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Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

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Fadge said:
Cherry Picker working overtime!
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It was impressive 🍒 picking from the master picker.

The reality is that Dusty didn't actually have a slow finish to his career, those seasons were basically on par with his pre 2017 form.

He best PlaYa RaTInG season pre 2017 was 13.4!!

Dusty was a 1-1.2 goal per game, 8 CP player for majority of his career, who had a purple patch.

It was a ****ing great purple patch, but the other 2/3rds of his career was nothing special. Hence a career PlayARaTinGs avg less than Rory Sloane.

Help explains why the cherry 🍒 picker has to continue to pick select seasons, as just like Richmond, outside of a good window, nothing strong really.
 
doppleganger said:
It was impressive 🍒 picking from the master picker.

The reality is that Dusty didn't actually have a slow finish to his career, those seasons were basically on par with his pre 2017 form.

He best PlaYa RaTInG season pre 2017 was 13.4!!

Dusty was a 1-1.2 goal per game, 8 CP player for majority of his career, who had a purple patch.

It was a ****ing great purple patch, but the other 2/3rds of his career was nothing special. Hence a career PlayARaTinGs avg less than Rory Sloane.

Help explains why the cherry 🍒 picker has to continue to pick select seasons, as just like Richmond, outside of a good window, nothing strong really.
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DG you're a good man, I like you a lot - but you're arguing that a 3x Norm Smith Medalist isn't that much. Just take a step back and have a bit of a think.

He was a genuine Champion, had he taken footy as seriously as some of the other Champions, he could have been RIGHT up there with the GOATs.

I don't hate Richmond, I don't hate Collingwood either, just don't. So I'm fairly unbiased on this subject.

I have him just above Nafan all-time, there's an argument that had he played for the Woods, he's probably your GOAT.
 
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Chip Scab1 said:
DG you're a good man, I like you a lot - but you're arguing that a 3x Norm Smith Medalist isn't that much. Just take a step back and have a bit of a think.
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Yep.

Because multiple Norm Smith Medals automatically place you amongst the best to have ever played the game...

Multiple Norm Smith Medallists:
Martin
W. Ashcroft
Hodge
McLeod
Ayres

Here are some players who never won a Norm Smith Medal:
G. Ablett Jnr
Franklin
Carey
Matthews
Lockett
Dunstall
Voss
Dangerfield

The latter 8 players are all comfortably ahead of the former 5 in the GOAT rankings.
 
Fadge said:
Yep.

Because multiple Norm Smith Medals automatically place you amongst the best to have ever played the game...

Multiple Norm Smith Medallists:
Martin
W. Ashcroft
Hodge
McLeod
Ayres

Here are some players who never won a Norm Smith Medal:
G. Ablett Jnr
Franklin
Carey
Matthews
Lockett
Dunstall
Voss
Dangerfield

The latter 8 players are all comfortably ahead of the former 5 in the GOAT rankings.
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Sure, of course.

That wasn't my argument though, I just said he'd be your GOAT. Not the AFLs GOAT.
 
Fadge said:
You need to take a closer look.

He's behind Coventry x 2, Collier x 2, Pendlebury and Buckley.

With Daicos to overtake him by the time he's 26 or so.
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Ohh that's what you were getting at.

Yeah I forgot you blokes rate players who dominated a closed suburban league. Like old mate who kicks 125 for Balwyn or Vermont these days.

Maybe slightly more relevant, but not much.
 
Chip Scab1 said:
Ohh that's what you were getting at.

Yeah I forgot you blokes rate players who dominated a closed suburban league. Like old mate who kicks 125 for Balwyn or Vermont these days.

Maybe slightly more relevant, but not much.
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Where do you rate Matthews in the GOAT standings, given he played in an era where players were part time at best and held down full time jobs?

Based on your rationale above, would he squeeze into your top 50?
 
Fadge said:
Where do you rate Matthews in the GOAT standings, given he played in an era where players were part time at best and held down full time jobs?

Based on your rationale above, would he squeeze into your top 50?
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He's the greatest ever up until Carey, Lockett and Senior.

I have him 4th all-time.
 
Chip Scab1 said:
DG you're a good man, I like you a lot - but you're arguing that a 3x Norm Smith Medalist isn't that much. Just take a step back and have a bit of a think.
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Na Chippa.

Just saying that Richmond and Dusty both had a very impressive purple patch, a 4 year period.

Outside of that period, Martin didn't stand-out, and Richmond were ordinary.

Hence the cherry 🍒 picker ignores full career stats, and full Richmond results to instead isolate small selective cherry picked windows where they were good.

Or random 1.2 and 14.5 triggers or classification as "mid-forward" to not compare Dusty with ALL players.

It is impressive stuff from the 🍒 picker.
 

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MisterMarcus said:
I've missed the last 20 pages - how did we get onto talking about Martin on a Collingwood rebuild thread?
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The Richmond rebuild was mentioned, then retiring players, then it spiralled into the usual crap.
 
Mr Meow said:
Pendlebury has been good and durable enough to still be a top-4 side's 2nd most important midfielder in 2025 aged about 40.

Dangerfield aged 35 finally moved out of a full time midfield gig in 2025 (Martin did in 2021 aged 30) and had 60 goals + assists. Martin had 18 in his last season aged 33.

Others such as Cameron, Stewart, Blicavs, Sidebottom, Elliot and Crisp have aged better than the movers and shakers from Richmond land veterans. If you flipped those trends it probably is true that Geelong and Collingwood would be in a much steeper rebuild now, while Richmond would be trying to contend.

It is a very important factor for deciding whether to tear the joint down or not.
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Please get help Meow, you clearly can't move on. It's a Pies rebuild forum, not a DMPTSD support group.
 

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Corn Cobbers said:
In 2023 Martin kicked the last soft goal of the game, when it was all over, a whopping 6 times

That sort of thing doesn't go unnoticed by the AA panel
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Why do you also have DMPTSD Cobber? Maybe start a support group with Meow and Fadge.
 
doppleganger said:
It was impressive 🍒 picking from the master picker.

The reality is that Dusty didn't actually have a slow finish to his career, those seasons were basically on par with his pre 2017 form.

He best PlaYa RaTInG season pre 2017 was 13.4!!

Dusty was a 1-1.2 goal per game, 8 CP player for majority of his career, who had a purple patch.

It was a ****ing great purple patch, but the other 2/3rds of his career was nothing special. Hence a career PlayARaTinGs avg less than Rory Sloane.

Help explains why the cherry 🍒 picker has to continue to pick select seasons, as just like Richmond, outside of a good window, nothing strong really.
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DMPTSD is starting soon Dopey.
 
Chip Scab1 said:
Ohh that's what you were getting at.

Yeah I forgot you blokes rate players who dominated a closed suburban league. Like old mate who kicks 125 for Balwyn or Vermont these days.

Maybe slightly more relevant, but not much.
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They can't let go of 1901-1939....they've been the 7th most successful team in the 85-years from 1940-2025....it's no wonder they revere those who played decades before they were born.
:)
 
doppleganger said:
Na Chippa.

Just saying that Richmond and Dusty both had a very impressive purple patch, a 4 year period.

Outside of that period, Martin didn't stand-out, and Richmond were ordinary.

Hence the cherry 🍒 picker ignores full career stats, and full Richmond results to instead isolate small selective cherry picked windows where they were good.

Or random 1.2 and 14.5 triggers or classification as "mid-forward" to not compare Dusty with ALL players.

It is impressive stuff from the 🍒 picker.
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Entire career stats...every single game they've ever played.

Disposals / Goals:

Judd: 22.87 / 0.82
Danger: 22.94 / 1.01
Voss: 21.26 / 0.85
Fyfe: 23.43 / 0.72
Black: 23.54 / 0.53
Pendles: 25.38 / 0.48
Selwood: 24.64 / 0.49
Gablett: 24.92 / 1.25
Bontempelli: 24.14 / 0.98
Martin: 24.24 / 1.12

How does Martin average more disposals AND more goals per game than Danger, Judd, Voss, Fyfe, Black and Bontempelli?
 
Need the last 20 odd pages summarised for me.

Does Dustin Martin need to enter a rebuild or not?
 

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