Society/Culture Greens vow to move Australia Day

[Scotland]

A huge factor in Trump's election were the rust belt states like Ohio and Michigan swinging red after he promised jobs coming back to them.

The problem was that they are never coming back. Manufacturing is dead in most MDCs. But it's easier to blame China than to take steps to create jobs.

Trump has a point that the Chinese have been taking jerbs for years, but it's not like they snuck up behind the US' back and did it.

'America first' (when haven't they been) is a good position from your leader if you are an American, provided your leader isn't a complete moron - which he of course is.

 

[Forward Press]

Trump has a point that the Chinese have been taking jerbs for years, but it's not like they snuck up behind the US' back and did it.

'America first' (when haven't they been) is a good position from your leader if you are an American, provided your leader isn't a complete moron - which he of course is.

Yes, he's correct in that regard, but he's incorrect in his belief he can bring those blue collar jobs back. They went to China for a reason - cheaper wages, less regulation, and the consumers are okay in paying lower prices for inferior quality. Who can blame businesses for fleeing the US (and Australia) for Asia?

And yet the conservative parties around the world are sometimes perceived to side with the working class.

 

[Scotland]

Yes, he's correct in that regard, but he's incorrect in his belief he can bring those blue collar jobs back. They went to China for a reason - cheaper wages, less regulation, and the consumers are okay in paying lower prices for inferior quality. Who can blame businesses for fleeing the US (and Australia) for Asia?

And yet the conservative parties around the world are sometimes perceived to side with the working class.

Yeah you can't escape the fundamentals. Tariffs (not that I am a big fan) are more effective before the offshoring is in full swing.

The US is a bit different to here with a larger pool of workers and consumers so they have a better chance of competing in some industries, but if the Chinese can produce something for a fraction of the cost you can it makes it pretty hard to compete.

IMO no one really cares about the working class any more. John Howard swung plenty of Labor voters into voting Liberal in the 90s and 2000s by selling that they'd be better off by virtue of the Liberals creating more jobs and handing out more money - both of which occurred - and both of which were a function of circumstance. As much as politicians like to pat themselves on the back you can't manufacture favourable economic conditions out of thin air.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Perhaps but conservative movements convincing the working class that it's the immigrants and the hippies and the communists that are the enemy is one of the greatest tricks they've pulled.

If non-conservatives are voting that way then the options on the left are doing something wrong.

 

[Forward Press]

If non-conservatives are voting that way then the options on the left are doing something wrong.

Need to fire the marketing department.

Much of the disaffected left are already voting Greens - they've hovered at 10% for a while now. The problem is getting that swinging middle class to vote for them and let's face it, the perception is of a party of communists and environmentalists and that doesn't sit right for the average voter.

 

[tandino]

Need to fire the marketing department.

Much of the disaffected left are already voting Greens - they've hovered at 10% for a while now. The problem is getting that swinging middle class to vote for them and let's face it, the perception is of a party of communists and environmentalists and that doesn't sit right for the average voter.

The mortgage belt and inner city types aren't exactly natural bedfellows either.

 

[edgie]

You know what Aboriginal people want? Their land not raped and pillaged for profit.

There is a such thing as the inner city aboriginal person too that has become just as out of touch as their white brethren.

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[Pessimistic]

Pray tell, what is a mass employer of unskilled labour that is not in manufacturing?

manufacturing today has very few unskilled jobs even in China

 

[Pessimistic]

Need to fire the marketing department.

Much of the disaffected left are already voting Greens - they've hovered at 10% for a while now. The problem is getting that swinging middle class to vote for them and let's face it, the perception is of a party of communists and environmentalists and that doesn't sit right for the average voter.

Both by booth swings in Victoria (mainly Melbourne) is very enlightening. It’s a million miles from the trump thing too

 

[Fat Yak]

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price

13 mins ·
Well of course!!! I’ve always said it’s a loud minority who protest and want to change the date. As I’ve said before Aboriginal people from the NT want unity not division. We want ways forward with the rest of our country and we want to celebrate what is great about our country! Di Natale and all you out of touch Greens wake up to yourselves! All you protestors down south take note! All you mob saying Jacinta Price doesn’t speak for me take note! I speak for those who I’ve listened to, for everyday Australians black, white or what ever colour who strive for decency, unity, common sense and forward movement together as one country!


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‘I want to change my people’: Yothu Yindi support Australia Day on January 26
One of the band’s founders said he does not support protests on the national holiday or changing the date.

 

[Frank Bunn]

 

[Pessimistic]

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Carbon dating?

 

[madmug]

It would be nice if our flag, national day and head of state weren't shrouded in British imagery

These things are images of the nation. Its historic. Its about ceremony & you can't change our history.

Of course over time our nation has changed. The 'conservative' resistance to recognising that change is the root of the problem.

January 26th hasn't always been Australia day. It was called 'landing day' by all accounts. But the Conservatives shroud it in ceremony as 'Australia day'.

The Conservatives will fight tooth & nail to keep the 'British' part of out heritage at the forefront. That you can bet on.

 

[Gough]

It's been a pretty one sided debate this year with those supporting the status quo screaming at the top of their voice to general indifference. It does give you a good insight into the PM's priorities though.

 

[Ron The Bear]

The Conservatives will fight tooth & nail to keep the 'British' part of out heritage at the forefront. That you can bet on.

Our heritage is integral to our national identity. On the other hand the Greens would rule a line and start a brand new country, much as some on this forum believe football commenced with a name change in 1990.

 

[Mofra]

Pray tell, what is a mass employer of unskilled labour that is not in manufacturing?

Construction?
Coincidentally, America's road (and bridge) system is in dire need of maintenance.

 

[Father Jack]

Our heritage is integral to our national identity. On the other hand the Greens would rule a line and start a brand new country, much as some on this forum believe football commenced with a name change in 1990.

No, just a way to more accurately reflect a modern Australian Australia as opposed to the olde timey British one

 

[nobbyiscool]

so a poll has finally been done on this issue and 75% don't want it to move.

Another loony left idea that got way too much play in the press for no reason.

Are you seriously quoting an IPA poll as though it's genuine and provided an unequivocal result?

Irrespective of what the actual number would be, the whole issue is about white Australians telling Indigenous Australians what's good for them, and what they're allowed to be offended by. So it doesn't actually matter what we think, does it?

 

[Balls In]

Are you seriously quoting an IPA poll as though it's genuine and provided an unequivocal result?

Irrespective of what the actual number would be, the whole issue is about white Australians telling Indigenous Australians what's good for them, and what they're allowed to be offended by. So it doesn't actually matter what we think, does it?

I'm surprised its only 75% in favour of sticking to the 26th. Time for a plebiscite to put this embarrassing navel gazing to bed.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I'm surprised its only 75% in favour of sticking to the 26th. Time for a plebiscite to put this embarrassing navel gazing to bed.

What would a plebiscite prove? The only thing it could prove is the extent to which the majority-white Australia who don't understand Indigenous connection to land and kin think Indigenous people should get back in their box.

It needs to come from a political leader with the backbone to acknowledge that it was a day of mourning for Aboriginal people decades before it was a national holiday.

 

[Benny78]

I don't want it moved because it implies we did something wrong. Over history cultures wipe out other cultures and form countries. The only difference here is the British Monarchy was the first example of democracy and didn't wipe out this culture and decided to co exist.

Aboriginies simply need to accept they lost that battle and it's in the past. It's not their land anymore and they live under the crown. No one alive today should be saying sorry for anything. There's no giving land back or anything like that. The land now belongs to the crown and has for over 200 years. Aboriginies are part of that Commonwealth nation whether they like it or not.

I don't really know what they're actually asking for other than attention or empowerment. Are they asking us to packup and leave and go back to the bush? Surely not because that would be absolutely shithouse. It's clear they are crazy and paranoid and believe every white person around them thinks they're inferior/lesser and that's why we have to suffer with their racism.

 

[Balls In]

What would a plebiscite prove? The only thing it could prove is the extent to which the majority-white Australia who don't understand Indigenous connection to land and kin think Indigenous people should get back in their box.

It needs to come from a political leader with the backbone to acknowledge that it was a day of mourning for Aboriginal people decades before it was a national holiday.

Everyday is a day of mourning for aboriginal people. But until we invent a time machine there's nothing that can be done about it. Plus it was inevitable that Australia would be colonised. Could have been infinitely worse.

 

[its free real estate]

Construction?

Fairy flimsy long term, you run out of things to build. Maybe a wall would help.

Coincidentally, America's road (and bridge) system is in dire need of maintenance.

True.

 

[madmug]

No, just a way to more accurately reflect a modern Australian Australia as opposed to the olde timey British one

This was always going to be another never ending issue. The Conservatives want to keep the 'Britishness' but basically ignore our Aboriginal background. our strong Irish background as well. But also the many other ethnicities who have come here at different periods. particularly the Chinese, but all the other Europeans & more lately the Vietnamese & now African nationalities.

The country has changed greatly. 26th January is really 'landing day'. It morphed into Australia day in order to keep the Britishness to to the fore.

It'll look even sillier in the future as Australia become more Asian & part of Asia again. As it was prior to colonisation.

 

[its free real estate]

As Australia becomes more Asian, even less attention will be paid to the problems of the indigenous, because the immigrants from China and India and elsewhere will lack any of the baggage that those who descended from white settlers.