News Gabba Upgrade & Olympics News

[Perrip]

In my opinion Suncorp should not get any upgrade other than maintenance and what's needed for the media.

There's an article in the Courier Mail today saying the Broncos & a private company Harvey Lister is boss of, I forget the name, want to upgrade Suncorp prior to 2032. Primarily upgrade the facilities & technology at Suncorp rather than the capacity.

 

[mighty_lions]

In my opinion Suncorp should not get any upgrade other than maintenance and what's needed for the media. That will be expensive enough. Same applies to The Gabba.
So that means a slight drop in Suncorp capacity.
Although The Gabba has arears that can be utilized for the media space needed. Not necessarily in the sections mentioned below. But utilize the space and move things around. Those being The Verandah and that huge advertising sign above the interchange bench blocking the view from existing seating. Both interchanges to come down too.

Any grand plans for Suncorp will have a big blowout effect on the minor venues budget which is under strain before anything has been built
Suncorp will be packed for the footy games which the venue is designed for.

What they are planning to do at Rocky will completely blow the minor venues budget to start with. No need to add Suncorp to the list. Getting all the other minor venues (new and upgraded) anywhere close to budget will be a huge effort

I don't see swimming going anywhere but where it's planned next to the Centenary pool.

The Suncorp upgrade won’t be in the Olympics budget, I can see it being 1bill+ They will spin it somehow

I just had a look and it took 36 days to construct the Paris pool so it’s not possible to turn around, it has been be fixed in places already

There will be 17 sessions for swimming

The other option is soccer could go to Victoria park for the finals after athletics just as rugby 7s was at state de France and possibly will be Victoria park also

 

[mighty_lions]

The only caveat on swimming at Suncorp would be where would the opening ceremony be?

LA are hosting it at 2 venues the coliseum and sofi and I thought that we would do something similar given our seating capacity is relatively small, they could have Suncorp and Victoria park but obviously not if there’s a swimming pool in it

 

[M Malice]

BHA.

 

[Section 5]

There's an article in the Courier Mail today saying the Broncos & a private company Harvey Lister is boss of, I forget the name, want to upgrade Suncorp prior to 2032. Primarily upgrade the facilities & technology at Suncorp rather than the capacity.

No surprise there.
Lister just wants to further extend his hold on Lang Park management and in the future likely the new BEC at Wooloongabba
I believe his Lang Park contract expires in 2027, one that they (ASM Global) have held for about 25 years

https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/abc-report-scrutinises-asm-globals-management-of-queenslands-major-venues

https://suncorpstadium.com.au/about/news/asm-global-re-appointed-as-managers-of-suncorp-stadium

 

[Perrip]

The 60 minute recording of Bleijie's 2032 Delivery Plan Update is up on the Queensland Media Club's YouTube channel.
His speech has already been reported on but the Q&A part may have interesting titbits.

 

[Crimso]

One thing they have to get right is the acoustics for the goal songs.

 

[Jivlain]

Orange X - New Pool
Red - Driving range
Pink - Approximate E- W
Green - Approximate New Stadium

Looks like they or someone else may intend planting a lot of trees in the barren grass areas.


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All those trees will hamper the natural beauty of the driving range. And will the city still be able to breathe?

 

[dlanod]

All those trees will hamper the natural beauty of the driving range. And will the city still be able to breathe?

On the contrary, those trees will make my golf driving feel right at home. I like to paint with the palette of the whole golf course, not just those pedestrian fairways.

 

[Perrip]

New concept image of Vic Park from the Queensland Government reported by Fairfax media.
What Victoria Park construction means for inner-city bike path detours

Conceptual image of Victoria Park, near the Brisbane Stadium, Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic venue. Queensland Government

 

[Section 5]

New concept image of Vic Park from the Queensland Government reported by Fairfax media.
What Victoria Park construction means for inner-city bike path detours
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SVP please note 5 trees saved already
That's Mr. Ripper trying his hand at bird photography in the offseason

On a serious note, they really need to put out more images like this on what VP will hopefully look like post stadium build
They would have a reasonable idea of the finished product.
It does not matter if it the site ends up different to the images produced.
Just keep releasing something "green" positive

This then counters the brown construction treeless images that SVP and others will put out over the next few years.

What's missing in the above image is 50+ Ibis clogging and stinking up the waterway.
It was okay the last time i was there but i have not visited in the breeding season
They really need to start taking the eggs to stop more birds making it their home.
I do bird photography and there are lots of places in Brisbane with not all that much water but have a good variety of bird life other than stinky Ibis.
You really need to see and smell an Ibis nesting overload to know what i am talking about.

 

[weevil]

New concept image of Vic Park from the Queensland Government reported by Fairfax media.
What Victoria Park construction means for inner-city bike path detours
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Hey, that can't be true because Save Victoria Park said it would look like this.



I mean, sure, for some reason the SVP stadium measures 350 meters across, whereas Optus is only 280 meters.

...And they gave it the largest concourse of any stadium known to man.

...And rather than simply building the stadium into the giant gully, SVP, for some reason, decided it was perfectly realistic to fill the gully with billions of litres of concrete and then perch a giant stadium, painted the opposite colour to everything else around it, on top of that.

All hyper-ironically under the title Stadium Renders Mislead Public.

Projection is a thing boys and girls.

 

[Perrip]

On a serious note, they really need to put out more images like this on what VP will hopefully look like post stadium build
They would have a reasonable idea of the finished product.
It does not matter if it the site ends up different to the images produced.
Just keep releasing something "green" positive

This then counters the brown construction treeless images that SVP and others will put out over the next few years.

These are the sort of images we'll get as more is revealed about the masterplan for the wider Victoria Park precinct. I haven't seen the above image published on any government site yet though.

All hyper-ironically under the title Stadium Renders Mislead Public.
Projection is a thing boys and girls.

It's the expected outcome really. They made so many claims about what was going to be in this masterplan, and what Victoria Park would look like post-2032, while there was zero information on what Arup was planning. It's why people against the stadium keep calling any official designs or renders "AI" and "greenwashing" because the assumptions they made have no basis in reality

 

[Section 5]

There is discussion on another site talking about the new Brisbane Bus Metro should be able to easily handle the crowds. Quoting the new Metro bus capacity etc, etc.

I don't see that being the case at all. Far from it actually.

At present there are only 60 Metro buses. They are needed to keep up with the 2/3-minute frequency required.

Maximum Metro bus passengers in event mode are 170 people (150 normal peak).

There is no plan to increase that 60 number in the next 6 years except a note that some smaller electric feeder buses may be added to the network.

The business case for any extension to the Metro is due in 2028. No way a "more routes/new look" built network will be ready for the Olympics on that timeframe.

Let's assume (60 buses in total) that 30 buses are available after the event going north and another 30 going south.

At present they arrive every 2/3 minutes and likely that's the maximum frequency anyhow. So, no parking of unused Metro buses is likely to happen

It would take about 2 minutes (a guess but on the conservative side) to cram 170 into each bus. Human nature people hate moving up to make room for others. I see this happening at every Gabba game. Any wheelchairs will take longer.

You can get 2 at a station at one time but likely not 3 as other route services on the smaller bus fleet are also needed.

30 buses per hour (every 2 minutes) x 170 passengers = 5,100 passenger per hour or 10,200 both ways.

That's assuming the bus arrives empty which it won't.

But wait is it worth getting on them anyhow. Using the present terminus points no way would you bother.

M2 - Starts at UQ Lakes terminates at Royal Brisbane Hospital (just one stop from Herston station so just walk to RBH)

M1 - Start Eight-Mile Plains terminates Roma Street Station (so you will have to walk from the stadium to Roma Street)

Also remember if you try catching a bus at Herston station going south to the city and UQ Lakes it won't stop at QUT station as it will be full. It could also be full before Herston station anyhow with people already getting on at RBWH so could bypass both those stations

Same applies if you try catching a bus at QUT to go north it won't stop at Herston going north as it will be full or will it. Reason being at present that service terminates at the RBH station just one stop past Herston. Why bother lining up at QUT to go 2 stops.

Looks like it will be the smaller buses once again taking the people via the Inner Northern Busway. That's assuming they can handle extra buses going through the underground CBD bus stations that would have some sort of limit per hour.

A new VP rail station to ease the congestion anyone

 

[lionraven]

I dont think there should be a specific public transport stop right next to the stadium. If there is one stop next to the station that incentivises people to only use that one stop to come and immediately leave the stadium after the event. There is no reason to use any of the other stops or linger around. You just immediately leave your event to enter a queue to leave. This is what largely happens at the Gabba. You see the Lions. Some wait for the song, others leg it to the bus stop. Some might linger for kick to kick (if it happens) but by then you are waiting 20 minutes for a bus. Few people actually attend anything nearby (and rarely is anything open at night).

The point that those architects in the above podcast made is they want to improve the connectivity between the stadium and the park and between the park and the surrounding stations. The idea is that instead of what happens above at the Gabba, you are incentivised to walk through the park to the Valley, the city, QUT Kelvin Grove or Herston. You end up dispersing the crowd and some people will make use of amenities or event venues at those sites.

To me that makes perfect sense. Particularly if they have some good covered pathways between those sites and the park itself. I like that walk between the MCG and Richmond station. There is a chance to enjoy the fresh air in Yarra Park and by the time you get to the station the crowd had petered out a bit.

If they get the connection bit right I could see people using the connected pathways around the park to run/exercise etc during the week. On game day people are incentivised to actually use the park. They could pick and choose if they want to go to the city or valley afterwards rather than just go home.

Putting a station next to the park causes the same issues as what we see at the Gabba. There is no reason to go anywhere else or walk around the park during game day. During non event days the new station would get very little use whilst taking up time and delaying train routes.

 

[Section 5]

I dont think there should be a specific public transport stop right next to the stadium. If there is one stop next to the station that incentivises people to only use that one stop to come and immediately leave the stadium after the event. There is no reason to use any of the other stops or linger around. You just immediately leave your event to enter a queue to leave. This is what largely happens at the Gabba. You see the Lions. Some wait for the song, others leg it to the bus stop. Some might linger for kick to kick (if it happens) but by then you are waiting 20 minutes for a bus. Few people actually attend anything nearby (and rarely is anything open at night).

The point that those architects in the above podcast made is they want to improve the connectivity between the stadium and the park and between the park and the surrounding stations. The idea is that instead of what happens above at the Gabba, you are incentivised to walk through the park to the Valley, the city, QUT Kelvin Grove or Herston. You end up dispersing the crowd and some people will make use of amenities or event venues at those sites.

To me that makes perfect sense. Particularly if they have some good covered pathways between those sites and the park itself. I like that walk between the MCG and Richmond station. There is a chance to enjoy the fresh air in Yarra Park and by the time you get to the station the crowd had petered out a bit.

If they get the connection bit right I could see people using the connected pathways around the park to run/exercise etc during the week. On game day people are incentivised to actually use the park. They could pick and choose if they want to go to the city or valley afterwards rather than just go home.

Putting a station next to the park causes the same issues as what we see at the Gabba. There is no reason to go anywhere else or walk around the park during game day. During non event days the new station would get very little use whilst taking up time and delaying train routes.

I agree with a lot you are saying and Arup should come up with something great. VP will be used 7 days a week as you have indicated. Especially in sections that nobody bothers going to now because it is far too hilly to walk around. It will be fantastic when completed. Most likely looking its best 5+ years after the Olympics.

I am more interested in how things will work in legacy mode.
For the Olympics they can find a whole chunk of Victoria Park to have a bus parking area/terminal/designated suburb etc.
Could easily be where the present car park is now.
Just dig that section up after the Olympics and return it to parkland.
Not a great look but will help disperse the Olympic crowds for 2 months. Could have 60k x 2 sessions on Super Saturday

I have no doubt that getting to Roma Street will be a much easier walk than we have now and will be the major walking destination as Roma Street rail station services every line. Also has a bus station.
Arup should easily find good access to Exhibition Station. How much room around that station for queuing when you arrive may be a problem.
However major works on that brand-new station will be required to cope with any sort of large crowd.
Security will be tight at this station too as it likely borders on the Athletes Village area.
I don't think there is anything they can do to ease the hilly walk to Central other than going via what's planned for the Roma Street walkway.
The Valley rail access from Arup will be very difficult to get a good pedestrian balance sharing with that main road.
This is the one Arup need to get right if they don't want to build a new rail station.

On a new rail station. People will have to queue and wait somewhere so it may as well be a rail station. I assume this happens at Marvel and the MCG.
It is quite possible that a new station will mostly carry passengers living on the cross-river-rail planned stations.
What i mean by that is people will eventually get to know what not to do and what is the best solution to get you home or elsewhere.
No real point in queuing at VP rail station to just have to get off at Roma Street then find the platform you need for a connection. Easier for most people to just walk to Roma Street
Same going the other direction getting off two stations later at Albion to get a connection. Just walk to either Roma Street or The Valley for a direct ride home.
That's why i think a new station will eventually carry mostly people that live/park on those CRR lines with no connection needed. That is still going to be a lot of people but easily managed. So, after some teething problems with the public sorting things out themselves the queuing won't be as bad as most people might think being located close to the stadium.

In my opinion with a new rail station, we won't get the same situation as currently experienced at the Gabba that you alluded to. The new stadium will be better planned.
The Gabba closes their bus station for 1 hour after the game. It only services two routes during this time. This won't happen at VP. Every bus station stays open
The Train station at Southbank is hardly used by patrons going to the Gabba. At least 3 train stations available at VP closer than Southbank is to The Gabba

The main difference is The Gabba holds 37k and the Stadium holds 63k so a lot more people to disperse

 

[Section 5]

I assume these LA Olympic ticket prices are US$
On sale 2 years before the games start

LA 2028 Olympic organizers say 1m tickets will be available for $28

Tickets for the 2028 Los Angeles Olympic Games will go on sale to the general public on 9 April, organizers said on Monday

www.theguardian.com

LA28’s programme will include 1m tickets priced at $28, the lowest price point. Roughly 5% of the Olympic tickets will cost over $1,000, while more than 75% of all tickets, including finals, will be under $400 and nearly 50% of all tickets will be under $200.

 

[M Malice]

I assume these LA Olympic ticket prices are US$
On sale 2 years before the games start

LA 2028 Olympic organizers say 1m tickets will be available for $28

Tickets for the 2028 Los Angeles Olympic Games will go on sale to the general public on 9 April, organizers said on Monday

www.theguardian.com

LA28’s programme will include 1m tickets priced at $28, the lowest price point. Roughly 5% of the Olympic tickets will cost over $1,000, while more than 75% of all tickets, including finals, will be under $400 and nearly 50% of all tickets will be under $200.

This will be a once in a lifetime event for Brisbane in 2032, I will be wanting to go to some events... I have no idea how much it would actually cost by then but I would be willing to pay over $1500.00 for a seat at an event I would be very interested in eg. 1500/800/5,000/10,000 meter track semi finals/final.

Would not pay anywhere near that much for a peripheral event that I would go to just for the experience and the atmosphere.

 

[dlanod]

$30 for something fringe with a lot of space like synchronised archery or equestrian kayaking seems fine - we did the Melbourne Commonwealth Games way back when like that, get to go to more events and have the experience as a whole.

 

[M Malice]

$30 for something fringe with a lot of space like synchronised archery or equestrian kayaking seems fine - we did the Melbourne Commonwealth Games way back when like that, get to go to more events and have the experience as a whole.

Equestrian kayaking , hilarious mental images.

 

[mighty_lions]

This will be a once in a lifetime event for Brisbane in 2032, I will be wanting to go to some events... I have no idea how much it would actually cost by then but I would be willing to pay over $1500.00 for a seat at an event I would be very interested in eg. 1500/800/5,000/10,000 meter track semi finals/final.

Would not pay anywhere near that much for a peripheral event that I would go to just for the experience and the atmosphere.

I will post about when it is closer

1. Register
2. You will be then sent an email if you are chosen successfully to have a window to log in and buy tickets
3. The first phase usually you have to buy a bundle of 3 events, there is a total allotment maximum tickets per account for LA its 12 maximum tickets per account
4. There will be further phases of ticket drops along the way so dont stress if you miss out first, in fact its probably better because the initial phase is often expensive categories

The swimming/track cycling is the hardest to get because of the size capacity of the stadiums. It is why I have pushed for Suncorp to be used for swimming 40k vs 25k and cycling at a veldrome has a smaller seating capacity

I think most people would be able to get tickets to athletics but 60k seat stadium it still could be a challenge, the highest ticket price was about $1500 for swimming in Paris and same for athletics but lower category seating was still possible

 

[Perrip]

Brenden Wood [Digital Editor of the Daily Telegraph] shared a video of his walkthrough of Victoria Park on twitter. There are are signs in certain parts of the park saying site investigations are taking place.
Also reckons the stadium will be built where the driving range/golf complex is now.

 

[M Malice]

Went for an early morning walk this morning and we sat pretty much where we think the outer ring or concourse of the Olympic stadium will be, on a small retaining wall outside the function centre... long wait to Round 1 2033.

Could not imagine a better site for this precinct to be, it is a hell of a large space.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

Went for an early morning walk this morning and we sat pretty much where we think the outer ring or concourse of the Olympic stadium will be, on a small retaining wall outside the function centre... long wait to Round 1 2033.
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Could not imagine a better site for this precinct to be, it is a hell of a large space.

Stunning location, great way to start the day hey. Hey if you found a tilteist no. 5 looking about 20 years old it’s probably mine. Always in the rough
I wonder how much of the original Barrambin ideas of the park will be used.
I’m thinking maybe things like the mountain bike trail may be discarded considering something from the original plan has to be removed.
Still a massive area to work with.
I’m hoping the lagoons will be kept and reforestation of multiple areas as well.
Haven’t paid much attention myself lately but just read a section of the park on the east side of the byway had been upgraded and completed in 2024
Might have a look over Easter
Take the border collie for a walk

 

[Perrip]

Stunning location, great way to start the day hey. Hey if you found a tilteist no. 5 looking about 20 years old it’s probably mine. Always in the rough
I wonder how much of the original Barrambin ideas of the park will be used.
I’m thinking maybe things like the mountain bike trail may be discarded considering something from the original plan has to be removed.
Still a massive area to work with.
I’m hoping the lagoons will be kept and reforestation of multiple areas as well.
Haven’t paid much attention myself lately but just read a section of the park on the east side of the byway had been upgraded and completed in 2024
Might have a look over Easter
Take the border collie for a walk

We already have one confirmed change from the BCC plan, other than Olympic venues. The golf complex is being completely removed. Sounds like the new Urban Pump Track in the North West corner of the park will be kept too.