No Oppo Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome** Part 4

[Far Cough]

This saints roos JLT game is very painful viewing so far.

2 loser clubs there so no surprise

 

[cryptor]

How we all feeling about Burto’s comments on being traded? I wish the guy nothing but the best and was sad to see him go but at the end of the day sport is a business and the club has to do what they feel is best. I mean it’s not like we traded him against his will to St.Kilda.

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Like I said in the Burton thread, he's a young bloke with a bruised ego.

He's likely always been treated as a star all throughout his entire footballing career. One of the first picked in every school and junior footy team, I'm sure. Even when he broke his leg and faced the prospect of never playing again the talk was still about how if it hadn't have happened he could have gone within the first few picks of the draft. Wins and places for best, young player awards at Hawthorn and from the media in the league all around. Given a legendary jumper number at the club in his second season and was clearly aware he was a fan favourite.

Given all that I doubt there would have even been a modicum of thought in his mind that Hawthorn would even contemplate the idea of trading him. Yet it happened anyway. For a young guy who's likely always been praised and pumped up by everyone around him it would have been quite a shock to the system to suddenly not be the one wanted, and on top of that be bundled away with a valuable draft pick just to get a single other player in.

All things considered you really can't blame him for feeling this way. However you can blame him for how he chooses to express it. Taking a swipe at his former club/employer and saying it'll motivate him to be a better player doesn't make him look good. Keeping his mouth shut and actually becoming a better player would though.

 

[beta_condition]

I'd really like the look of Darcy Fogarty, if he can pull it all together from the glimpses he's shown he will be something special.

 

[Davo23]

Was JLT bad in previous years?

This is just rubbish, and there’s only the AWFL on the other channel.

 

[LRobbo]

Apparently the Saints sung the song after beating North Melbourne after a ‘tough week’ for the club.
What a meaningless little football club.

 

[Mississippi]

Was JLT bad in previous years?

This is just rubbish, and there’s only the AWFL on the other channel.

Bit harsh Davo?

 

[Xtreme]

Apparently the Saints sung the song after beating North Melbourne after a ‘tough week’ for the club.
What a meaningless little football club.

Are we that surprised, they did release a dvd about a meaningless H&A winning streak!!

 

[COKEandCOLA]

Apparently the Saints sung the song after beating North Melbourne after a ‘tough week’ for the club.
What a meaningless little football club.

I guess that minnows like them, would take whatever small victories they can and make the most of them.

 

[COKEandCOLA]

What a glorious game between Carlton and the injectors.

Hopefully a sign of things to come for the injectors, would love for them to finish below us again.

 

[wahawk]

Hopefully a sign of things to come for the injectors, would love for them to finish below us again.

I’d love for them to finish on the bottom ......this year, next year & every year

 

[QuietB]

How we all feeling about Burto’s comments on being traded? I wish the guy nothing but the best and was sad to see him go but at the end of the day sport is a business and the club has to do what they feel is best. I mean it’s not like we traded him against his will to St.Kilda.

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That is fair enough. What he has said is 100% true

 

[COKEandCOLA]

I’d love for them to finish on the bottom ......this year, next year & every year

Think I'd just be happy if they finished up on the bottom of the ocean.

Then again, so would the supporters of 16 other clubs as well.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Think I'd just be happy if they finished up on the bottom of the ocean.

Then again, so would the supporters of 16 other clubs as well.

Keep oceans clean, please!

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Like I said in the Burton thread, he's a young bloke with a bruised ego.

He's likely always been treated as a star all throughout his entire footballing career. One of the first picked in every school and junior footy team, I'm sure. Even when he broke his leg and faced the prospect of never playing again the talk was still about how if it hadn't have happened he could have gone within the first few picks of the draft. Wins and places for best, young player awards at Hawthorn and from the media in the league all around. Given a legendary jumper number at the club in his second season and was clearly aware he was a fan favourite.

Given all that I doubt there would have even been a modicum of thought in his mind that Hawthorn would even contemplate the idea of trading him. Yet it happened anyway. For a young guy who's likely always been praised and pumped up by everyone around him it would have been quite a shock to the system to suddenly not be the one wanted, and on top of that be bundled away with a valuable draft pick just to get a single other player in.

All things considered you really can't blame him for feeling this way. However you can blame him for how he chooses to express it. Taking a swipe at his former club/employer and saying it'll motivate him to be a better player doesn't make him look good. Keeping his mouth shut and actually becoming a better player would though.

Good points. What I would love to know from the club as why, for a bloke that 12 months ago should have won the rising star, they were prepared to trade him. What did they saee over the last 12 months that made them feel he was not going to become a star of the game...

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Good points. What I would love to know from the club as why, for a bloke that 12 months ago should have won the rising star, they were prepared to trade him. What did they saee over the last 12 months that made them feel he was not going to become a star of the game...

You answered your own question effectively. I know a lot of us in here were taken by how smooth and classy he looked and were taken early by his ability to belong at the top level, I too was excited early.
My doubts on his ceiling started to creep in on two levels, one was his endurance and recovery, he would make an effort to chase at times and then spend several minutes recovering that would put pay to any thoughts of moving anywhere near the mid six group. The other slight knock for mine was a team ethos related issue and his want or acceptance of sacrifice parts of his game for the team good.
As I have said these are just my take on things the club might have seen it just as simply, let get Chad at near all cost and nothing more, I'm sure that others on here, the club and myself would have been quite okay with him for his entire career had a known quantity in terms of talent not been gettable at the time. We all know how much our club values known talent and here in lies the answer, the professionals at the club have the best idea of the ceiling of both players.

 

[JoeHawk]

How we all feeling about Burto’s comments on being traded? I wish the guy nothing but the best and was sad to see him go but at the end of the day sport is a business and the club has to do what they feel is best. I mean it’s not like we traded him against his will to St.Kilda.

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Another Burton article......must be slow news day again. The media just keep on dredging up this story and it’s getting quite boring TBH. Won’t even bother reading cos it’ll just be the same old crap written

 

[Snakelilbandit]

You answered your own question effectively. I know a lot of us in here were taken by how smooth and classy he looked and were taken early by his ability to belong at the top level, I too was excited early.
My doubts on his ceiling started to creep in on two levels, one was his endurance and recovery, he would make an effort to chase at times and then spend several minutes recovering that would put pay to any thoughts of moving anywhere near the mid six group. The other slight knock for mine was a team ethos related issue and his want or acceptance of sacrifice parts of his game for the team good.
As I have said these are just my take on things the club might have seen it just as simply, let get Chad at near all cost and nothing more, I'm sure that others on here, the club and myself would have been quite okay with him for his entire career had a known quantity in terms of talent not been gettable at the time. We all know how much our club values known talent and here in lies the answer, the professionals at the club have the best idea of the ceiling of both players.

I reckon it was a team balance thing, we needed a classy small forward more than we needed a classy half back. Plus Hardwick and Sicily are better players than Burton.

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[Steven Tyler]

Good points. What I would love to know from the club as why, for a bloke that 12 months ago should have won the rising star, they were prepared to trade him. What did they saee over the last 12 months that made them feel he was not going to become a star of the game...

I was told Shaun Burgoyne was asked by Clarko if trading Burton was the right thing when all the Wingard talk heated up
Clarko consults the senior players from time to time
Silk said yes, Burton is soft and doesn’t put the team first, it’s all about Burton looking good
Players would consistently tell Burton where to set up during games, as he had moved out of position following the ball

Plus the fact Wingard is rated as a superstar by Burgoyne, it was a no-brainer in his eyes

 

[COKEandCOLA]

I was told Shaun Burgoyne was asked by Clarko if trading Burton was the right thing when all the Wingard talk heated up
Clarko consults the senior players from time to time
Silk said yes, Burton is soft and doesn’t put the team first, it’s all about Burton looking good
Players would consistently tell Burton where to set up during games, as he had moved out of position following the ball

Plus the fact Wingard is rated as a superstar by Burgoyne, it was a no-brainer in his eyes

This wouldn't surprise me at all.

While I was crossing my fingers and toes in hope, that he'd last until our first pick in the draft and also how impressed I was with him in his debut season.

I quickly learned two things about him.

The first was that he was a rude and arrogant flog, the second being that he was softer than butter.

There were a couple of contributing factors to the flog label, the first being that I went to the family day last year and asked him to sign a football for my partner's sister whom I'd taken with me and she'd asked multiple times, I'm not sure if he simply didn't hear her or just plain old ignored her.

When he signed it, she said thank you so much, however he didn't even acknowledge her gratitude and tossed the ball back to her.

I also took my partner down to a training session and I was wearing my guernsey with the number five on the back, I asked if he could please sign it on the number as it was an away guernsey at it would obviously show up better on the gold as opposed to the brown.

He responded with I'll sign it, where I sign it.

He then proceeded to sign on the brown guernsey.

I immediately took it off and tossed it in the bin when I got home.

In relation to the soft comment, I attend multiple games each year and watch the rest on television.

Irregardless of how I was watching the game, he shirked anything that resembled a contest and would rarely give chase to an opposition player.

While I hope that he does well at Port due to being lucky to play at all given his pre draft injury, I have no regrets and would take Wingard without a doubt.

The kid definitely has more than his game to work on, that's for sure.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Good points. What I would love to know from the club as why, for a bloke that 12 months ago should have won the rising star, they were prepared to trade him. What did they saee over the last 12 months that made them feel he was not going to become a star of the game...

Chad Wingard playing midfield.

 

[Off The Couch]

If he was a required player he would still be at the hawks

The fact he isn’t should be the end of the discussion

He can sulk all he likes

According to some he had the option to stay once the situation of how it had been handled had been explained to him, but he was reactive, spat the dummy and wasn’t in the listening mood

it only reinforces why he is no longer at the club and the right decision was made.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Sooo... Say we've got a chance to get a 24 year-old Dangerfield at the expense of Morrison. Does that make Morrison the Devil?

 

[A Cut Above]

Like I said in the Burton thread, he's a young bloke with a bruised ego.

He's likely always been treated as a star all throughout his entire footballing career. One of the first picked in every school and junior footy team, I'm sure. Even when he broke his leg and faced the prospect of never playing again the talk was still about how if it hadn't have happened he could have gone within the first few picks of the draft. Wins and places for best, young player awards at Hawthorn and from the media in the league all around. Given a legendary jumper number at the club in his second season and was clearly aware he was a fan favourite.

Given all that I doubt there would have even been a modicum of thought in his mind that Hawthorn would even contemplate the idea of trading him. Yet it happened anyway. For a young guy who's likely always been praised and pumped up by everyone around him it would have been quite a shock to the system to suddenly not be the one wanted, and on top of that be bundled away with a valuable draft pick just to get a single other player in.

All things considered you really can't blame him for feeling this way. However you can blame him for how he chooses to express it. Taking a swipe at his former club/employer and saying it'll motivate him to be a better player doesn't make him look good. Keeping his mouth shut and actually becoming a better player would though.

Burton who? I've moved on and suggest others do the same.

 

[COKEandCOLA]

Sooo... Say we've got a chance to get a 24 year-old Dangerfield at the expense of Morrison. Does that make Morrison the Devil?

Only if Morrison started bad mouthing us in the press.

Also, why would we want Dangerfield, when we already have his superior in Tom Mitchell?

 

[PT Bar None]

I wish the young chap well.

Certainly curious to see how how career plays out from here. As I do with all ex-Hawks