The Liberal Party - How long?

[Lebbo73]

Amazing. Government now saying that they will support the disability RC in the House and that they would have supported it today, but instead they filibustered their own Parliament because that's just the kind of mood they were in. Utter joke.

Why do we need a Royal Commission into disability? Just a question I’m throwing out there as I don’t know much about this.

 

[Vader]

Amazing. Government now saying that they will support the disability RC in the House and that they would have supported it today, but instead they filibustered their own Parliament because that's just the kind of mood they were in. Utter joke.

Somebody woke up and realised that voting against this one would be a political disaster for them, having already voted against the banking RC on 26 occasions. It would also have been their 2nd lost vote in 3 days, something which could very well have convinced the cross-bench to support a no-confidence motion. They find the idea of backing a Labor bill to be anathema, but it's still better than complete suicide.

Mind you, it took them long enough to come to their senses. They voted against it in the Senate, then spent all afternoon filibustering to prevent the vote. It was only after the filibustering that the one solitary brain cell in the collective COALition minds fired a synapse and realised that supporting the RC was actually the right thing to be doing.

This must be almost the first time in 6 years that the COALition have done "the right thing"?

 

[Dry Rot]

Great comment i saw

The last, desperate, death throes of a corrupt, incompetent regime.

ScoMoFo continues to smirk smugly, arrogantly lying to the electorate. Cash is being hammered in the courtroom, little Timmy Wilson (former “Freedom Commissioner”!!!) is misusing OUR money to demonise Labor Party policy & Michael Keenan (former “Justice Minister”!!!) has again been accused of misleading Parliament.

Barnaby is almost certainly responsible for the near death of the Murray Darling, Dutton has somehow managed to further damage the reputation of “Queensland Coppers” & Abbott is STILL having a major influence in our political system!

Our environment is being destroyed, our democracy is on its knees & there are many other Coalition Ministers & parliamentarians “under a cloud”

Aside from those minor blemishes, this LNP govt has clearly been the best govt since WW2 and I for one will be voting for them.

 

[NTRabbit]

Why do we need a Royal Commission into disability? Just a question I’m throwing out there as I don’t know much about this.

The same reason as the aged care royal commission in SA, to expose abuse, violence, and other injustices in the sector, particularly against those who can't do anything about it themselves.

 

[Dry Rot]

Why do we need a Royal Commission into disability?

Because if 45-47% of the population are still willing to vote for this govt, then the level of mental illness and disability out there is far, far higher than estimated.

 

[CakeEater]

Why do we need a Royal Commission into disability? Just a question I’m throwing out there as I don’t know much about this.

It’s about abuse incurred by disabled folk in government facilities.

 

[Father Jack]

The LNP are fast approaching the point where it will hurt the cross-bench to not support a vote of no confidence

 

[Carringbush2010]

Welcome to the Westminster system of parliamentary democracy.

Best system in the world and it's still

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Because if 45-47% of the population are still willing to vote for this govt, then the level of mental illness and disability out there is far, far higher than estimated.

Gold!

 

[kranky al]

Because if 45-47% of the population are still willing to vote for this govt, then the level of mental illness and disability out there is far, far higher than estimated.

*clap clap clap clap


Actually reading some of the posts on here theres a few truly sociopathic individuals.

One post suggested that recessions are a good thing as they renew businesses and get rid of dead wood.

Like it was toenail clippings or tree bark sloughing off and not tens of thousands of peoples lives ruined and hundreds of thousands out of work. (For that self same person to sneer at and call lazy)

 

[Badesumofu]

The LNP are fast approaching the point where it will hurt the cross-bench to not support a vote of no confidence

I do wonder at what point - the crossbench have said they want the Parliament to go the distance - but obviously they want to be using it to do things, so at what point do they conclude that the executive is only going to frustrate that and agree to VONC them out?

 

[GreyWind]

I do wonder at what point - the crossbench have said they want the Parliament to go the distance - but obviously they want to be using it to do things, so at what point do they conclude that the executive is only going to frustrate that and agree to VONC them out?

As soon as the LNP stops giving them money. Or Bob decides he's not a LNP stooge.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I don't believe it is. I just believe they're paralysed by the fear of it.
Personally I believe any politician that was prepared to say what they think and give actual honest answers would do very well but they're not allowed to exist any more.

Recently retiring john wacka Williams appears to have been one who talks straight and as result comes across well. Doesn’t hurt that he pushed for the banking RC

 

[Crankyhawk]

Umm, have to disagree - I'd think you'd find 90% don't want borderline psycho senators with extreme views being able to debate and effect legislation.

Seeing as you've raised this I hope you don't view people like Di Nitale and Hanson as "necessary" for "checks and balances". These sort of people have extreme and unrealistic views of the way the world should be.

Sure they may "keep the bastards honest" but only to serve their own minority backed ideologies.

What you’d need is the two major parties being willing to work together to pass “sensible” legislation to marginalise the nutters. In practice they would die first than be seen to work with the enemy.

 

[Badesumofu]

The Senate is designed to have whack-jobs in it. It's a place that by its nature allows for minority views to be represented in Parliament. If there's a whack-job in the lower house then they can be voted out by their electorate. You can't vote someone *out* of the Senate, you can only vote people *in* to the Senate, and that appears to be by design.

That it's also set up to make it nearly impossible for one side to get a majority there means that those whack-jobs (and the minority views they represent) will inevitably have some influence. Is this a good thing for our country? Not sure. Stuff like Workchoices happens when one 'team' gets too much control. The Gillard Government showed that you can effectively govern from minority and get things done IF you are good at negotiating with cross-benchers. And to be very honest while I love democracy and think it's great, the risk that it becomes a tyranny of the majority is something I think needs to be kept in check. A system that both ensures minority views will be represented and that those representatives have some influence may well be worthwhile in that light. Keep in mind, neither the Greens nor ONP are capable of actually forming a Government and so they can't get anything through that isn't agreed to by one major party or the other. So their influence can be over-stated at times, I think.

 

[Vader]

Recently retiring john wacka Williams appears to have been one who talks straight and as result comes across well. Doesn’t hurt that he pushed for the banking RC

Unfortunately, I think Wacka is retiring at the next election. I think I read that somewhere recently - I could be wrong.

 

[Vader]

What you’d need is the two major parties being willing to work together to pass “sensible” legislation to marginalise the nutters. In practice they would die first than be seen to work with the enemy.

This isn't actually true. The majority of all legislation passes with bipartisan support. It's only the controversial stuff, where the parties differ, that we hear about in the media.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Unfortunately, I think Wacka is retiring at the next election. I think I read that somewhere recently - I could be wrong.

Yes, for health reasons

 

[Crankyhawk]

This isn't actually true. The majority of all legislation passes with bipartisan support. It's only the controversial stuff, where the parties differ, that we hear about in the media.

I suppose I’m thinking this current government post double dissolution where one asks what legislation has been passed and the cross benchers seem to wield inordinate influence in senate and now HoR as well.
It could be just this dysfunctional government though; hamstrung by themselves, by constitution then by infighting.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

*clap clap clap clap


Actually reading some of the posts on here theres a few truly sociopathic individuals.

One post suggested that recessions are a good thing as they renew businesses and get rid of dead wood.

Like it was toenail clippings or tree bark sloughing off and not tens of thousands of peoples lives ruined and hundreds of thousands out of work. (For that self same person to sneer at and call lazy)

Yes recessions are great when you’ve got a lazy half a mil in cash that you can use to snaffle some once-in-a-lifetime bargains on the stock market.

But 99.9% of Australians don’t fit that demographic so the question is, why are we setting economic policy to satisfy just that tiny sliver of our society?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Yes recessions are great when you’ve got a lazy half a mil in cash that you can use to snaffle some once-in-a-lifetime bargains on the stock market.

But 99.9% of Australians don’t fit that demographic so the question is, why are we setting economic policy to satisfy just that tiny sliver of our society?

Because they are the lib party donors.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Because they are the lib party donors.

Probably. Voters are getting royally reamed by that side of politics but amazingly, 45% of them still haven’t joined the dots.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Probably. Voters are getting royally reamed by that side of politics but amazingly, 45% of them still haven’t joined the dots.

And a lot who fit the demographic won’t donate to the cause now (too toxic and money down drain)

 

[Pessimistic]

*clap clap clap clap


Actually reading some of the posts on here theres a few truly sociopathic individuals.

One post suggested that recessions are a good thing as they renew businesses and get rid of dead wood.

Like it was toenail clippings or tree bark sloughing off and not tens of thousands of peoples lives ruined and hundreds of thousands out of work. (For that self same person to sneer at and call lazy)

Thatcher applied that principle to a whole country. Disgraceful. And try damage in the millions not mere thousands

 

[Gough]

Tell me this isn't shonky, the whole emissions reduction fund used to fund coal thing aside.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...to-upgrade-40-year-old-coal-fired-power-plant

Sunset Power International bought Vales Point from the NSW government for $1m in 2015. Two years later it was re-valued at $730m and last year it reported a net profit of $113m.


Its part-owner, coal power advocate and former National Party candidate Trevor St Baker, has flagged extending its operation beyond its expected closure date of 2029 to 2049. Managing director Greg Everett said prolonging the plant’s life was a $400m decision and had nothing to do with its pitch into the emissions reduction fund.

How stupid are the NSW government selling a 3/4 of a billion dollar asset for just $1 million.