are saying you believe is not factually correct?

Are you not doing the same though?

And yes, my view not from unions or govt cfa need lots more support

 

[eddiesmith]

Are you not doing the same though?

And yes, my view not from unions or govt cfa need lots more support

How’s that, I’m listening to the facts not the spin.

Yes you are on the right track, but the poster I quoted is in their usual government spin position of the government is right, unions and CFA volunteers are liars.

 

[leon123]

How’s that, I’m listening to the facts not the spin.

Yes you are on the right track, but the poster I quoted is in their usual government spin position of the government is right, unions and CFA volunteers are liars.

Fair, volunteers are the backbone, no spin from cfa...typically salt of the earth people

 

[bluespooner]

Have you considered the role of forest fire mangement, that undertake nonurban fire management

Agree though, cfa volunteer resources are poor

This is no defence for what the Andrews govt. did in selling out the the CFA for political expediency reasons.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Happy to stick the boots in to Scomo, though, for the same.

Really?

Allan who briefly went on leave, returned from leave during the fires, then was evacuated from her home.

The person that has done her job and also fronted the media? Absolutely embarrassing weird little freaks in this thread.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Why is Dan Andrews still on holidays.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Melbourne is in the middle of a housing revolution – have the yimbys already won?

Advocates say even they are surprised by Allan government’s embrace of higher density housing, but warn construction costs risk city becoming ‘victim of its success’

www.theguardian.com

Victorian Government actually tackling the housing affordability crisis.

 

[The Punter]

Melbourne is in the middle of a housing revolution – have the yimbys already won?

Advocates say even they are surprised by Allan government’s embrace of higher density housing, but warn construction costs risk city becoming ‘victim of its success’

www.theguardian.com

Victorian Government actually tackling the housing affordability crisis.

By reducing the costs imposed by government identified in the piece, they could engage in more effective tackling.

The Grattan Institute's assessment seems to be "good now, would have been better earlier".

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

By reducing the costs imposed by government identified in the piece, they could engage in more effective tackling.

The Grattan Institute's assessment seems to be "good now, would have been better earlier".

It always would have been better earlier.

A fact all other levels of government around the country seem not to care about.

At least Victoria under Allan are doing something. And absolutely, there is more that can be done. New affordable and state housing, further simplification of the approvals process, additional shifting of those powers from council to a state body, like an expanded VCAT.

All things the LNP oppose.

Pretty explicitly given a number of members are trying to front NIMBY scare campaigns over limited densification.

 

[boncer34]

Melbourne is in the middle of a housing revolution – have the yimbys already won?

Advocates say even they are surprised by Allan government’s embrace of higher density housing, but warn construction costs risk city becoming ‘victim of its success’

www.theguardian.com

Melbourne Government actually tackling the housing affordability crisis in Melbourne.

Fixed that.