AFLPA Wants To Name and Shame Racist Fans

[TimmeT]

The AFL Players' Association is set to name and shame the fan behind the racially motivated attack on Adelaide star Eddie Betts.

Betts, who has been the target of racism from fans in the past, was again attacked on his personal Instagram account, when a fan commented "monkey see monkey do" on his post from the AFLX.

Following the comment, the Adelaide star received widespread support from the AFL community, particularly from Brownlow Medallist Patrick Dangerfield and fellow indigenous great Shaun Burgoyne.


According to AFLPA CEO Paul Marsh, there is only one way to fully stamp out racism from the game.

"It’s disappointing that you’ve got to resort to this because we don’t know these people but the reality of it is you’re faced with two choices when you see this stuff," Marsh told SEN.


"You either walk past it or you do something about it and we have decided to do something about it. Unfortunately it is name and shame because they are faceless these people.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/aflpa-...ts-abuse/acf9d5ac-86b8-46dc-988a-fc64c07177c5

I understand that the AFLPA shall need to do something to eliminate this blight on the game as it is unacceptable.

The question is so wehat does the AFLPA plan to do in order to avoid the wrong person being targeted on social media and even having personal details released if they aren't the responsible party? Many times previously we have seen the wrong person targeted through similar action and people being left with egg on their face.

I personally think that this is the wrong path to take as it could lead to additional avoidable trouble and incite the same sort of stuff they are trying to eradicate.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/aflpa-...ts-abuse/acf9d5ac-86b8-46dc-988a-fc64c07177c5

I understand that the AFLPA shall need to do something to eliminate this blight on the game as it is unacceptable.

The question is so wehat does the AFLPA plan to do in order to avoid the wrong person being targeted on social media and even having personal details released if they aren't the responsible party? Many times previously we have seen the wrong person targeted through similar action and people being left with egg on their face.

I personally think that this is the wrong path to take as it could lead to additional avoidable trouble and incite the same sort of stuff they are trying to eradicate.

I'm not a fan of this either. Smacks of vigilante justice with all the associated risk. There are laws against racial vilification and the legal process is the best protection we have against unfair outcomes.

Should be a police matter in my view.

 

[RUNVS]

Got no problem with them being named. If these people think they are doing nothing wrong then they should not be concerned with being named either.

 

[Belnakor]

Won't take long until they name the wrong person.

Leave it for the courts.

 

[TimmeT]

Got no problem with them being named. If these people think they are doing nothing wrong then they should not be concerned with being named either.

The issue is though if someone sets up a troll social media account to get back at someone for something. All you need is a picture, name now to set the profile to show limited information and you can be successful.

 

[Virgin Dog]

I have 2 opinions on this:

1. If people are going to project their racist bullshit, then they should be held accountable for it. They don't deserve protection
2. Could invite vigilante justice and harm the families of these ****wits. Not to mention that even 1 misunderstanding or incorrect identification of an individual makes the whole thing a disaster

I think releasing footage or screenshots is probably fine, but outright making announcements of who did it is probably not a great idea, even if it's more or less very similar

 

[Starburns_]

I'm all for it, this shit is getting ridiculous. Turning the tables in such a way would likely be a significant deterrent.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/aflpa-...ts-abuse/acf9d5ac-86b8-46dc-988a-fc64c07177c5

I understand that the AFLPA shall need to do something to eliminate this blight on the game as it is unacceptable.

The question is so wehat does the AFLPA plan to do in order to avoid the wrong person being targeted on social media and even having personal details released if they aren't the responsible party? Many times previously we have seen the wrong person targeted through similar action and people being left with egg on their face.

I personally think that this is the wrong path to take as it could lead to additional avoidable trouble and incite the same sort of stuff they are trying to eradicate.

When exactly has the wrong person been named in the past?

Still, they would have to be absolutely certain as publicly naming and shaming the wrong person as a racist would be defamatory. Can't see the PA taking this course of action without concrete proof.

 

[Starburns_]

The issue is though if someone sets up a troll social media account to get back at someone for something. All you need is a picture, name now to set the profile to show limited information and you can be successful.

Join dates, number of friends/followers, frequency of activity are all pretty easy indicators of a troll account. It doesn't take a genius to sniff one out.

 

[RAPPA]

How about we start by naming the players they test positive to banned substances?

 

[TimmeT]

Join dates, number of friends/followers, frequency of activity are all pretty easy indicators of a troll account. It doesn't take a genius to sniff one out.

You can hide those I am pretty sure now. I can only see mutual friends of some people and you can block your activity through the settings from being shown.

 

[TimmeT]

I'm all for it, this shit is getting ridiculous. Turning the tables in such a way would likely be a significant deterrent.



When exactly has the wrong person been named in the past?

Still, they would have to be absolutely certain as publicly naming and shaming the wrong person as a racist would be defamatory. Can't see the PA taking this course of action without concrete proof.

Here is one exampl

https://gawker.com/the-worst-times-the-media-blamed-the-wrong-people-for-m-1746193847

 

[Teen Wolf]

My suspicion is people who seek out Eddie Betts' instagram account to write messed-up stuff have no shame to begin with, giving these idiots more attention is probably what they want.

 

[Aramis]

Won't take long until they name the wrong person.

Leave it for the courts.

Precisely, not to mention the defamation suit that follows.... AFL et al once again thinking they are bigger than Ben Hur.

 

[Starburns_]

You can hide those I am pretty sure now. I can only see mutual friends of some people and you can block your activity through the settings from being shown.

Twitter and Instagram (which Betts was vilified on) still display enough of this information to make the judgement fairly easily.

I imagine the AFLPA are making this threat specifically as a scare tactic for trolls who make mistakes covering their tracks, or anyone dumb enough to use a personal account.

 

[Starburns_]

Here is one exampl

https://gawker.com/the-worst-times-the-media-blamed-the-wrong-people-for-m-1746193847

I meant in the context that we're discussing here. Most of those instances are acts of poor journalism where proper investigation was overlooked in favour of speed, and thus mistakes were made.

The AFLPA have made this announcement 3 days after the Betts incident. They've had time to dig around and see if it leads to a dead end or not.

In other words, the AFL or AFLPA taking this course of action should be much more accurate than the Herald Sun doing so.

 

[Tas]

In Victoria, we have the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 which covers incidents in public, it should just be left to the police to handle complaints, if they are guilty their name will be on public record unless protected as a minor, if they are protected, you do not want to be publishing their names.

 

[Colonial]

Precisely, not to mention the defamation suit that follows.... AFL et al once again thinking they are bigger than Ben Hur.

No names thinking they can abuse people with no repercussion.

Glad they are going after the scum.

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[CrowInFiji]

Dont agree with public shaming but do agree with lifetime bans (including from holding any type of membership) and a 5 year minimum jail sentence. All of a sudden people don't do it.

 

[StevenwellerHFC]

I don't care either way, it won't stop it.

 

[madrigal]

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words deserve five years in jail.

 

[Brutalitops]

Publically naming and shaming pretty much guarantees they wont reform or gain a new insight to other cultures. Once they become ostracized they wont take ownership of their words and/or actions and blame their victim for their excommunication. Then, alt right groups will reinforce the view that they did nothing wrong and then you have a person who susceptible to more extreme views.

Something needs to happen to Australian culture but nothing good will come from naming and shaming. Maybe 12 month ban from footy which can lifted sooner with successful participation in a racial sensitivity program.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Force them to be educated.

 

[Jobe Watson]

What a dumb idea. The morons working at the AFLPA do realise that on the internet it is possible to use fake names and pictures, yeah?

If someone says something racist on social media, let the respective platform handle it, eg. dish out bans if it violates their TOS. If you can actually verify that the person making the comments is a member of your club, then yeah, revoke their membership. Sending an internet lynch mob after people who say mean things can backfire in a spectacular way.

 

[Aramis]

No names thinking they can abuse people with no repercussion.

Glad they are going after the scum.

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Naming and shaming is basically pointless and opens up whole avenues of legal risk.

Permanent bans from attending AFL, forfeiting memberships (MCC, Club, AFL etc)... is already a substantial repercussion.

 

[Colonial]

Naming and shaming is basically pointless and opens up whole avenues of legal risk.

Permanent bans from attending AFL, forfeiting memberships (MCC, Club, AFL etc)... is already a substantial repercussion.

Nah quite happy to name and shame.



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