Unofficial Preview Changes/Discussion - Swans

[KissKiss]

Herald Sun saying we'll accept the Bailey ban, challenge the Dizzy suspension (try to downgrade it to a fine), and challenge the Andrews suspension (try to get it thrown out completely or downgraded to 1 or 2 games).

I get it but also have low expectations on getting Harris off. It seems very textbook 3 weeks

 

[StevoJenkins]

Can we get Liam Jones to nominate for the mid season draft and pick him up?

Is he playing VFL or state league somewhere?

Needs to play if he wants to nominate.

 

[StevoJenkins]

I get it but also have low expectations on getting Harris off. It seems very textbook 3 weeks

The Bailey one is the only one that seemed intentional.

The Harris one is being based off of the result, rather than the actual action, and the Gardiner one we might be lucky with and go down to a fine.

 

[Perrip]

Is he playing VFL or state league somewhere?

Needs to play if he wants to nominate.

Played in the VFL practice match I think?

 

[StevoJenkins]

Played in the VFL practice match I think?

From memory, when we tried to get in one of our coaches a year or two back, you need to play 5 games at some level somewhere to nominate for the mid-season draft.

If he gets there, we can grab him, but he'd be a one season guy one would imagine. Guy's 35/36 now.

 

[Perrip]

From memory, when we tried to get in one of our coaches a year or two back, you need to play 5 games at some level somewhere to nominate for the mid-season draft.

It's at least 3 games. Lloyd had only played 2 VFL games when we floated that idea with the AFL.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Played in the VFL practice match I think?

Yes, saw it in the review, he came off injured.

 

[braddsey]

The Bailey one is the only one that seemed intentional.

The Harris one is being based off of the result, rather than the actual action, and the Gardiner one we might be lucky with and go down to a fine.

I think Harris does deserve 1-2 weeks off. It was careless and resulted in a concussion. It absolutely wasn't intentional.
Putting the shoe on the other foot, it one of our players got concussed in a similar incident, there would be baying for blood on here.

The most recent similar example for me was Justin McInerney's 3-match ban for Starc's concussion last year. I don't think it was worth 3-weeks and he was a little unlucky to collect a player which concussion issues. I think it's this kind of incident that is introduced some tribunal judgement on applying the penalty.
Starcevich dazed again in worrying signs for star

 

[braddsey]

Okay so theoretically we could have these players, genuine best 23 or close to, unavailable this week?

Draper, Clugga, Payne, Hippy, Bailey, Gardiner, Andrews, Doedee, Answerth.

I don't think you can class Tom Doedee as best 23. He hasn't played footy for a few years now. Hopefully this is the season he works himself back into confidence and contention. I would also be putting a line through Payne and Hippy as current best 23. They're both LTI (even though they're both on our list).
I'll allow Draper and Answerth. They're both close and in contention and should get a start as soon as they're both declared fit.

 

[Perrip]

Good listening here from Zita about why we're challenging both suspensions and not Bailey.

 

[wantok]

forgot Dunks
5 on bench

Whoops

 

[mpal6]

There are times we left a cluster of Dogs players (3-4) in the middle who were able to chain and go forward. May be our midfield was doing too much forward of the ball running leaving Dogs free? not sure what was going on there but watching in tv it looked weird that so many Dogs players were free in the middle.

May be it's a tactic too against us. block up the center, make us go wide and around but try to halve the contest on the outside and then dash back through all the free numbers in the middle. Considering we were rusty that going via outside wasn't up to the mark in OR. I'm sure our coaches will analyze and adjust in the coming rounds.

 

[martinson]

Good listening here from Zita about why we're challenging both suspensions and not Bailey.

Harris's just looked ordinary to me. We'll need to do a lot of talking.

Naughton put the mayo all over that one but Dizz gets a week for just being dumb. There barely looked any contact to me but why do it when he's already marked the ball ?

Dizz could get off I'd say. The 50m is what irks me.

 

[Section 5]

I think the club are going in with, we deserve 2 of the three but not all three
Their aim would be to get Dizzy off, so they also challenged Andrews. Hopefully walk away with 1 win out of 2.
If they challenged Bailey and Dizzy that probably does not get one of those off.

In my opinion the Bailey action will be seen 100 times in the year but only an unlucky few will cop a ban.
His opponent also gave Bailey an elbow to the head after the fact. So, deliberate, high, intentional, low contact.
But just a pushing action over Baileys throwing action. In saying that i would not like to see him suspended even though his forceful tackle over the boundary line when the ball came free was what irked Bailey

Andrews: Can't see him getting it reduced.
But who knows with the MRO

Dizzy diz. This nickname should be used in our defense
From one angle it looks like he gives opponent an elbow to the head. But that is a bit of an illusion
The other angle has the wrist/forearm hitting on and just above the shoulder area then slipping up higher onto the head.
Carless & High contact: High a free kick every time. Late a 50-meter free every time.
Just low impact and not medium impact in my opinion.

 

[irel]

I’m genuinely surprised that everyone is accepting Harris’ three‑week suspension. Harris has always been a solid, reliable bloke, and that should carry some weight in this decision. A suspension of this length feels excessive and unnecessary. Good blokes like Harris, who consistently show character and contribute positively, shouldn’t be treated this way.

 

[Sauce Merrett]

Gardiner will get it off. Harris down to 2 weeks.

Heard it here first.

 

[mpal6]

I’m genuinely surprised that everyone is accepting Harris’ three‑week suspension. Harris has always been a solid, reliable bloke, and that should carry some weight in this decision. A suspension of this length feels excessive and unnecessary. Good blokes like Harris, who consistently show character and contribute positively, shouldn’t be treated this way.

It's not due to Harris in my opinion, but more of grading and where it ranks in the matrix.

Was the impact severe? Bloke is concussed, didn't play rest of the game - so yes
Was it high? yes it was.
Was it intentional/careless? either way it's looking 3 weeks.

Harris was crouched but since the swing was behind his back where he can't see - it's hard to make an argument on duty of care. The only point I can think of making is it wasn't a clenched fist, there was no intention to harm someone but more trying to impede his run. Not sure how far that'll get us along with the "good bloke Harris" argument.

Since it's OR, I fear they'll love to make an example of throwing the book at him and put the comp on notice.

 

[M Malice]

It's not due to Harris in my opinion, but more of grading and where it ranks in the matrix.

Was the impact severe? Bloke is concussed, didn't play rest of the game - so yes
Was it high? yes it was.
Was it intentional/careless? either way it's looking 3 weeks.

Harris was crouched but since the swing was behind his back where he can't see - it's hard to make an argument on duty of care. The only point I can think of making is it wasn't a clenched fist, there was no intention to harm someone but more trying to impede his run. Not sure how far that'll get us along with the "good bloke Harris" argument.

Since it's OR, I fear they'll love to make an example of throwing the book at him and put the comp on notice.

If they automatically grade the impact as severe when there is a concussion that really is a joke, some people are concussed easier than others eg Starcevich.

There is no doubt in my mind that the exact incident on Saturday night on a different player may not have resulted in a concussion, surely intent and common sense from the tribunal has to come into it.

You bring up a great point re no clenched fist, if there was animus from Harris he would of had his fist clenched, hopefully that is part of our defence strategy.

 

[Perrip]

 

[Elixuh]

Tom14 it’s your time now.

 

[Tom14]

Tom14 it’s your time now.

 

[braddsey]

It's not due to Harris in my opinion, but more of grading and where it ranks in the matrix.

Was the impact severe? Bloke is concussed, didn't play rest of the game - so yes
Was it high? yes it was.
Was it intentional/careless? either way it's looking 3 weeks.

Harris was crouched but since the swing was behind his back where he can't see - it's hard to make an argument on duty of care. The only point I can think of making is it wasn't a clenched fist, there was no intention to harm someone but more trying to impede his run. Not sure how far that'll get us along with the "good bloke Harris" argument.

Since it's OR, I fear they'll love to make an example of throwing the book at him and put the comp on notice.

This is the relevant change to the tribunal guidelines for 2026:

(B) GRADING FOR ‘IMPACT ’Introducing a provision that whilst an Intentional or Careless act causing a concussion will usually be graded as Severe Impact, when other factors relevant to Impact, including the observable level of force, are more consistent with a lesser impact grading (e.g. High Impact or Medium Impact) a lesser impact grading may be imposed for a Careless act.

I think this could be the kind of area where the tribunal can apply the "other factors". This wasn't a situation where a player chose to bump instead of tackle. Harris was looking to impede a players access to the ball. He clearly knew he was there having sighted him in his peripheral over his left shoulder but wouldn't have known or considered in the split second that Jones is 20cm shorter and coming in low. It's a category that doesn't exist in the MRO charge sheet, but I would call is "accidental" rather than "careless".

The "observable level of force" may be argued - Harris didn't **** his elbow or clench his fist (apparently bigfooty doesn't allow him to **** his elbow, so i'll go with "point" instead), he just caught Jones flush on his cheekbone and Jones has been cleared of any facial injuries.

 

[Toffee Lion]

I didn't realise we had Annable locked in a cage. Lucky he is being unleashed though.

 

[Dalions]

How long do we think Fagan gives Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

27

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

to come up to speed or become more mobile before being “soft dropped”?
Looked at times as though he was stuck in mud in the weekend.
Took a while that he persisted with Day last year.

 

[M Malice]

How long do we think Fagan gives Oscar Allen to come up to speed or become more mobile before being “soft dropped”?
Looked at times as though he was stuck in mud in the weekend.
Took a while that he persisted with Day last year.

I was saying to my daughter at the game that OA has an unusual gait, doesn't look smooth and/or looks sore.